**99.56.1 Holotomics and 9/11 (MetPhys)**

From: MetPhys@aol.com

To: Jerryiuliano@aol.com

Subject: Holotomics and 9/11 (MetPhys)

Date: 04/09/02

To All,

I may be comparing apples and oranges here when I compare holotomic terms and concepts to the 9/11 WTC event but I can't pass up the opportunity to forward it to you all, for comment.

What do you make of this "synchronicity"? Was the 9/11 event an octave null point?

"NUMBER 2520: Holotome E contains eight base digits: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,
and 9. This raises its permutational capacity to the limit of the
base. In that one, singularity is not a number, Holotome E is regarded
as the Auric Node. This is, in every sense of the term, a full octave,
and totally synchronetic with the **NINELEVEN RETROGRADE OCTAVE**, which
also being of an exemplary nature, synchronizes via 4 forward and 4
reverse event octaves with a **9th null event**."

"Number and geometry are two ways of expressing the same set of ratios or
relationships. The Exemplary **9/11 Basewave** (Cycloflex) is also a
**synergetic, dynamic representation of objective closed loops of
causation**. They can not only be described, but also graphically
displayed. This is a reflexive +4, -4 ambidirectional base wave with a
ninth null event, (as per Buckminster Fuller), forming a series of
octaves running through the continuum."

Note: The 9th null event of B. Fullers "bowtie 9" can be described as a +4 / -4 circulation (a figure 8) thru the center (9).

MetPhys@aol.com

**99.56.2 Re: Paily and the Quantum Wave (MetPhys)**

From: MetPhys@aol.com

To: Jerryiuliano@aol.com

Subject: Paily and the Quantum Wave (MetPhys)

Date: 04/06/02

Sir,

I've been studying John Paily's ratios relating to the physical, mental and consciousness wave. All three take the form of the mobius strip akin to Buckminster Fuller's "bowtie 9" oscillation. You might find it interesting to see the number 18 appear here also.

I hope the gif's open for you. I'm trying to get John to recode his html so they do so.

MetPhys@aol.com

**99.56.3 Mathematical Haiku (JerryIuliano)**

From: Jerryiuliano@aol.com

To: MetPhys@aol.com

Subject: Mathematical Haiku (Jerryiuliano)

Date: 04/21/02

Sir:

Sources for Cheops pyramid constructs:

Flinders-Petrie (1883)....section 144

http://members.optushome.com.au./fmetrol/petrie/C21.html

height... = 5776 English inches

base leg = 9073 English inches

Churchward/Ramsey (1910)....

http://www.charm.net/~ces/trade/tback.html

height ....= 486.256 English feet

base leg = 763.81 English feet

Howard Vyse (1830's).....

from the book, The Geometry of Art and Life, by Matila Ghyka,p.22

height.....= 148.2 meters

base leg = 232.8 meters

Sources for four fundamental forces of Nature:

Quantum Theory: A Modern Introduction ,by Michio Kaku, p.6

a(em) = 1/137.03599976 = fine-structure constant

1998 NIST...

http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?alphasearch_for=all!

Kinoshita's number....1/137.035999935

http://www.tc.cornell.edu/er/media/1996/kinoshita.release.html

a(s) = stong nuclear force = 14

G(w) = .0000116639 Fm = fermi-coupling charge = weak nuclear force

1998 NIST...

http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?gfsearch_for=all!

G(n) = 6.6739*(10^-11) mks =gravitational constant

University of Washington, 2000 study:

http://www.aip.org/enews/physnews/2000/split/pnu482-1.html

Sources for Beta, (37) :

37 Egyptian deities...

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/h/hex.html

.37 Beta,anomalous exponent for second order phase transitions

http://webphysics.iupui.edu/251Sp97GFApr28.html

Source for Fermat Last Theorem harmonic mean constant...(1/37+1/57)

Rubidium(37) Lanthanum(57) connection:

http://www.dgleahy.com/dgl/p23.html

Flinders-Petrie:..........ht = 5776..............bl = 9072.29727

Churchward/Ramsey: ht = 486.2560047...bl = 763.81

H. Vyse :..................ht = 148.2..............bl = 232.7922759

((10^ (2*ht/bl))^-1)..........*...........(.37^2)....=...a(em) = 1/137.03599976..

((10^ (1*ht/bl))^-1)../.(1/37+1/57)/.(.37)........=...a(s) ...= 13.99999696

[[(10^ (7*ht/bl))*c]^-1]..........*............(10^8) =.. G(w)...= .000011663956

[(10^((2*ht/bl)-34))*3/(bl^2)/ht]^(1/4)............=...G(n)....= 6.67392*(10^-11)

(bl^2)*ht/3 = volumne of pyramid

Flinders-Petrie: .........ht = 5776.................bl = 9072.918506

Churchward/Ramsey..ht = 486.2566061.....bl = 763.81

H. Vyse....................ht = 148.2................bl = 232.791998

[(180*ht/2/bl)^(ht/bl)*.....37/ 5700.................= sqrt a(em) =.08542454308

[(180*ht/2/bl)^(ht/bl)/...(.37+ .57).................= a(s)...........=13.99999696

[(180*ht/2/bl)^(ht/bl)*((1/37+1/57)^3)../37/2.7 = G(w).........=.00001166391

[(180*ht/2/bl)^(ht/bl)*((1/37+1/57)^9)/(.37^2) = G(n)...........= 6.67288*(10^-11)

Flinders-Petrie..........ht = 5776..................bl = 9072.2972

Churchward/Ramsey.ht = 486.2560047......bl = 763.81

H.Vyse....................ht = 148.2.................bl = 232.7922759

z = 7.999999806......y=8.000081207

[(sqrt(e^(Pi+z)))*(1/37+1/57)]^2................... =1/a(em) = 137.03599976

(sqrt(e^(Pi+z)))*..............(10^(2*ht/bl)..........=a(s)......=13.99999696

sqrt[[log[(sqrt(e^(Pi+z)))*(1/37+1/57)]]*2*ht/bl]/(10^5) =G(w) ....= .0000116634

h*c*[[(e^(Pi+y))* 37*18]^2]*(1/4)*ht/bl............=G(n)...= 6.6739*(10^-11)

h =Plank's constant = 6.626067801*(10^-34) Joules

c = metric speed of light = 299792458 mps

Flinders-Petrie..........ht = 5776.................bl = 9072.29727

Churchward/Ramsey.ht = 486.2560047.....bl = 763.81

H.Vyse....................ht = 148.2................bl = 232.7922759

[288^(ht/bl)]/100 = cos 1/a(em) = cos 137.03599976

ht = 486.25611...bl = 763.81

x = 143.999987919

(10^(x/...37)) / 37/18..................= sqrt (1/a(em) =11.70623764

[sqrt(e^(Pi+z))]/(10^(x*2/37))*(1800^2)................= a(s)......= 13.99999696

[sqrt[[log[((10^(x/...37))/..37/18]]*2*ht/bl]]/(10^5)= G(w) = .0000116640294

h*c*[[[(10^(x*2/37))/(1800^2)*a(s)]^2]*37*18]^2]/2/Pi=G(n)=6.6739*(10^-11)

x = 144.0003127 in gravity formula

"collective unconscious" constant = 10^(144/37) = 7796.36013

SEPHIRA MALKUTH: "288 sparks from broken vessels"

10^(288/2/37) = 7796.36013

http://www.inner.org/HEBLETER/tzadik.htm

http://www.thirtysevenbooks.com/Arizal/Pinchas5761.htm

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/luria.html

http://www.koshertorah.com/thk7.html

180/2 = total consciousness

32 =total paths of wisdom

288^2 = 82944

10^(82944/32/37/18) = 7796.36013

DG Leahy

http://dgleahy.com/dgl/p22.html

Carl Munck

http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.html

PLATONIC CYCLE: 25920 years

10^(25920/37/180) = 7796.36013

http://www.earthmatrix.com/platonic/nineveh.htm

http://www.expresso.co.cr/centaurs/steiner/epochs.html

http://wn.elib/steiner/Lectures/CosHuMet_synopsis.html

http://www.ascension2000.com/fm-ch06.htm

HINDU..KALI-YUGA: 108 time unit

(sqrt(37/108))*2*37*180 = 7796.383777

(sqrt(37/108))*2*37/10 = 10^(ht/bl).....ht = 486.25726, bl = 763.81

http://www.hubcom.com/tantriic/subha.htm

http://philtar.ucsm.ac.uk/encyclopedia/hindu/ascetic/iskcon.html

http://uk.geocities.com/tantraifc/mother_kali_tara.html

http://www.wordman.com/gallery432/432myth.htm

RAY TOMES: harmonics of 34560 and 24

10^(34560/24/370) = =7796.36013

http://www.theosophy.com/theos-talk/tt05743.html

Cycles in the universe and harmonics theory

http://www.theosophy.net/tw-html/tw7812.html

http://homepages.kcbbs.gen.nz/rtomes/conf-1.htm

ISLAM and KUNDALINI (3.5)....... 57*2 Suras in Koran

((7/2)^(1/4)) * 5700 = 7796.369679

http://www.powells.com/subsection/IslamQuran.html

http://www.starryarch.org/GnosticMassNotes.htm

STONEHENGE: diameter = 288 units

10^(288/2/37) = 7796.36013

http://www.celticnz.co.nz/US9.html

http://www.celticnz.co.nz/US14.html

http://www.christiaan.com/stonehenge/info/period_i

http://www.vortexmaps.com/htmla/hengetor.htm

MIRINGA TE KAKARA...(crosshouse:New Zealand)288

http://www.celticnz.co.nz/mnz_pt4.html

AZTEC/MAYAN..sacred Alautun number (long count) 2304=(8^2)*(6^4)

10^[(8^2)*(6^4)/37/18/32] = 7796.36013

http://www.earthmatrix.com/serie56/maya56.htm

http://www.geocities.com/teufel_pi/papers/mayan.pdf

http://www.earthmatrix.com/great/pyramid.htm

http://www.earthmatrix.com/abstract/abs50-59.htm

SUMERIAN..goddess INANNA (252)..HINDU YUGA..108

10^(252-108)/37)) = 7796.36013

http://www.netmastersinc.com/secrets/108_essay.htn

http://www.zenforum.com/ForumE/showthread.php3?threadid=783

http://www.jainworld.com/jainbooks/guideline/111.htm

http://www.omsakthi.org/worship/mantra.html

CHRISTIAN..Book of Revelations...144,(37*18),1260,70,9505

10^(144/37) ..........= 7796.36013

10^((1260/666)+2)..= 7796.36013

10^((70/37)+2).......= 7796.36013

10^((9505/37)-256) = 7796.36013

37*18...chapter 13; verse 18

144......chapter 14; verse 1

1260....chapter 12; verse 6 (42 months)

70.......chapter 17; verse 3

9505...number of hours in one day + one month + one year + one hour

More on the "collective unconscious" harmonic 288:

http://www.thehope.org/njpapxd-144000.htm

http://www.mysterypark.ch/download/pdf/mysteries_mayaland_e.pdf

http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc99/1_23_99/mathaland.htm

Philippe de Vitry...1200 AD

http://www.ascension200.com/Shift-of-the-Ages/shift20.htm

http://www.dprins.demon.nl/convergence/9902.html (Edgar Cayce)

http://www.goddesschess.com/archives/ch300.html #(318,317,325)

http://www.bdcol.ee/astrolog/texts/lesson.asp

http://www.hooper-home.net/TEMPLE/Chap1~09.htm

http://www.celticnz.co.nz/US4.html

all off Google search engine for: "sacred number 288"

J.Iuliano

**99.56.4 Gann squares (MetPhys)**

From: MetPhys@aol.com

To: Jerryiuliano@aol.com

To: Dee777@aol.com

To: Tombuoyed@aol.com

To: CodeUFO@aol.com

To: Wdestiny44@aol.com

Subject: Gann squares (MetPhys)

Date: 04/06/02

Gann Book: Patterns of Gann by Granville Cooley

Do you know of Gann squares and its commodities market predictive abilities? It is based upon planet position and its influence upon markets. There is a lot of sacred geometry here. The very same things as what we are studying.

MetPhys@aol.com

**99.56.5 The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (MetPhys)**

From: MetPhys@aol.com

To: CodeUFO@aol.com, Milamo@aol.com, ancient_vizier@yahoo.com, dle33@swbell.net, neil@neilfreer.com, palmerri@uwec.edu,
arvic@southwest.com.au, Wdestiny44@aol.com, Dee777@aol.com, T0Leo@aol.com, EGH@topica.com, CDunn1546, Marcio6067@skydome.net
, pvigay@cropcircleresearch.com, ophi@greatserpentmound.org, artemis@greatserpentmound.org, andy3751@hotmail.com, maryweav@hotmail.com, KTotzek@aol.com
, Kynthia@kynthia.net

Subject: The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (MetPhys)

Date: 05/14/02

Fidelio Article - Foundations of Tuning

Some time ago Michael Morton broached the subject that the ASM (Archaeo-Sky Matrix) is a system of intrinsic and self-evident proof, wherein Mark McCarron claimed that all system measures, including the ASM system measures were arbitrary. Of course, all straight-line measuring units **are** arbitrary.

It is the circle that imposes an intrinsic, absolute metric, and each arc has an absolute value as an angle, whether the circle is being divided into 360 degrees, 666 degrees or any other. Does the circle meet Mark McCarron's SETI protocol, as the necessary, intrinsic, absolute cipher or "Primer" as he likes to call it?

"there is one intrinsic, absolute measure", says the author Jonathan Tennenbaum, commenting on Schiller, an advocate of non-linearity, commenting on Helmholtz' linear analysis:

"Compare the measurement of lengths on a straight line with that of arcs on the circumference of a circle. **A straight line has no intrinsic measure**; before we can measure length, we must first choose some unit, some interval with which to compare any given segment. **The choice of the unit of measurement, however, is purely arbitrary**.

**The circle, on the contrary, possesses by its very nature an intrinsic, absolute measure, namely one complete cycle of rotation**. Each arc has an absolute value as an angle, and the regular self-divisions of the circle define certain specific angles and arcs in a lawful fashion (e.g., a right angle, or the 120 deg angle subtended by the side of an equilateral triangle inscribed in the circle).

Just as the process of rotation, which creates the circle, imposes an absolute metric upon the circle, so also the process of creation of our universe determines an absolute value for every existence in the universe, including musical tones. Helmholtz refused to recognize the fact that our universe possesses a special kind of curvature, such that all magnitudes have absolute, geometrically-determined values. This is why Helmholtz's theories are systematically wrong, not merely wrong by accident or through isolated errors. Straight-line measures are intrinsically fallacious in our universe."

MetPhys@aol.com

**99.56.6 The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (Randy)**

From: palmerri@uwec.edu

To: MetPhys@aol.com

Subject: The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (MetPhys)

Date: 05/14/02

Hi all.

I really enjoy reading the material that you "High Octane" guys come up with even if this "low lead" guy doesn't grasp all of it. Anyway, to me, it is conceivable that another circular measuring system could give us similar results. I am thinking of the older navigation system - the Mariners Compass or Wind Rose that was based on "16 points of the wind":

North - North North East - North East - East North East - East

East - East South East - South East - South South East - South, etc.

The Mariner's compass was derived by fractionally splitting the circle: 1, 2, 4, 16. If one were to continue breaking the circle into more fractions (like our inches) it would go 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024...

Let's say that 256 became an accepted unit of measure (before dividing our new units into say 64 minutes and 64 seconds) we would have a radian unit of 128 / pi = 40.7436654 "Mariner degrees". Would this be any harder to learn than our radian unit of 57.2957795 degrees? Obviously, over time the 360 degree system (combining decimal and senary numbering)would prove to be efficient. It also approximates the solar year (and conceivably is the Ideal "designed" solar year). However, I'm not sure that efficiency would rule when convention and "religious ritual" numbers likely were more important to some cultures. The Mayan Calendar isn't as "efficient" as ours yet is much older, accurate and gives us clues to different cycles of time (like sunspot activity). I just wonder what a fractionally based circular measuring system would do to the Munck/Morton system - if the same results might be achieved - and if they might be found to be predictable (i.e.: I could use the system to discover new sacred sites on the Grid).

This group thinks outside the box - and maybe these "low lead" ideas fit a "circular file" - just thought I'd send them along...

Randy

**99.56.7 The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (Vicky (Pike))**

From: arvic@southwest.com.au

To: MetPhys@aol.com

Subject: The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (Vicky (Pike))

Date: 05/15/02

I don't know if this list is familiar with the following but it would seem to compliment this discussion....

In his book The Golden Thread of Time [ISBN 0-9541639-0-7], Crichton shows that, in comparison to the ancients, we have become very dualistic and have divorced ourselves from nature and the cosmos. Were this not so, we would be able to see what they left behind quite clearly and our civilizations would not be on the brink of disaster through conflict and the destruction of our environment.

To prove his point, he has been fortunate in discovering the instrument that the ancients used to measure the stars and the very planet on which we live.

The Navigation Instrument

This instrument can tell the time, find latitude and longitude, measure the angles of the stars, predict the solstices and equinoxes and measure the precession of the equinoxes. The instrument can also find the ecliptic pole as well as the North and South poles, it can make maps and charts, design pyramids and henges and, when it is used in combination with these observatory sites, can record and predict the cycles of nature.

End Quote.

The article shows pictures of the Celtic Cross shaped navigation device of which Crichton speaks.

Vicky (Pike)

**99.56.8 The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (MetPhys)**

From: MetPhys@aol.com

To: palmerri@uwec.edu

Subject: The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (MetPhys)

Date: 05/15/02

Randy,

I like the way you think. In fact, please tell me more about what your "out of the box" thinking has produced concerning 40 and 64. If it looks promising, Id like to post your mail on my site if you don't mind.

I have been entertaining ideas of a 40 degree circle used by Lethbridge and a 64 hour per day, 4 day week instead of the 24 hour day and 7 day week.

MetPhys@aol.com

**99.56.9 64 hrs per day / 4 day week (MetPhys)**

From: MetPhys@aol.com

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Subject: 64 hrs per day / 4 day week (MetPhys)

Date: 05/16/02

133.33 - THE MAGIC NUMBERS - THE DREAM, THE MYT

I've been following an interesting path lately. What if there are, in the ancient measuring system, 64 hrs in a day with a 4 day week. Is this an original ancient system? What would this new "old" system produce? Can you find more synchronicities?

What is the factor of the division of 24 hrs into 64 hrs = Factor 2.6666666667

From Dee Finney's above page, I found "The division of the mean solar day in 24 hours or 86400 seconds is for us a more practical measure of time than the actual sidereal rotation period of the earth."

Multiplying the factor 2.6666666667 x 86400 sec per day = 230400, a fractal of 2304.

99Celectrons.html " meridian variance to be indicated as .. 09 deg 32 min 0.8 sec. 09 (deg) X 32 (min) X 0.8 (sec) = 230.4 That decimal harmonic (2304) proves itself to be quite significant in the context of the ASM...

99Aelectrons.html 2304 SUMERIAN :INANNA number...

99Qelectrons.html "ASM", set of relationships : Taking the product of the digits ... 8 X 2 X 9 X 4 X 4 = 2304.

99BBelectrons.html Recall, now, the figure 230.4 .. which is the multiplied-product of the *Mars Variance* in prime meridian longitude. (Morton)...

99RRelectrons.html = 8448 (music "C" note) 8448 / 1.6 = 5280 (a mile in feet) 8448 / 11 = 768 24 x 32 = 768 768 x 3 = 2304...82944 / 768 = 108 82944 / 2304 = 36...2304 = Gematrian word meaning "False Christs and False prophets ...

MetPhys@aol.com

**99.56.10 The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (ancient_vizier)**

From: ancient_vizier@yahoo.com

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Subject: The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (ancient_vizier)

Date: 05/17/02

MetPhys@aol.com wrote:

Fidelio Article - Foundations of Tuning

<< Some time ago Michael Morton broached the subject that the ASM (Archaeo-Sky Matrix) is a system of intrinsic and self-evident proof, wherein Mark McCarron claimed that all system measures, including the ASM system measures were arbitrary. Of course, all straight-line > measuring units are arbitrary.

It is the circle that imposes an intrinsic, absolute metric, and each arc has an absolute value as an angle, whether the circle is being divided into 360 degrees, 666 degrees or any other. Does the circle meet Mark McCarron's SETI protocol, as the necessary, intrinsic, absolute cipher or "Primer" as he likes to call it? >>

ancient-vizier:

http://www.eco.utexas.edu/faculty/Norman/long.extra/Student.Projects/Nano/nano.html

"This process developed a new type of carbon chain that is extremely strong and stable and closed on both ends, it was named C60. Dr. Smalley explains why C60 is so powerful. "C60 is special because of all the structures made of pentagons and hexagons that can curl around and close, there is only one that can do it so smoothly that every atom has the same curvature as every other. This is a consequence of mathematics. Sixty is the most factorable of all integers. That's why the Babylonians used it as the base of their number system, that's why we still divide circles into 360 degrees, and why we have 60 minutes in an hour and 60 seconds in a minute. For reasons that so far seem obscure but probably are connected somehow to its highfactorability, sixty is also the maximum finite number of ways you can rotate an object around a central point in 3 dimensional space so that when you finish rotating it looks exactly the same as before. Such an object has the symmetry of the icosahedron, the highest finite point group, which has 60 proper rotational symmetry elements. "

Cheers, Robert Carl (ancient-vizier)

**99.56.11 The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (Milamo)**

From: Milamo@aol.com

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Subject: The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (Milamo)

Date: 05/17/02

To Everyone ...

This (below) is, in my opinion, an_excellent_commentary ('explication') of the **360** (and "60")-based_number_of *equal arc-segments* on one circumference. This even includes the_icosahedron form_in a special "role" .. please note this .. toward the end of this short piece.

Notice (again) .. that (thank-you, MetPhys) .. this involves the number of *equal arc-segments* into-which you divide a circumference. And; also .. I point-out; this involves "consciousness" .. that is; human consciousness ("our" consciousness) .. human perception .. we "perceive" the_efficacy_of the 360 equal number of arc-segments on a circumference .. we 'perceive' the_efficacy_of the 60 equal arc-segments of 2 sets of sub-divisions of the first arrangement. We 'perceive' the "rotation" .. mentioned in the short piece, below. This is a process of "knowledge" .. "understanding" .. "awareness". This is_*integral*_to the very *meaning* and *significance* of these_particular_numbers-of-divisions-of-equal-arc-segments.

-- Michael L.M.

**99.56.12 The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (ancient_vizier)**

In a message dated 05/17/2002 1:03:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ancient_vizier@yahoo.com writes:

<< Subj: Re: MetPhys- The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure.

Date: 05/17/2002 1:03:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time

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--- MetPhys@aol.com wrote:

Fidelio Article - Foundations of Tuning

<< Some time ago Michael Morton broached the subject that the ASM (Archaeo-Sky Matrix) is a system of intrinsic and self-evident proof, wherein Mark McCarron claimed that all system measures, including the ASM system measures were arbitrary. Of course, all straight-line measuring units are arbitrary.

It is the circle that imposes an intrinsic, absolute metric, and each arc has an absolute value as an angle, whether the circle is being divided into 360 degrees, 666 degrees or any other. Does the circle meet Mark McCarron's SETI protocol, as the necessary, intrinsic, absolute cipher or "Primer" as he likes to call it? >>

ancient-vizier:

http://www.eco.utexas.edu/faculty/Norman/long.extra/Student.Projects/Nano/nano.html

"This process developed a new type of carbon chain that is extremely strong and stable and closed on both ends, it was named C60. Dr. Smalley explains why C60 is so powerful. "C60 is special because of all the structures made of pentagons and hexagons that can curl around and close, there is only one that can do it so smoothly that every atom has the same curvature as every other. This is a consequence of mathematics. Sixty is the most factorable of all integers. That's why the Babylonians used it as the base of their number system, that's why we still divide circles into 360 degrees, and why we have 60 minutes in an hour and 60 seconds in a minute. For reasons that so far seem obscure but probably are connected somehow to its high factorability, sixty is also the maximum finite number of ways you can rotate an object around a central point in 3 dimensional space so that when you finish rotating it looks exactly the same as before. Such an object has the symmetry of the icosahedron, the highest finite point group, which has 60 proper rotational symmetry elements. "

Cheers, Robert Carl (ancient-vizier)

**99.56.13 The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (ancient_vizier)**

In a message dated 05/17/2002 1:03:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ancient_vizier@yahoo.com writes:

<< Subj: Re: MetPhys- The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure.

Date: 05/17/2002 1:03:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time

From: ancient_vizier@yahoo.com (Ancient Vizier)

To: MetPhys@aol.com
CC: ancient_vizier@yahoo.com

MetPhys@aol.com wrote:

The point of my email was to establish that Tennenbaum seems to say that the circle is the absolute, intrinsic measure that McCarron is seeking, thus a very intelligent base from which to approach McCarrons roadblock.

MetPhys@aol.com

I agree, but I think McCarron's ideas about what is "arbitrary" may be a little... "arbitrary"... themselves also. I am always on the lookout for things that explain that the sexigesimal system is a logical evolution rather than an arbirary one. In fact, if it can be traced to the Babylonians I think a lot of his saying that the Egyptians wouldn't have used it are falls by the way anyway.

I think this is also true with the "generic" treament of the circle in the Pyramid Matrix, we see that idealized generic formula that if radian = 57.29577951 can be even further simplified, and I think it illustrates that something on the order of the sexigesimal system is the logical product of the use of Pi in formulas relating to the circle. Even if the most simplified generic formulas like 180 R = Area of Circle work only if R = 57.29577951, that R figure integrates with Pi which I think is applicable to circular formulas regardless of degrees or hence the degrees / radian figure. Anything else that defines the number of degrees for a circle seems like practicality, i.e., more than 180 ([1/2 R] x [2 Pi]), less than 720 ([2 R] x [2 Pi]), hence R x [2 Pi] = 360... but I was glad to accidently come across that link while looking for something else because I think it affords additional rationale for an ancient 360 degree system as something other than arbitrary.

Cheers, Robert

**99.56.14 The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure. (MetPhys)**

In a message dated 05/19/2002 4:53:06 AM , MetPhys@aol.com writes:

<< Subj: Re: MetPhys- The Circle as Intrinsic, Absolute Measure.

Date: 05/17/2002 4:56:06 AM

From: MetPhys@aol.com

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The Cipher of McCarron represents "nought, zero" which is the center of a circle, the circle being the expanded nought, zero center-cipher, the absolute, intrinsic measure:

From MetPhys:

<< The point of my email was to establish that Tennenbaum seems to say that the circle is the absolute, intrinsic measure that McCarron is seeking, thus a very intelligent base from which to approach McCarrons roadblock. >>

From The Fibonacci Numbers and Mayan Cosmology

"The cipher (nought, zero) and place numerations are such an integral
part of our cultural heritage and are such obvious conveniences that it
is difficult to imagine mathematics without them. Yet they were a late
development in European mathematics; the ancient Greeks and Romans had
no knowledge of "zero" or place numeration, but the Maya did. This is
one of the reasons they could excel at long calculations. **Once you have a cipher and a system of place notation, long problems in simple arithmetic become infinitely easier, and it doesn't matter whether the system is decimal, vigesimal, or whatever**. The Maya system was not decimal but vigesimal, counting by 20s.

Maya numbers were placed in vertical lines, with space fillers somewhat analogous to our "zero," but which did not mean "nothing." Rather, **the space filler-cipher meant "completion**." And the completion symbol most commonly used was a shell. This is rather interesting, considering the fact that many shells are formulated according to the divine proportion, or Fibonacci sequence."

MetPhys@aol.com

**99.56.15 Concerning 25920 (Jerryiuliano)**

Subj: Concerning 25920

Date: 05/18/2002

From: Jerryiuliano@aol.com

To: MetPhys@aol.com

MP:

This is a strange find concerning 25920 and 37:

From pari-dev@list.cr.yp.to Mon Jul 16 20:53:21 2001From: Mark Dickinson Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:46:50 -0400 (EDT)To: pari-dev@list.cr.yp.toSubject: polrootspadic bug?Using:GP/PARI CALCULATOR Version 2.2.1 (alpha)UltraSparc (MicroSparc kernel) 32-bit versionthe following happened:(14:34) gp > polrootspadic(x^3+25920*x+746496,2,37)%1 = [2^4 + 2^5 + 2^6 + 2^7 + 2^8 + 2^9 + 2^11 + 2^13 + 2^14 + 2^18 + 2^19+ 2^20 + 2^21 + 2^22 + 2^23 + 2^26 + 2^27 + 2^28 + 2^31 + 2^33 + O(2^37)]~(14:34) gp > polrootspadic(x^3+25920*x+746496,2,38)^C *** user interrupt after 3mn, 16,783 ms.(14:38) gp >The second call to polrootspadic above seems to cause gp/pari to hangindefinitely. I encountered identical results under version 2.1.0 onUltraSparc and on Linux. Any idea what's happening? All the best,

Note the increasing exponents, very strange

J.Iuliano

**99.56.16 Re: Concerning 25920 (MetPhys)**

Subj: Re: Concerning 25920

Date: 05/19/2002

Sir,

This seems to be a secure software mailing list ( pari-dev@list.cr.yp.to ). Since it was run on 2 other versions and Linux, it might be assumed, it is not the software.

Input Variables: (x^3+25920*x+746496,2,37)%1

Output: [2^4 + 2^5 + 2^6 + 2^7 + 2^8 + 2^9 + 2^11 + 2^13 + 2^14 + 2^18 + 2^19+ 2^20 + 2^21 + 2^22 + 2^23 + 2^26 + 2^27 + 2^28 + 2^31 + 2^33 + O(2^37)]

Rearranged Vertically:

2^4, 2^5, 2^6, 2^7, 2^8, 2^9

2^10 missing

2^11

2^12 missing

2^13, 2^14

2^15, 2^16, 2^17 missing

2^18, 2^19, 2^20, 2^21, 2^22, 2^23

2^24, 2^25 missing

2^26, 2^27, 2^28

2^29, 2^30 missing

2^31

2^32 missing

2^33, 0(2^37)

Rearranged as Chromatic Octave Notes:

(*)missing

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, *10, 11, *12, 13,

14,*15,*16,*17, 18, 19, 20, 21,22, 23, *24, *25, 26,

27, 28,*29,*30, 31,*32,33

Definition of the "problem":

1. Unknown.

Recommendation: Change the x^3 to x^16 and run again then plot the Chromatic Octave Notes and compare to the above for resonance.

In a message dated 5/18/2 11:17:17 PM, you wrote:

<< From pari-dev@list.cr.yp.to Mon Jul 16 20:53:21 2001From: Mark Dickinson Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:46:50 -0400 (EDT)To: pari-dev@list.cr.yp.toSubject: polrootspadic bug?Using:GP/PARI CALCULATOR Version 2.2.1 (alpha)UltraSparc (MicroSparc kernel) 32-bit versionthe following happened:(14:34) gp > polrootspadic(x^3+25920*x+746496,2,37)%1 = [2^4 + 2^5 + 2^6 + 2^7 + 2^8 + 2^9 + 2^11 + 2^13 + 2^14 + 2^18 + 2^19+ 2^20 + 2^21 + 2^22 + 2^23 + 2^26 + 2^27 + 2^28 + 2^31 + 2^33 + O(2^37)]~(14:34) gp > polrootspadic(x^3+25920*x+746496,2,38)^C *** user interrupt after 3mn, 16,783 ms.(14:38) gp >The second call to polrootspadic above seems to cause gp/pari to hang indefinitely. I encountered identical results under version 2.1.0 onUltraSparc and on Linux. Any idea what's happening? All the best,

Note the increasing exponents, very strange >>

**99.56.17 Re: Concerning 25920 (Jerryiuliano)**

Subj: Re: Concerning 25920

IM From Jerry Iuliano

To: MetPhys

Date: 05/19/2002

Mon. 9:00 PM, 5/20/02

JerryIuliano: I put the number 25920 on the Google search engine and returned 13000 hits. About 50 references so far concerning individuals who have interpreted different meanings for the Platonic number 25920, for example: C. Johnson....On this website C. Johnson believs the Platonic number is derived off of the Mayan long count and Nineveh constant.

JerryIuliano: C.Munck....C.Munck believes the ancient number 25920 is tied to the Zodiac and crop circles.

MetPhys: Yes, Johnson has done much work with Mayan number systems...he restricts his pages so that they cannot be copied or reproduced elsewhere..other than that, I find his work quite lucid.

MetPhys: Yes 25920, the cycle of precession has to be tied to every cycle known, eventually?

JerryIuliano: I. Miller....I. Miller who believes the number 25920 is of Sumerian origin throug the Jungian mandela, Syntex.

MetPhys: Iona Miller and Johnson disagree but is there a way to tell who is correct...

JerryIuliano: Steiner...Steiner believes that the number 25920 is derived from "Cultural Epochs" , 25920 years for entire cycle.

MetPhys: Its unknown to me at this time, concerning its origin.

JerryIuliano: Egyptian, Biblical and Sumerian origins..... including The Book of Revelations... authors quite religious a perfect explanation for the collective unconscious effect, DG Leahy is a Jesuit priest. John of Patmos etc.

JerryIuliano: Michael L. Morton.....The infamous Michael L. Morton who believes the number 25920 is attached fundamentally to the earth grid....nutcase, but were talking "collective unconscious" here the number is his mind but is being "subjectively" interpreted. I copied the e-mail address.

JerryIuliano: D. Wilcox.....D. Wilcox, a psychic, believes the number is part of the "Great Solar Cycle"

MetPhys: What do you think is the origin of the cycle?

JerryIuliano: Finnegans Wake....writer relates the number 25920 to James Joyce's masterpiece " Finnegans Wake ".

JerryIuliano: proof.... that the number 25920 does NOT represent the precessional cycle of the earth or wobble cycle....always was preposterous idea.

MetPhys: Is that right.

JerryIuliano: Francois Masson.....Francois Masson, who believes the master number of his "cyclology" idea is 25920.

MetPhys: The number is collective unconscious?

JerryIuliano: M. Helmer in his Cahiers Astrololgues (1960) calls the number 25920 the " Ideal Pre-eminent Number" for predictions...(2^6)*(3^4)*(5^1) = 25920.

MetPhys: I see...

JerryIuliano: Jewish Holiday Cyclic measures......

MetPhys: You have been doing a lot of research...

JerryIuliano: J. Turbeville....J.Turbeville believes the velocity at the center of the earth is 25920 ft/sec... Notice all the different interpretations of this single number . I will show you the five formulas involving the electron, proton, and fine-structure constant with Beta and cosine volumne transforms.

MetPhys: Please do...

JerryIuliano: Here is another site that says proves this number is NOT the precessional number.. proof#2

JerryIuliano: Master Harmonic of 25920...writer believes in the master harmonic of 25920.

MetPhys: I see...

JerryIuliano: Deep cycles are all connected to 25920 (pdf)......writer believes in the deep cycles are all connected to 25920..... I don't even need a search engine for the 1000's of different interpretations of the "Beast" number 37*18 (666), the other constant of the "collective unconscious" constant 's connection to the electron, proton , and fine-structure constant.

JerryIuliano: I probably made some mistakes in the web addresses but I'll send you the full example with the five formulas when I get some time.

MetPhys: And I believe these various numbers can be structured as octaves of 7, possibly 8, possibly 9 and 13.

MetPhys: I'll copy this IM but send me an Email with all this within please....

JerryIuliano: Proof reading the mathematics and web addresses is difficult to get exact as far as the symbols relating to a complete understanding of what is trying to be expressed here so sometimes it takes a while.

© Copyright. Robert Grace. 2002