DEATH CALLED ON THE PHONE
THE DREAM AND THE REALITY
THE DEATH OF THE POPE?
compiled by Dee Finney
|9-26-02 - 6:25 a.m. DEATH CALLED ON THE PHONE
I was laying in bed in 1/2 twilight sleep, just waking up from a dream, but still dreaming. The phone rang in the dream, so I picked it up and said, "Hello!"
The voice on the other end of the line just chuckled in a male low-pitched voice. I recognized the voice of my ex-husband, a staunch Catholic most of his life. Actually it was a poor imitation of his voice, but I knew who it was by the sound of it.
He chuckled again and said, "It's happened again!"
I said, "What's happened again?"
He said, "He's dead!" and he said it in a way that made it sound like he was amused by that fact.
I said, "Who is dead?" thinking it was someone in his family.
He said, "It happened 20 days ago!"
That made me feel relieved that I didn't have to feel obligated to go to the funeral, but again I asked, "Who died?"
Rather than giving me the person's name, he answered, "It happened in the Ambassador church!"
Again I asked, "Who died?" but I could tell the line was silent and cut and there would be no answer forthcoming.
|My first thought - after dismissing that I would dream of my ex-husband
calling me on the phone to tell me of a death 20 days earlier, that the Pope
had died and nobody was aware of that fact. I had been seeing the frail
Pope on TV for months, wondering why the doctors didn't do something to prop
up his head, thinking how much pain he must be in. Though he had been
traveling, when he arrived at various places, they didn't make him walk far
- he rode in various kinds of Pope-mobiles wherever he needed to go. I couldn't
think when was the last time I had seen him outside of Youth Day in Canada.
I knew he had gone home to Poland, figuring that would be the last
time he would make that journey. Every day I really expected to hear
of his death, but hadn't so far. That would be the biggest funeral ever on
TV, followed by the election of a new Pope which might likely be an African
black man or a Mexican man
But the dream specified the words, "It happened again!" Nobody dies twice. But it might be designate the way in which a person died - like assassination or mysterious death.
That set me off on a search of the internet to see what the Pope's schedule was on the day in question (September 6, 2002) and I found some very interesting news articles about it.
I had this dream in 1997:
10-19-97 VISION - I was seeing the College of Cardinals meeting. They were all standing up in a tier of three high and were electing a new Pope. They were all wearing mitered hats and red robes.
Pope John Paul II
Born: May 18, 1920
When Pope John Paul died in September 1978, just 34 days into his reign, Wojtyla was among the candidates to succeed him. The Sacred College of Cardinals chose him on the eighth round of balloting, on October 16, 1978. Aged 58 at the time, he was the youngest pope in 132 years.
Karol Josef Wojtyl became Pope John Paul II on October 16, 1978. The first Polish Pope, John Paul II has acted to maintain a the distinct characteristics of the Roman Catholic Church by resisting changes in church policy and maintaining discipline. He has also acted as a statesman urging peaceful solutiuons to world crises. He is the most traveled pope, visiting 50 countries on 6 continents.
There have been two assassination attempts against Pope John Paul II. In the first, he was shot by Mehmet Ali Agca in St. Peter's Square on May 13, 1981. The second attempt, in 1982, did not injure him.
Over the last 10 years, John Paul II has suffered a number of serious
health problems. He had a colon tumour removed in 1992, and broke his femur
two years later. Now, in addition to Parkinsons disease, he has an
arthritic right knee. Because public appearances have become increasingly
arduous, he recently curtailed his usual participation in Holy Week and Easter
|Friday, March 29, 2002
Frail pope struggles through Holy Week services
By CANDICE HUGHES
Associated Press Writer
VATICAN CITY -- A frail Pope John Paul II struggled through Holy Thursday ceremonies in St. Peter's Basilica, twice ceding his place at the ornate main altar to other clerics.
It was the second time in less than a week that John Paul has let someone take his place in a major Holy Week ceremony.
The pontiff, who will be 82 years old in May and suffers from symptoms of Parkinson's, had a tough schedule Thursday, a Mass in the morning and another one in late afternoon.
Twice he was wheeled down the long main aisle of St. Peter's, standing on his special cart. And twice, someone else took his place at the altar.
John Paul read his homily and recited or chanted several prayers at each service seated in a white throne with golden arms and wearing heavy gold-trimmed vestments.
During the afternoon ceremony, John Paul let Cardinal Angelo Sodano and Cardinal Roger Etchegaray perform the ritual washing and kissing of the feet of priests, a ritual symbolizing humility, the first time he has not done so since becoming pope in 1978.
Just a year ago, the pope was able to move down a line of a dozen seated, white-robed priests, pouring water on each man's right foot from a golden pitcher, wiping them dry and bringing the feet to his lips.
The New Testament says Jesus washed the feet of his 12 disciples when they ate one last meal together on the day before he was crucified.
During the morning Mass, at which priests renew their vows, Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos took the pontiff's place at the main altar.
Just four days earlier, in another break with his traditions, John Paul ceded his place at the altar for Palm Sunday Mass. The ceremony opens Holy Week, the most important stretch on the Church calendar.
Holy Week is a grueling time for John Paul, with a packed schedule of public appearances. He is scheduled to perform a Good Friday service at the Colosseum, a vigil service on Saturday night and an Easter Mass in St. Peter's Square on Sunday.
The Good Friday procession, which symbolizes Jesus' path to his crucifixion, has been modified in deference to John Paul's age and health. He used to carry a wooden cross for the entire half-mile procession, but stopped last year.
Symptoms of Parkinson's were evident Thursday. The pope's hands trembled badly as he clasped them, and his speech was often slurred. He also seemed unsure of his balance, gripping the rail of his cart when raising his hand in blessing.
The Vatican hasn't mentioned the pope's health during Holy Week, but said Feb. 23 that he had a joint disease, arthrosis, in one of his knees. He has since canceled a number of public appearances.
Thursday's ceremonies, which centered on priests and their vows, were especially poignant because of the sex abuse scandals rocking the church in the United States and elsewhere.
John Paul broke his silence on the scandals last week, saying they had cast a ''dark shadow of suspicion'' on other, honorable priests.
On Thursday morning, he invited prayers for ''our brothers who didn't meet their commitments that came with priestly ordination or who are going through a period of difficulty and crisis.'' While thanking God for the gift of the priesthood, John Paul said, ''we cannot help but confess our infidelities.''
Thursday morning Mass had just ended when the latest high-level resignation came -- that of the archbishop of Poznan in John Paul's native Poland over allegations he had made sexual advances on young clerics.
Without comment, the Vatican said the pope had accepted the resignation of Archbishop Juliusz Paetz, his appointee and longtime acquaintance, and named a successor.
|Posted on Sat, Jun. 29, 2002
Report: Pope will not retire
By NICOLE WINFIELD
VATICAN CITY - The Vatican specialist who collaborated with Pope John Paul II on the best-selling book "Crossing the Threshold of Hope" says the pontiff has firmly decided not to retire.
In a front-page article Saturday in the Milan daily Corriere della Sera, Vittorio Messori quoted what he said he had deduced from the pope's thoughts on the subject:
"The force to continue is not my problem but that of Christ, who wanted to call me, though unworthy, to be his vicar on Earth. In His mysterious design, He has brought me here. And it will be He who decides my fate."
Messori did not say how he had made the deductions or how he had learned what the pope thought. He said, however, that his information on the subject was recent and without doubt.
The pope himself referred indirectly to the issue Saturday in a homily marking the feast day of St. Peter and Paul.
"Like them, we are invited to follow an itinerary of conversion and love with Christ," the pontiff said. "Isn't it He who has called us? Isn't it always He who we must announce with consistency and fidelity?"
A Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Ciro Benedettini, said the Vatican had no specific comment on the Corriere report but added it was not particularly new. Even before Saturday, the pope has on various occasions said it was for God to decide when his work was finished, Rev. Benedettini said.
The article, however, was published as new questions arose about the pope's health and rumors circulated he might use a trip to his native Poland in mid-August to announce his retirement.
John Paul turned 82 in May and has appeared increasingly frail in the last several months, suffering from the symptoms of Parkinson's disease as well as hip and knee ailments.
He has cut back on participation in long, ceremonial Masses and uses a chariot-like cart to get around when he does celebrate them. His speech is slurred, often to the point of incomprehension and he frequently appears out of breath.
As his 82nd birthday approached, questions about his future heightened, with a leading cardinal and possible successor, Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga of Honduras, saying he thought John Paul "would have the courage" to resign if poor health left him unable to carry out his ministry.
The Vatican immediately dismissed such suggestions - as it has in the past when they have surfaced - and John Paul himself that same week asked for prayers and support to continue his ministry.
Vatican officials have said whatever his physical limitations, the pontiff's mind is still sharp.
And the pope continues to travel: He has a three-nation trip planned starting July 23 - his 97th foreign visit - to preside over the Roman Catholic Church's World Youth Day celebrations in Toronto. He is then to travel onto Mexico and Guatemala.
Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls had suggested, while the pope was in Bulgaria last month, that the pontiff might drop the stops in Guatemala and Mexico for health reasons.
However, the Vatican later announced that the trips would go ahead as planned.
There is no provision in church law for removing an incapacitated pope, but it does allow popes to resign.
There is precedent - Pope Celestine V, who abdicated in 1294. He spent the last two years of his life in confinement because his successor feared he could become the rallying point for a schism.
|July 24, 2002 8:45 a.m.
Pope John Paul II in Canada.
No one could have failed to have been moved first to shock, perhaps pity, then to admiration by the sight of the frail and stooped Pope John Paul II descending under his own power from the papal plane in Toronto yesterday. On his previous pilgrimage, he had to be taken off the aircraft by an elevator device, the 82-year-old pontiff being too weak to walk. But arriving in Canada, John Paul showed himself stronger than he has been in months (at least in public), and in his welcoming remarks, spoke with a much clearer and firmer voice than he has used of late. The pontiff's flesh is weak, but the spirit is clearly willing and sometimes it conquers.
Well, he has always said that he was going to keep going till the very last. Is this foolish? Maybe. No one could begrudge the great man, who has just embarked on his 97th pilgrimage abroad, a well-deserved rest. Admittedly, it's a sad day when the barest performance minimum ("He's walking! He's talking!") is seen as an unexpected triumph. Nevertheless, the Roman Catholic Church's supreme pastor is giving the last full measure of devotion to his Church and his calling, turning himself into a living icon representing the virtue of suffering for the sake of others. Whatever one's criticism of his pontificate, it is impossible not to be moved by his enduring sense of mission.
Why does he do it? I once spent an hour standing ten feet from him in a Jerusalem courtyard, as he waited in an SUV to leave for the airport. I studied his face, especially his hooded, fathomless eyes. He seemed as old as the world, lost in a mystical cloud of prayer and contemplation. Or maybe he was just tired. Nevertheless, in that moment I thought of Dostoevsky's holy monk Elder Zosima, about whom Alexei Karamazov said, "He is a saint, and his heart knows the secret of regeneration for all, the power that will finally establish the rule of truth on earth." I choose to think that's why he carries on, despite it all.
If the glory days of this papacy have faded into a troubled twilight, so, it seems, has World Youth Day. There are dramatically fewer young people to greet the pope in Toronto than there have been in 18 previous World Youth Days. Organizers expect the numbers of youth pilgrims not to exceed 200,000 still the size of a small city, but half a million less than was predicted two years ago, when Toronto was chosen as the site for this year's event.
The sex-abuse scandal in the American branch of the Church may have something to do with the depressed numbers (still, more than one out of every four registered participants comes from the United States). There are several more likely explanations, however, offered by World Youth Day officials and others.
For one, holding the event in Canada has proven problematic. The Catholic Church there, like most Canadian churches, has been in steep decline, and the government is aggressively secular. The Canadian bishops are weak and ineffectual, and the Catholic Church itself has been weakened by its own child sex-abuse scandals in years past. Canada has a relatively small population spread out across a continent, making the ratio of host-country participants small. And, the Canadian government, citing immigration concerns, denied an unusual number of visa requests.
Furthermore, WYD officials reportedly discouraged youth under 16 from coming, in an attempt to return the annual event to its original vision, which was to be a meeting for older teenagers and young adults. Younger Catholics swamped the 1993 WYD in Denver, boosting its attendance numbers considerably.
Given the precarious state of the pope's health, there was no way to guarantee that John Paul would be present at the event, which surely kept a number of pilgrims who might otherwise have gone from spending the money for the trip.
Finally, there's no getting around the effect of September 11. Given the world situation, would you be willing to send your children to another country, one where Islamic radicals are known to be active, to attend a large, explicitly Christian public event that would present a near-irresistible target for Muslim terrorists?
Along those lines, it has to be counted a loss to American Catholics, and to America itself, that John Paul did not schedule a visit to Ground Zero in New York as part of this North American pilgrimage, which will take him to Mexico and Guatemala as well. There was speculation last fall that the pontiff would stop at the disaster site to pray, but Vatican officials insist that was never considered.
"There were some people in New York who hoped that he would come simply to visit or pray at the World Trade Center, but there's no way he can just skip in and skip out," the Jesuit father Thomas J. Reese told the Associated Press. "If he comes to New York, he has to meet with the president, meet the governor, go to the United Nations, and lead a big mass."
Really? President Bush, Governor Pataki, and Mayor Bloomberg could have arranged to meet him there, pray with him, and even allow the pontiff to celebrate an onsite mass for the families of the dead, if the pope so chose. No one would have expected the frail pontiff to undertake a full schedule in New York.
The missed opportunity for evangelical witness almost breaks one's heart. The sight of this brave and tireless successor of St. Peter, standing once again at a site of one of history's most notorious mass murders and prophetically preaching the gospel of life to a world hell-bent for death, would have been breathtaking the world over. It is hard to believe that John Paul, the old actor who has always shown a profound appreciation for the power of theatricality, didn't understand this.
John Paul need not have said much about the scandal had he come here, but anything he would have said, no matter how brief, indicating that he knows how much faithful American Catholics are suffering these days-especially the youth who have suffered directly and encouraging them to remain steadfast in the faith, would have been like balm in Gilead.
Well, however disappointing for us Americans, that may be expecting too much from a man who has already given more than anyone can reasonably have expected from him. His surprising liveliness upon arriving in Canada surely has something to do with the well-known fact that John Paul loves young people, and draws strength from their presence. Watching televised images of that dear old soul reaching out with trembling hands to draw an adoring 10-year-old girl in for a kiss on the cheek (she had said to him, "I love you"), I thought of old Zosima again, saying to his followers, "I shall not die before enjoying one more talk with you, my dear ones, before once more looking at your dear faces and once more pouring out my soul to you."
by Rod Dreher
|Pope plans Latin visit following Youth Day
By Larry Witham
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
A frail Pope John Paul II today arrives in Toronto for World Youth Day, the start of an 11-day tour that will fly over the United States to Guatemala and Mexico for local saints' canonization ceremonies.
Three saints will be canonized in Guatemala City and Mexico City at the end of the tour, which marks John Paul's 97th foreign journey. All told, he has elevated 462 persons to sainthood since 1978.
The dramatic trip will highlight as at past youth events in Colorado and Italy the vitality of church youth, but it will also showcase the pope's failing health and the shadow of the priest sex-abuse scandal in the American church.
Archbishop Anthony G. Meagher, president of World Youth Day, said the pope's trip shows "the providence of God" after two traumas: the terrorism of September 11 and the "public shame" of the scandal.
Vatican officials say the pope has no plans to cross into U.S. territory 30 miles away to comment on the scandal. "I go to pray with them, be joyful and have together with them an enriching experience of faith," the pope said before his trip.
John Paul, 82, who once bounded from airplanes to kiss the earth, now trembles from Parkinson's and cannot walk unassisted. Often, others must complete the reading of his messages.
Still, he has galvanized Toronto with the largest public event in the city's history despite lower turnout than expected.
"What started off at a slow pace has picked up tremendously in the past two months," the Rev. Peter Fleming of St. Joseph's Church in Toronto said in a telephone interview yesterday. "Young people are very resilient and enthusiastic and good at mingling."
He said this youthful chemistry can anchor the faith and morals of the church in young people for a lifetime and do it with an international flair.
His church, for example, will host 225 young "pilgrims" from France and West Africa for the six days of outdoor music, devotions, prayers and a Mass and vigil with John Paul on Sunday.
But the scandals have undermined some high estimates of the turnout and the terrorism put Canadian authorities on alert for visa problems.
Canada's Department of Citizenship and Immigration has denied visas to 6,000 foreign registrants, even though it has waived the $50 application fee and added staff to cope with the volume of applications.
To avoid an influx of people from poor countries, the visa process required that applicants "show they qualify, that they're a genuine visitor, and not seeking a permanent move," an official said.
In Boston over the weekend, Voice of the Faithful, a U.S. group that formed over the abuse crisis, held a protest rally of 4,000 and said the pope should address the topic on North American soil.
"I don't believe that the scope of the crisis in the United States has been conveyed to the pope, or he would slip over the border and say something about this," spokesman Mike Emerton said yesterday.
A group of Catholics from Quebec who have charged sexual abuse by church leaders said they will show up to demonstrate in Toronto, where the pope once visited briefly in 1984.
According to reports, Vatican officials say a papal schedule is hard to alter and that America should not demand all the attention, since it holds just 60 million of the 1 billion world Catholics.
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|Pope's health openly debated
July 26, 2002
Leaders worry ailing pontiff will leave church in crisis.
By Richard Boudreaux / Los Angeles Times
Gregorio Borgia / Associated Press
Pope John Paul II blesses the faithful during Sunday's Angelus prayer in his summer home in Castelgandolfo, southeast of Rome.
VATICAN CITY -- In plain sight of a global audience, Pope John Paul II has endured an assassin's bullets, a broken hip, four operations, an arthritic knee, the ravages of old age and the debilitating, immobilizing symptoms of Parkinson's disease.
Now, as he prepares for a trip this week to the Americas, the most public of pontiffs is beset by an indignity no predecessor has had to face: increasingly open debate in the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church over whether he should quit because of ill health.
The worry is not so much that he will suddenly die, but rather that he will become senile or be left in a coma, throwing the church into a leadership crisis. Under Catholic canon law, a pope may resign but cannot be retired against his will, even if he is mentally unfit to rule.
Concern has grown in the last 10 months as Parkinson's, a neurological disorder first diagnosed in John Paul a decade ago, began to steal the pope's already quavering voice. John Paul, 82, often looks like a spectator to his own pontificate, sitting passively as aides read homilies that he starts but cannot finish.
No one in the Vatican has dared to call publicly for the pope's abdication.
But German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger broke a taboo in May, telling reporters he believed the pope would resign if his condition got so bad that he felt incapable of carrying on in his job. Ratzinger, the Vatican's top theologian, is one of the pope's most powerful aides, and his remarks were echoed by a leading Latin American cardinal, Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga of Honduras.
John Paul, who trembles badly despite medication and who can no longer walk unassisted, has replied emphatically that he has no intention of stepping down. No pope has done so since 1294. On Tuesday, he begins a 10-day journey to Canada, Guatemala and Mexico -- his latest display of will to soldier on.
"I feel every day that my ministry is sustained by the incessant prayer of the people of God, of so many people ... who offer their prayers for the pope," the pontiff said in June. "In moments of great difficulty and suffering, this spiritual strength is an immense help and an intimate consolation."
Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls acknowledges that the pope "is operating under limitations that are visible to all" but insists that John Paul's memory, sense of humor and ability to plan "are all intact."
|Pope travels on despite frailty
Frank Bruni The New York Times Monday, July 29, 2002
TORONTO It was once very different. Pope John Paul II, who traversed the globe with a frequency and zest unlike any of his predecessors, would pack in three or four major events on each day of a foreign trip. His smiles would be constant, and his speeches would go on and on, ambitious in their scope and unwavering in their delivery.
But this week, during the pope's first visit to North America in more than three years, he spent more time in seclusion than in public view, and his rare, painstakingly choreographed appearances - which averaged only one a day - showed why.
Movement was an effort. Words were a struggle. What Americans observed more immediately than ever before was a pope so physically diminished that the church officials watching him grew excited over the smallest glimmers of vigor: an assisted walk down the stairs of his plane, a few syllables enunciated with more volume than others, a fleeting grin on several occasions when applause washed over him.
"You have the idea," said the pope's spokesman, Joaquin Navarro-Valls, "that what you see there is a soul leading a body - a soul pulling a body."
It has now reached the point where that image - inspiring to some observers, discomfiting to others - largely defines John Paul II's papacy and overshadows other aspects.
He slowly lifts his right hand to his brow, and the people watching him worry: Is it a gesture of pain? Or is he merely trying to prop up his head and keep his face upright?
He ends a speech with a spontaneous sentence that does not make clear sense, as he did Thursday night, and his listeners wonder: Is he simply falling prey to the kind of flub that bedevils many an orator, or is it something more?
For some Catholics, the overarching question is whether the 82-year-old pope remains fit enough to handle the challenges that confront him, including the rash of reports of child sexual abuse by priests that have outraged worshipers in a number of countries.
"I admire his courage and his determination, but I think it might be better for all concerned if he stepped down," said the Reverend Andrew Greeley, a prominent Catholic sociologist and writer in the United States.
"You can't be as vigorous as a pope needs to be right now when you're hung up with arthritis and Parkinson's disease and the remnants of an assassination attempt," Greeley said.
The child sexual abuse problem has received especially intense scrutiny in the United States, plunging the American church into what some prominent Catholics call one of its greatest crises. But the pope, just a few dozen miles from the U.S. border for the last five days, is scheduled to fly over the country Monday on his way to Guatemala and then Mexico for canonization ceremonies.
The United States was never part of his plans for this trip, which centered on the Roman Catholic Church's World Youth Day, a weeklong religious jubilee that was held in Toronto this year.
Vatican officials and experts said that the United States was not included on the pope's itinerary for many reasons, including a lingering belief at the Holy See that the dimensions of the sexual abuse problem have been exaggerated.
But they said that the pope's health was also a consideration, shaping and limiting much of what he does or does not do these days.
That was certainly true in Toronto, where he spent most of his first four days at a church retreat on an island north of the city. Activities on his schedule that might once have been open to reporters, like a meeting Saturday with Prime Minister Jean Chretien, were not.
His one public appearance was at a prayer vigil Saturday night with an enormous audience of adoring Catholics, to whom he described the Sept. 11 destruction of the World Trade Center as "an image that is a sort of icon of a world in which hostility and hatred seem to prevail."
In Rome, too, the routines have changed. According to Vatican officials, he often receives foreign bishops in groups of five, instead of seeing them one-on-one as he did in the past. And he often forgoes his previous practice of reading a speech to them, instead distributing written copies. But people who have spent time with the pope say that for all his physical difficulties, he remains mentally acute.
Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga of Honduras, who is often mentioned as a possible successor, said Friday that the pope "is showing how you can fulfill a mission to the very end, with courage and with love."
So he presses on - despite knees that do not carry him well, despite the damage done two decades ago by a would-be assassin's bullet. In August, he is scheduled to visit his native Poland. Vatican officials have even floated the possibility of a trip in January to the Philippines. It would be a long, arduous journey. But, said Navarro-Valls, "He wants to go."
Abuse is source of 'shame'
The pope said Sunday that sexual abuse of children by priests was a source of shame and sadness to Catholics, and asked church members to rally behind the "vast majority" of virtuous clerics, Reuters reported from Toronto.
The comments, which the pope made during an outdoor Mass to about 800,000 young Roman Catholics, were believed to be his first in public since the damaging scandal broke in January, although he has addressed the issue in documents and in meetings with church leaders.
"The harm done by some priests and religious to the young and vulnerable fills us all with a deep sense of sadness and shame," the pope said during a Mass that concluded World Youth Day.
He spoke as news emerged that two New Jersey priests had been arrested in Montreal earlier this month on charges they solicited homosexual sex from minors. Canadian newspapers reported the two were found during a police operation to break up a child prostitution ring. On Monday he leaves for Guatemala and then Mexico
|Aug. 2, 2002,
Pope's long trek comes to an end
2 martyred Indians beatified before pontiff leaves for home
By RICHARD VARA
Copyright 2002 Houston Chronicle Religion Editor
MEXICO CITY -- Pope John Paul II bade an emotional adios to Mexico on Thursday after honoring two Indians martyred 300 years ago.
"As the popular song says, 'Me voy, pero no me voy,' " the pope told a crowd of 10,000 at the Basilica of the Virgin of Guadalupe. "I'm going, but I'm not going. I am leaving, but my heart remains."
Shouts of "¡Que se quede!" or "Stay!" echoed through the basilica before a band began to play Las Golondrinas, a popular farewell song.
The fervent scene culminated a two-hour service in which the pope beatified Juan Bautista and Jacinto de los Angeles to the rousing cheers of Indians from Oaxaca, the home state of the martyrs. Beatification is the last step before possible sainthood in the Roman Catholic Church.
Thursday's Mass continued the theme of Indian equality that John Paul began preaching Tuesday in Guatemala and repeated Wednesday during the canonization of Juan Diego Cuauhtlatoatzin, Mexico's first Indian saint. But instead of an audience dominated by government leaders and people in suits, at least one-third of Thursday's predominantly working-class crowd were indigenous people from across the country: Mazatecos, Maya, Mixtecos, Tecuates, Treques and Zapotecans in native attire.
Tenor Ramon Vargas and an orchestra gave way Thursday to a Oaxacan banda de viento playing music popular in the region.
Seven Indian languages were spoken in the beatification service, which was filled with Indian symbolism. The Gospel was read in Zapotecan, the language of the two martyrs.
Bautista and de los Angeles were killed by a mob of Zapotecans who were upset that the pair had denounced them to church authorities for pagan worship.
The two men were acting as fiscales, laymen who were church caretakers and evangelists. In September 1700, they learned a rite of idolatry would take place. The ceremony was raided that night, and the next day angry villagers seized the two men and beat them with clubs. "Their chests were cut open and their hearts were taken out and given to the dogs," according to a Vatican biography.
John Paul, who wore an embroidered Indian stole, described the martyrs as "humble and simple men" who "gave their lives to defend the faith with the power of the Holy Spirit."
"As they were being tortured, they were invited to renounce their Catholic faith and save themselves," the pope said in his homily. "But they answered bravely: `Once we have professed baptism, we shall always follow the true religion.' "
When the pope declared the duo as "blessed," or beatified, the basilica erupted in cheers. Nine Mazatecans with large plumed headdresses performed the Dance of the Feathers, their leaps and strides matching the colorful performance of the Aztec dancers at the canonization of St. Juan Diego.
Indian women bearing smoking pots of incense brushed branches of herbs on the pontiff, Cardinal Norberto Rivera Carrera and other prelates in a limpia ceremony. The common Indian blessing is believed to cure spiritual and physical ailments.
John Paul, who appeared energized by the festive crowd, said Bautista and de los Angeles should "motivate the Indians of today to appreciate their cultures and languages, above all, their dignity as sons of God that others should respect within the context of the Mexican nation."
The Rev. Emilio Alonso Antonio, a priest and Zapotecan from Oaxaca, said he and his group of 50 arrived at 2 a.m. for the basilica services both days.
"We are the same nation as the martyrs," Antonio said. "For us as Christians, it is a blessing that some from our community reach the altars (to be venerated).
"This is an opportunity for Indians to realize the dignity of our personhood," Antonio said. "This will help the relations between the government and the Indian communities. In general, it will help Mexican society to value the indigenous."
Fellow Zapotecan Victoria Rassado Sanchez, attired in Indian dress and wearing ribbons in her braids, said the canonization and beatification of the three Indians would provide a greater focus on the indigenous of Mexico.
Rassado said the pope moved her to tears when he said he was departing but leaving his heart behind. "The condition in which we see him is that he is tired, and the truth is that we will not see him again," she said.
The frail 82-year-old pope did not make a final speech at Mexico City's airport before leaving for Rome. As John Paul's plane taxied toward the runway, Mexican President Vicente Fox summed up the pontiff's visit for a national television audience.
"This visit leaves us with commitments to work together for the poor, for those left behind, for those excluded from development," Fox told the largely well-heeled crowd who had gathered at the airport's presidential terminal to see the pope off. "It also left us with a renewed commitment to the indigenous communities."
"Now," Fox said, "back to work."
The emotion of the day was heightened by the realization that John Paul's fifth visit to Mexico could be his last. His daily routes from the apostolic nunciature to the basilica attracted millions of people hoping to catch a glimpse of their revered holy father in his popemobile.
Tens of thousands stood four and five deep along the avenue near the papal ambassador's house Thursday morning.
Many had arrived before sunrise to be in place for the pope's 9:30 a.m. departure for the basilica. As the hour approached, latecomers rushed down a blocked-off avenue to get in place. Men in suits and women in high heels ran awkwardly for blocks, some giggling with excitement.
John Paul's three-day visit to Mexico followed an overnight stop in Guatemala, where he canonized Central America's first saint, and six days in Canada, where he attended World Youth Day festivities.
In Canada, he spoke publicly for the first time about the sexual abuse scandal involving U.S. priests, calling the crimes and misdeeds of some priests a source of "shame" and urging young Catholics not to lose faith.
Although plagued by Parkinson's disease and arthritis and at times needing help to stand, the most-traveled pontiff in history won't rest long when he returns to Italy. He is scheduled to visit his native Poland later this month.
Mexico City Bureau Chief Dudley Althaus contributed to this story.
|The Pope visits Poland, August, 2002|
ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS ON POPE PAUL II
Papal Assassination: Did Agca Act Alone?
NEW YORK TIMES BOOK REVIEW
January 15, 1984
by Edward Jay Epstein
0n May 13,1981, Mehmet Ali Agca, an escaped murderer from Turkey, raised a pistol above his head in the piazza in front of St. Peter's Basilica in Vatican City and shot and wounded Pope John Paul 11. Captured at the scene by Italian police, he freely admitted firing the shots and was tried and sentenced to life imprisonment. Mr. Agca had previously confessed to the political assassination of a well-known newspaper editor in Istanbul and in February 1979 he had threatened in a letter to kill Pope John Paul II, whom he accused of being "the Commander of the Crusades" against Islam. So, investigating agencies and the media quickly concluded that he acted as a lone fanatic when he shot the Pope.
Now two well-documented books strongly dispute this: conclusion. Paul Henze's "Plot to Kill the Pope" and Claire Sterling's "Time of the Assassins" are both based on extraordinary investigations into Balkan intrigues. They both relentlessly trace the assassin's trail to Rome, beginning with his dramatic escape from prison in Turkey in November 1979, and following his passage through Iran,, Bulgaria and Germany. They give similar descriptions of the final arrangements for the assassination, saying that Mr. Agca was picked up at 3 P.M. that day by a Bulgarian, intelligence officer and airline official named Sergei Antonov who was accompanied by two Bulgarian diplomats. They handed him a gun and drove him to St. Peter's Square to shoot the Pope. Both authors reach the same conclusion - the papal assassination had been organized and controlled by the Bulgarian secret service on behalf of the Soviet Union's security agency, the K.G.B., and Mr. Agca merely served as a paid gunman.
These books also proceed from a common origin, the Reader's Digest. Mr.. Henze, who was the Central Intelligence Agency station chief in Turkey from 1974 to 1977, was hired in the summer of 1981 by the Reader's Digest to investigate Mr. Agca's background in Turkey and his connections to Bulgaria. After Mr. Henze had completed his original investigation, Mrs. Sterling was retained by the Reader's Digest to prepare a magazine article about Mr. Agca. She then conducted her own inquiry, drawing on high-level sources in Italian intelligence she had used for her last book, "The Terror Network." Her article, published in September 1982, reopened a debate in the media about whether Mr. Agca really did act alone.
Mr. Henze continued to fuel the controversy by selling his research on the Bulgarian connection to other news organizations, including NBC (which broadcast its own White Paper on the -plot in September 1982) and Newsweek. He made it available later to The New York Times for a fee., He also wrote articles under his own name in The Christian Science Monitor and Encounter. Both Mr. Henze and Mrs. Sterling then expanded their investigations into these two books. In her autobiographical account, Mrs. Sterling focuses on press and government reactions to her disclosures about the, assassination attempt. Mr. Henze writes about the wider geopolitical context and motivation of the assassination attempt.
Although evidence, unlike acts of faith, is contingent on external circumstances, Mrs. Sterling and Mr. Henze both hold their evidence to be incontrovertible, Mrs. Sterling insists that the "logic is inescapable," that Mr. Agca had "come to Rome as a professional hit man, hired by 'a Bulgarian spy ring," and Mr. Henze places the existence of the plot "beyond debate."
Although they both rely on the Turkish journalist Ugur Mumcu's investigation and into the Bulgarian connection and repeatedly cite him as a source, they do not even contend with the very different answer he arrives at based on very much the same evidence. Mr. Mumcu concludes in his book, "Agca Dosyasi," that Mr. Agca attempted the assassination not on behalf of the Bulgarians or the K. G.B. but for a neofascist Turkish terrorist organization called "The Grey Wolves" (whose members literally howl like a wolf pack). Mrs. Sterling does not even mention his conclusion, or his book about Mr. Agca, while Mr. Henze pre-emptively dismisses the book on the grounds that Mr. Mumcu is a "leftist. "
Mrs. Sterling and Mr. Henze base their theory that the Bulgarians arranged the assassination attempt on three main findings. First, they show that Mr. Agca received considerable assistance from Turkish fugitives for many months after he escaped from the Turkish prison where he had been confined in 1979 - including money, a faked passport, hideouts, contacts and the weapon to use against the Pope. Then they establish that the immediate source of this support was a group of Turkish arms smugglers based in Bulgaria. Finally, they demonstrate that these Turkish smugglers had close liaisons with the Bulgarian secret service.
To be sure, they support these findings with convincing arguments and evidence. Even if these three layers of conspiratorial connections are fully accepted, however, they do not prove the case these authors are trying to make. Organizations may support an individual without necessarily controlling his actions. For example, because Lee Harvey Oswald was employed by the Texas Book Depository, which, in turn, was financed by the State of Texas, of which John Connally was Governor, it would be absurd to draw the conclusion that Oswald was acting on behalf of Governor Connally (who himself was shot) in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Control cannot simply be deduced from the existence of a web of indirect liaisons. To substantiate their theory, Mrs. Sterling and Mr. Henze would have to show not merely that the Bulgarian secret service was in contact with Turkish organizations that dealt with Mr. Agca but that it purposefully controlled him, directly or through intermediaries, when he shot the Pope.
The conflicting and confessions made by Agca since he was captured by Italian police have little probative value here. As Mrs. Sterling herself acknowledges, Mr. Agca is a "practiced liar." After he had confessed on television to murdering Abdi Ipekci, the editor of the newspaper Milliyet, in Istanbul in 1979, he repeatedly changed his story to implicate different groups and accommodate his interrogators. In Rome two years later, he first claimed that he had acted completely alone against the Pope. Then he named various Turkish co-conspirators but subsequently admitted they were fabrications. Eventually, after being shown photographs of suspected Bulgarian intelligence agents, he identified some as his case officers, including Mr. Antonov. During different stages of his interrogation, he also claimed that he had been on missions to assassinate Queen Elizabeth of England; Habib Bourguiba, the President of Tunisia; Dom Mintoff, the Prime Minister of Malta; Simone Weil, the President of the Council of Europe, and the Polish Solidarity leader Lech Walesa - before the Pope was chosen as his target. Since Mr. Agca himself is not credible as a witness, his tangle of claims can only be sorted out - if at all - on the basis of external evidence.
Certainly, there are a number of ways in which the Sterling-Henze theory of Bulgarian control could be substantiated by believable evidence. Those named by Mr. Agca, such as Antonov, might confess provide details corroborating Agca's charges. This seems unlikely, however, since these individuals have now all returned to Bulgaria. Or the Italian investigating magistrate, Judge Ilario Martella, could find new evidence in secret testimony. But, barring such developments, there is no reason to believe that Agca was under Bulgarian control at the time of the assassination. If he had help, and there is evidence that he did, Mr. Mumcu's evidence on which both authors' factually relied, points directly to Agca's own support group, the Grey Wolves.
Pope John Paul II in Bulgaria
May 23-26, 2002
Plovdiv, Southern Bulgaria,
Pope John Paul II Ends Visit,
Dismisses 'Bulgarian Connection' in Assassination Attempt
Sofia, May 26 (by Ekaterina Kazasova of BTA)
Bulgaria's exoneration from the death plot against Pope John Paul II is the most important message of the four-day official papal visit here which ended Sunday, according to prominent Bulgarian artist Professor Svetlin Roussev.
The Pontiff left Bulgaria at 7.03 p.m. with an Al Italia flight.
This first visit by a head of the Roman Catholic Church to Bulgaria became a fact 21 years after Mehmet Ali Agca shot at Pope John Paul II in May 1981 and 19 years after then Communist leader Todor Zhivkov invited the latter to visit. After the 1989 democratic changes Bulgaria extended several invitations to the Pope, but they were all declined except for the last one - by an organizing committee of intellectuals, including Foreign Minister Solomon Passy.
The visit had three main highlights. Firstly, and most importantly, the Pope dismissed the accusations of Bulgarian involvement in the attempt at his life. Pope John Paul II said he had never believed in the so called 'Bulgarian connection'. Secondly, opportunities were created to step up dialogue between the Bulgarian Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church. And thirdly, the Papal visit coincided with the session of NATO's Parliamentary Assembly and could influence positively Bulgaria's chances for NATO and EU membership.
Foreign Minister Passy described the visit as the greatest achievement in the Bulgarian foreign policy since WWII, after the Pope discharged Bulgaria of all responsibility for the assassination attempt.
"Pope John Paul II's visit is our real Easter," Prime Minister Simeon Saxe-Coburg-Gotha said after meeting him in the Rila Monastery.
Not many hoped the Pope would make a categoric statement about the 'Bulgarian connection' during his visit. The public expectations were that he would either avoid the issue, or would dismiss the accusations against Bulgaria with general statements. His first words on Bulgarian land - that he had never ceased to love the Bulgarians - seemed to confirm the expectations. At the meeting with President Georgi Purvanov, however, he described as insinuations the country's involvement in the assassination attempt. "I have never believed in the so called 'Bulgarian connection,'" he told the President. Thus, 21 years later, he cleaned Bulgaria's name from the stigma.
The Bulgarian intellectuals and politicians were overjoyed by the Pope's words. Dimiter Panica, a prominent intellectual and chairman of Free and Democratic Bulgaria foundation, said this was "fantastic". Former president Zhelyu Zhelev said he was very pleased because the Pope's confirmed what he has said seven years ago, namely that the 'Bulgarian connection' should be wiped off. "We should thank the Pope for his courage and responsibility, for putting an end to a baseless accusation that was never proved," said former prime minister Dimiter Popov. According to another former prime minister, Filip Dimitrov, it is clear that His Holiness does not wish the assassination attempt to be wed with Bulgaria.
Meanwhile, a number of papers asked why did it have to take so long to hold this visit and if this was the right time for it. "I knew that the Pope very much wanted to visit Bulgaria. And he knew it was precisely the visit to this country that would be the best place and the best time to make this sacral announcement [concerning the country's involvement in the assissnation attempt]," Passy said.
The press commented that the papal visit closed a chapter of the Cold War history and cleaned Bulgaria's name from any suggestions that it might have been involved in the death plot.
Press reports described as "cool" the meeting between the Pope and Patriarch Maksim. The Bulgarian Orthodox Church did not join the invitation to the Pope to visit. However, the Holy Synod of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church said it would welcome the Pope with all due respect. Surprisingly, Patriarch Maksim attended the official welcoming ceremony at St. Alexander Nevski central square and had a 45-minute eye-to-eye meeting with the guest. Later President Georgi Purvanov described this as a clear signal that the Holy Synod is ready for an active dialogue.
The Pope was welcomed cordially by the monks at the Rila monastery. The monastery's hegumen, Bishop John stressed in his address to the Pope that the split between the Orthodox and the Catholic churches has lasted ten centuries. "But the walls between them do not reach the skies and are temporary - men erected them and men will pull them down," said he.
The dialogue between the two churches is very important for Europe's future integration, said Cardinal Walter Casper, Chairman of the Pontifical Council for the Unity of Christians. In his words, the relations between the Orthodox and the Catholic churches are intensive and are being stepped up.
Bulgaria's chances for EU and NATO membership were also commented in the light of the Papal visit. NATO Parliamentary Assembly President Rafael Estrella was the first to make such connection. Upon his arrival in Sofia he said that the NATO-PA session in Sofia and Pope John Paul II's visit are positive initiatives connected with overcoming the 50-year period of confrontation during the Cold War.
For his part, Pope John Paul II called Bulgaria a bridge between the East and West and a spiritual crossroad, and wished that the efforts for social renovation find deserved reception and support from the European Community.
Pope John Paul I - 1912 - 1978
|The Murder of Pope John Paul 1
........At 4.30 a.m. on the morning of Fri September 29th , 1978 Sister Vincenza carried a flask of coffee to the study..... At 4.45 am she returned. The tray of coffee in the study was untouched.....she moved to the bedroom door and listened. There was no sound. She knocked on the door, timidly at first, then with greater force. Still there was silence. There was a light shining from under the door of the bedroom. She knocked again on the bedroom door. Still there was no answer.
Opening the door she saw Albino Luciani sitting up in bed. He was wearing his glasses and gripped in his hands were some sheets of paper. His head was turned to the right and the lips were parted showing his teeth. It was not the smiling face that had so impressed the millions but an expression of agony. She felt his pulse.. Recently she recounted that moment:
"It was a miracle that I survived. I have a bad heart. I pushed the bell to summon the secretaries, then I went out to find the other sisters and to awaken Don Diego."
.....after a mere 33 days as Pope, Albino Luciani had died alone...
Less than twelve hours earlier Albino Luciani had told Villot of his impending replacement by Benelli. Now, far from being a former Secretary of State the Pope's death..... ensured he would remain in office......
Beside the Pope's bed on a small table was the medicine that Luciani had been taking for low blood pressure. Villot pocketed the medicine and removed the notes on the Papal transfers and appointments from the dead Pope's hands. They followed the medicine into Villot's pocket. From his study desk his last Will was removed. Also to vanish from the bedroom were the Pope's glasses and slippers. None of these items has ever been seen again.....
All the hopes, dreams, aspirations were shattered. The plans Luciani had made, the changes, the new direction, all had come to nothing.....
Cardinal Benelli.. With tears still running down his face... said: "The church has lost the right man for the right moment. We are very distressed. We are left frightened....."
[David Yallop In God's Name Johnathan Cape London 1984]
of Pope Paul I - by David Yallop
POPE PAUL VI
POPE PAUL VI
Pope Paul VI
born September 26, 1897;
died August 6, 1978
was pope from 1963 to 1978.
He was baptised Giovanni Battista Montini.
He was ordained in 1920.
|Paul VI (Which version Pope is This?)
born September 26, 1897, Concesio, near Brescia, Italy
Age at Death: 80 - Cause of Death: Heart attack
original name Giovanni Battista MontiniItalian pope of the Roman Catholic church (reigned 196378) during a period including most of the second Vatican Council (196265) and the immediate postconciliar era, in which he issued directives and guidance to a changing Roman Catholic church. His pontificate was confronted with the problems and uncertainties of a church facing a new role in the contemporary world.
Last Sunday (August 6, 1978), about five oclock in the afternoon, Pope Paul VI was stricken by a heart attack while he was assisting at a Mass celebrated by his personal assistant. It was the Feast of the Transfiguration.
Burial & Eternity
Some Catholic papers, as well as secular magazines, have reported that Paul VI, after his burial stank so badly that the coffin had to be opened several times to put more formaldehyde in to stop the stench. In fact photographs show the face of Paul 666 rotting even before he was buried, thus prompting his masonic cardinals to bury him poste haste. The rot was already seen by hundreds if not thousands of people as they filed by his open bier.
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In the photographs taken of Pope Paul VI, one might think that the differences are just because of aging, but that is not the case. The later photos show a Pope with a more hooked nose, of a different shape, more rounded, from the earlier Pope. The ear shapes are completely different, including the size of the lobes. The jaw of the earlier Pope is much more prominent than the later Pope.
The later Pope is thought to be an Italian Actor, who had plastic surgery
to make him look like the Pope, supposedly arranged by Cardinals Villot,
Benelli and Casaroli. These three men made sure that few people got close
to the new Pope, who was being kept hostage, drugged and bound to his
Other people suspected something strange was going on and investigated it. Author Theodor Kolberg of Germany wrote his findings on the case in his book "Unsturg um Vatikan? (An Overthrow of the Vatican?). He even got voiceprints of the two Popes to show the differences using recordings of public blessings. Father Malachi Martin also was aware of the situation.
One of the duties of the imposter Pope was to present new encyclicals which put the Catholic Church in bad standing. The real Pope endured as a hostage until he finally died in 1978. Meanwhile the false Pope installed Benelli to a Cardinal in 1977 so he would have a chance at becoming Pope himself. He aligned himself with communist and Masonic forces to become a likely candidate to antipope.
Once it became clear that Benelli would not become Pope, he arranged it so Albino Luciani would be elected Pope John Paul I. As you will see below, Pope John Paul I was murdered with 1 month of his election to Pope. Luciani was naive to politics and was vocal with announcing his intention to continue the reforms of his predecessors. He was in good health. Everyone was shocked when he died of an apparent heart attack 34 days later. What was more unusual, 4 other people died of apparent heart attacks within that same 4 weeks of his papacy.
Benelli fell short of the 75 votes needed to be elected the new Pope and after Cardinal Giovanni Benellis candidacy stalled, the electors decided they would look outside Italy, and König suggested a man from behind the Iron Curtain. and unexpectedly Carlinda Karol Wojtyla of Poland was elected. What was strange was that Villot, Benelli, and Casaroli were selected by the new Pope to run important departments within the Vatican. Since they worked so closely with the new Pope, the communists felt assured they had a victory even though Benelli didn't become Pope.
In 1981 when Pope Paul II was gunned down in the streets, the communists were even more sure they were victorious, but miraculously, the Pope overcame his dire injuries. There were several other attempts on his life, but he escaped with his life intact.
Much time has passed since then. Villot died in a car accident on
March 9, 1979. Casaroli died on June 10, 1998. According to Kathleen
Keating in her book, "The Final Warning", Benelli is still alive but quite
old now, however, reputable websites say that Cardinal Benelli died in 1982.
(Cardinalate. Created cardinal priest, June 27, 1977; received red biretta
and title of S. Prisca, June 27, 1977. Attended IV Ordinary Assembly of World
Synod of Bishops, Vatican City, September 30-October 29, 1977. Participated
in conclave of August 25-26, 1978. Participated in conclave of October 14-16,
1978. Attended I Plenary Assembly of Sacred College of Cardinals, Vatican
City, November 5-9, 1979; V Ordinary Assembly of World Synod of Bishops,
Vatican City, September 26-October 25, 1980. Death. October 26, 1982, Florence.
Buried, metropolitan cathedral basilica S. Maria del Fiore, Florence.
It is quite obvious that Pope John Paul II does not have much longer to live as he is extremely frail.
It is critical to remember that this will be the first conclave of the third millennium. That fact alone will impose tremendous psychological pressure on the electors to be forward looking, choosing a man who embodies the church of the future. That means the developing world, where seventy percent of Catholics today live - and the only place where the church is experiencing significant growth. This could mean an African such as Nigerian Cardinal Francis Arinze, but for men accustomed to thinking in centuries, the African church (below the Sahara) probably seems far too new, too fluid to be ready for the papacy. There arent enough Catholics in Asia for that region to make sense. Thus if the cardinals want a Third World pope, it seems more likely they will turn to a Latin American.
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Dee, I had a disturbing vision of a hand with holes like Jesus in front of my eyes thru my eyelids while meditating as is our custom (Steve & I meditate each night for 15 minutes, twice) 9/6/02 at about 7 PM -- and the holes were black blood like the person was dead. I had dreamed about baby Jesus's suitcases that morning. I also included the 9/5/02 dream the day before because it refers to a fall out a window. The reference in your dream to the "second" time gave me a sinking feeling that it was the same as the Pope that died after 30 days in 1978 -- poisoned, I read the book about that becasue I told Steve on the phone (I'd gone home to my Mother in Des Moines from Los Angeles) that I thought the Pope would die if I ate some pie and then he did and he remembered that and kept reminding me of it-- I thought I was having a nervous breakdown but he pointed out that I WAS right about that. Your website is a blessing to everyone. Love, Sheila & Steve
Subj: Who died? The Pope ?
Hi Dee , I would like to share with you the small thougts I had concerning the last page you put up with your dream on the death call on the pope. I must say offt sometimes I even scare myself with these coincidences I find:-).
As you may know from before I am used to seeing all things with numbers at least when I have time to sit and see it that way , when walking to and thro there's only time for the mind to seek truth on the surface when its at the speed of light , and I'm still too slow for being able to see all the light there is but anyway I'll try to see if I can tell of some of it in your dream , since I feel too that the present situation in the world would change to the better, first at least if a new pope would come into power but not because the poor man that sits on the seat now is sick but because the times of Gods will soon will demand of the faith, to do so anyway I to pray to God to delete the pride within me.
"But the dream specified the words, "It happened again!" Nobody dies twice. But it might be designate the way in which a person died - like assassination or mysterious death".
Notice that later on, above when you were thinking about the things said in your dream, you perhaps just happened to write what your ex-husband said slightly differently .
Above you say "It happened again" he said " It's happened again" as you also can see below where the "Entire" conversation is selected out from what you experienced from the dream .
The tiny difference in the spelling above is not so tiny after all , since the only thing that is missing in the way you wrote it is an "S"= 300 , thus you can see that when the total value of all the letters of either :
( It's happened again = 1008 ) or as you on the other hand ( It happened again = 708 ). Of course this is not a grand thing to be seen as more than an unconscious spelling error , but when it leads to something that actually seems to relate very much to the contents of you dream I guess I just have to point it out :) for what good is it if just I see it;
Anyway the word ( Beast =2+5+1+300+400 =708 )
Also something as well interesting for some other whom aren't aware of their faith and what or whom it originates from is the foundation built upon the :
Book = 162 + Of =76 + Mormon = 470 = 708
That is something not many know, for I haven't yet told them :) but soon .
Revelation 13: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast ,saying to them that dwell on the earth that they should make and image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword and did live .
I believe that the sword is the same sword spoken of below and that the life of the tree is given to whom ever passes that sword ,
Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims and a flaming sword which turned every way to keep the way of the tree of life .
He Heals a Fatal Wound of the Beast" Another sign used by the false prophet will be the healing of the anti-messiahs fatal head wound. We dont know the circumstances of this event, but we are told the results. Apparently, the false prophet is able to resurrect the beast (anti-messiah) but is not able to completely heal him from the effects of the probable assassination. Zechariah tells us that the anti-messiah (the worthless shepherd) will suffer from a withered arm and blind right eye."
Woe to the worthless shepherd who leaves the flock! A sword will be on his arm and on his right eye! His arm will be totally withered, and his right eye will be blind. ZEC 11:17
Below are as I said all the things that were said in the phone conversation , I have highlighted the things you said, with Blue and the things you "Ex-Husband" said with Red .
What is interesting also is that if one would ignore that "Hello" was said first by you , then both you and him said four things each .
9-26-02 - 6:25 a.m. DEATH CALLED ON THE PHONE
"It's happened again!" = 710+233+65 = 1008
"What's happened again?" = 1509+233+65 =1807
"He's dead!" = 313+14 = 327
(Pls note the words Dragon and Horn both share the value of 328 )
"Who is dead?" = 878+310+14 = 1202
"It happened 20 days ago!" = 410+233+20+1005+74 =1742
"Who died?" = 878+ 23 = 901
"It happened in the Ambassador church!" = 410+233+60+413+919+736 =2771
"Who died?" = 878+23 = 901
The total sum of all the things you said = 143 +1807+1202+901+901 =4954
The total sum of all the things He said= 1008+327+1742+2771= 5848
And since we can make it very interesting an so forth it already seems to concern a specific mystery :
The total gematrical value of all the words in the sentence below :
"BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." = 6749
( which can be verified with the calculator on my webpage www.6pater6father6.org )
The woman riding the beast is the modern harlot church led by the false prophet working cooperatively with the anti-messiah (beast). ?
Now if this False Prophet will be the next Pope it would seem like he would know this before he was given that authority, your dream says that it happens without all knowing it somehow , yet he knew?
6749 - 5848 = 901 (who died?)
you asked that twice ( 901+901 =1802 )
Bless you for being there :)
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