In a message dated 07/05/2001 2:17:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
TomBuoyed writes:
Subj: Re: A Thought on the Grid LAT of Gr. Pyr .. and more ..
To: Milamo, Peace2go, MetPhys
Go, Michael! Yes, I'm smiling and so is Arthur Young, a fellow Pennsylvanian with you in his most recent incarnation.
One question we've got to settle. Is the grid LAT of a very precise spot like the center of Stonehenge or the apex of the Great Pyramid equal to what a topographic map would give you, or is there a discrepancy?
You say the grid LAT of the apex is not on the apex but shifted north about 171 feet. I know you went through Munck's precession calculation, but I need to pin down the differences, if any, between what the Munck system calculates and what a surveyor would record, or the GPS satellite would give as the exact LONG & LAT.
Tom
From Michael,
Tom ...
Ahh !! Very good !! (-;
OK .. yes .. to address your questions and concerns ...
1) Clarifying the Grid LAT versus APEX LAT for The Great Pyramid. The Grid LAT of The Great Pyramid is well-down on the North Face, yes. It is at .. 29 (deg) X 58 (min) X 53.09041429 (sec) North .. = 89298.07684 North = 2880 X (Pi Cubed). Note the nice, "round", gematrian-like 'composite' this forms. 2880, of course, is a base-ten harmonic of 288. And, in turn, 288 is the Square Root of .. 82944.
Now; when I see the expression "Pi Cubed" .. I have to mention that it is
the Jan.1, 2000 Grid POINT Value of MINTAKA .. the Orion belt-star
positionally correlating (Bauval) to The Mycerinus Pyramid of Giza ..
(Morton, 1999, Internet). The Great Pyramid and The Mycerinus Pyramid
both model the slope angle (from base) TANGENT of .. 1.273239545 ..
which is .. (4 / Pi). The base slope angle those 2 pyramids share is ..
51.853974 arc-deg. From that, Munck found the "ASM"-significant
*form* of .. 51 (deg) X 51 (min) X 14.30508728 (sec) .. = 37207.53202
I then found the_identical_figure as the Grid LAT of Jan.1, 2000
SOLAR APEX sky-location .. (Morton, 2000, Internet) .. 37207.53202 .. = 53 (deg) X 26 (min) X 27.00111177 (sec) North of ecliptic.
{ http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/mag/astfixst.htm }.
Look down the list .. all the way .. to 'CENTRE' and 'APEX'.
P> Getting back to your questions and concerns.
You can see that .. the Grid LAT of The Great Pyramid is over 2 arc-seconds_North_of the Apex. This is a special case. Usually, a structure/site's Grid POINT Value is, in fact, at the *center* of the given site/structure.
Of course .. when you consider The Great Pyramid as the true (current) prime meridian "marker" on Earth's surface .. you then can understand that the Grid LAT of The Great Pyramid should "inter-act" with the value "360" .. being the designated number of prime meridians in the "ASM" .. to produce a "key" Grid POINT Value. And that is true .. because ..
..
(89298.07684 / 360) = 248.0502134 = (2Pi) Cubed.
There's "2Pi" being highlighted .. Cubed, at that.
The designers evidently wanted to show the "ideal" Earth precession
cycle of 25920 (years), involved in the_placement_of The Great Pyramid,
as well as certain aspects of "2Pi" .. and, as it appears .. they wanted
to correlate that, in some "self-evident" way, with a certain figure for Earth's equatorial circumference in statute miles .. !!! .. via the TANGENT of said equatorial circumference.
Munck found that the designers are referencing a_specific_equatorial
circumference for Earth, in terms of statute miles !! The TANGENT of .. "24901.54558" .. is_virtually-equivalent-to ... the Cube Root of .. "2Pi".
1.845270149 = Cube Root of 6.283185307
TANGENT of 24901.54558 is .. 1.845270038 .. and considering
that is a TANGENT .. it is_extremely_close to a "match" of "1.845270149".
Possibly .. just pure conjecture .. that "particular" equatorial circumference was, in fact, the "real case" back at the time of the "dedication" of this *phase* of the "ASM" .. just after the last "polar shift" of Earth .. possibly around 10,500 B.C.
(25920 / 24901.54558) = 1.040899245 ...
(89298.07684 / 1.040899245) = 85789.35691 ... = 29 (deg) X 58 (min) X 51.00437391 (sec) North .. Munck's (1992, "The Code", self-published) *APEX LAT* for The Great Pyramid of Giza.
Then, along I came .. to bring even more intrigue to the party.
I was looking for an "APEX" figure that would_really_resonate dramatically with the Grid LAT of 'The D&M Pyramid' @ Cydonia.
I noticed that a certain figure .. "85788.15751" .. really does correlate
nicely with the 9929.184894 North .. = 40 (deg) X 52 (min) X 4.773646584 (sec) North .. that Munck had found (1992, "The Code") for 'The D&M Pyramid' Grid LAT. (This one is actually *centered* on the monument).
(85788.15751 / 9929.184894) = 8.64
Nice.
I wanted to see the "D&M" correlate sweetly like this with the
Apex latitude of The Great Pyramid .. because both of these pyramids
are prime meridian "markers" in the "ASM" for their respective planetary
surfaces.
Well .. the "85788.15751" correlates nicely with a lot of key "ASM" figures. So .. I have an APEX Grid LAT that, for The Great Pyramid of Giza .. that is actually LESS than one regular ("British") inch away, in terms of latitude .. from Munck's "85789.35691".
I think BOTH of those "APEX LATs" are valid and significant, because they BOTH correlate to the "ASM" in specific and significant ways, mathematically.
Yes ... 29 deg 58 min 51.004 sec is the TRUE APEX latitude, that a surveyor would find there at The Great Pyramid .. at the center of where the Apex really is.
Watch ..
(85788.15751 / 248.0502134) / 480.3471728 = 0.72
Decimal harmonic of 72 .. the "ideal" number of years it takes for one arc-degree of Earth precession. And you know how geometrically significant 72 is, of course.
There, you have both the original Apex Height, in regular feet .. and the Grid POINT Value !!
Regarding topographical maps .. YES .. an emphatic YES .. these Grid LATs and Grid LONGs are_exactly_where the most updated, satellite-accurate, official topo maps show them to be.
The updated topo maps, at least the USGS 7.5-minute Series
Quadrangles .. are defined as "updated" if they are 1983-NAD
accurate .. that is .. if they are satellite-accurate as of the "IRAS" 1983 satellite photos that were done extensively of the USA.
For "pre-1983" USGS 7.5-minute Series Quadrangles .. there are dashed "hash-marks" in the margin-corners .. showing the exact_adjustment_for both lat and long, to adjust to the 1983 "NAD" .. "North American Datum".
I work with these official USGS topo maps, for any sites in the USA,
as a rule of thumb.
It is very important to try to get good maps for this work.
If we could get good maps for central China, for example .. I could quickly figure-out the "ASM" numbers for the Chinese Pyramids. Same with the Yonaguni sites off the coast of Japan ... I only need a good topo map .. or .. a map with relatively accurate lat/long indicated.
I found the "ASM" figures for the major buildings in Washington, D.C.,
with those 7.5-minute Series USGS Quad topo maps ..
and they were already updated to 1983 NAD.
-- Michael L.M.
99.23.2 Re: Just a short Addendum .. (Michael Morton)
I just also want to clarify .. just in case you might still have some confusion over the "Grid LAT" vs. APEX LATcase of The Great Pyramid.
The Grid POINT Value is always the intersection_point_of Grid LAT
and Grid LONG .. even if that intersection-point is not physically at the "APEX" of the structure.
In the special, rare case of The Great Pyramid of Giza .. its Grid POINT Value is both_on_the prime meridian .. in the longitudinal center of the (physical) pyramid .. AND at the Grid LAT .. which is over 2 arc-seconds north of the APEX.
Again .. this is a special case.
-- Michael L.M.
99.23.3 Re: Grid LAT of Gr. Pyr
(TomBuoyed)
Michael,
Thanks for clarifying that. I see now that the grid LAT is not the apex. --- which brings to mind the question about the Sphinx. Where on the Sphinx is its grid point located?
And back to the Great Pyramid. I see now that the discrepancy encodes the precession --- as does the fact that the ellipses and not perfect circles of the Sarsen circle at Stonehenge --- between the inner and the outer circles ---probably encode precession as well.
Now let's review my to my use of the 82944 number and your correction of it.
So, the APEX lat of Great Pyramid is = 29 (deg) X 58 (min) X 51.00366083 sec. = 85788.15751
And making the grid value 82944 means that
29 (deg) X 58 (min) X 49.31272295 sec. = 82944
The difference in arc-sec is 1.690937881, which comes out to about 171 feet.
I had come up with a figure of 383 feet because I calculated it from the grid LAT point on the other side of the apex. I understand that now. But even though this distance is not centered on the apex, the 383 ft. figure is close to the half-length of the pyramid base, right? Using Munck's figures, the half base length should be 754 / 2 = 377 ft.
Now the reason the half-base length is significant is that such a length is the radius of a circle inscribed in the square base. That is to say: the perimeter of any square is 8 times the length of the radius of the inscribed circle in the square.
I don't know if this is significant at all. I suppose it would be nice to know what is directly underneath these points on the pyramid.
Tom
99.23.4 More on Apex (TomBuoyed)
Michael,
Here's what you sent me earlier today.
Using the APEX GRID LAT ... 85788.15751 ....
82944 / 85788.15751 ... times ... (Pi to the 8th power) .. = 9173.955234 ...
Then ... times Radian (deg) of 57.29577951 ... = 525628.9163 .. EXACTLY 10 times the Stonehenge Grid LONG of 52562.89163 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where did you get PI^8 ? Are there any other places it's been used?
Also, when you multiply by radians, you are multiplying by 180/PI
Therefore, PI^8 x 180/PI = 180 x PI^7
To keep from getting bogged down in decimals, I like to keep it at 180/PI and see what cancels out. That gives me a better sense of the figures.
Tom
MetPhys wrote:
Toms Ratios and quote:
"One last thing about the ratios. It turns out that the ratio of ratios
is exactly 3. Divide those numbers and you get exactly 3."
8.162097134 / 2.720699046 = 2.9999999985 (Close enough?)
Vs / Vt ratio = 8.162097134
As / At ratio = 2.720699046
Robert Grace
From: Tom
No, it's exactly 3. We're getting bogged down in decimals and truncation/rounding by our pocket calculators. Here's why the ratio is exactly 3. I go back to the use of square roots.
Vs = SQRT(6)*PI/8
Vs/Vt = 1.5 * SQRT(3) * PI
As = 1.5 * PI
As/At = 1.5 * PI / SQRT(3)
Now divide the ratios.
(Vs/Vt)/(As/At) = 3 because:
The 1.5 * PI terms cancel out and what's left is
SQRT(3)*SQRT (3) = 3
Tom
99.23.6 Re: Exactly 3 (MetPhys)
To JerryIuliano, Code UFO, Peace2go, Milamo, TomBuoyed:
Are these rational whole numbers as products of irrationals, beginning to suggest a rational whole number component to universe?
Robert Grace
From: Jerry
Sir:
I believe the system is equivalent to a multi-dimensional Pythagorean form - Fermat's Last Theorem, which requires only integer.
J.Iuliano
99.23.7 Re: Grid LAT of Gr. Pyr (Michael Morton)
In a message dated 07/05/2001 6:24:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, TomBuoyed writes:
Michael,
Thanks for clarifying that. I see now that the grid LAT is not the apex. --- which brings to mind the question about the Sphinx. Where on the Sphinx is its grid point located?
And back to the Great Pyramid. I see now that the discrepancy encodes the precession --- as does the fact that the ellipses and not perfect circles of the Sarsen circle at Stonehenge --- between the inner and the outer circles ---probably encode precession as well.
Now let's review my to my use of the 82944 number and your correction of it.
So, the APEX lat of Great Pyramid is = 29 (deg) X 58 (min) X 51.00366083 sec. = 85788.15751
And making the grid value 82944 means that
29 (deg) X 58 (min) X 49.31272295 sec. = 82944
The difference in arc-sec is 1.690937881, which comes out to about 171 feet.
I had come up with a figure of 383 feet because I calculated it from the grid LAT point on the other side of the apex. I understand that now. But even though this distance is not centered on the apex, the 383 ft. figure is close to the half-length of the pyramid base, right? Using Munck's figures, the half base length should be 754 / 2 = 377 ft.
Now the reason the half-base length is significant is that such a length is the radius of a circle inscribed in the square base. That is to say: the perimeter of any square is 8 times the length of the radius of the inscribed circle in the square.
I don't know if this is significant at all. I suppose it would be nice to know what is directly underneath these points on the pyramid.
Tom
From: Michael,
Tom ..
Yes ... you've got that, now .. yes !! Here's something as follow-up to your mention of the circle inside the square .. pyramid base in this case.
The "8" .. remember how I pulled "Pi, the 8th power", out of the air ? The square-based, 4-sided Giza pyramids .. the 3 main ones .. implies another 4 sides "underground" .. 8 sides .. an octagon. Also .. The Grid POINT Value of The Great Pyramid .. (2Pi) Cubed, or 248.0502134 ... = 8 X (Pi Cubed).
(Pi Cubed) is the Jan.1, 2000 Grid POINT Value of MINTAKA in Orion's belt.
Half the base-length of Great Pyr is .. (754.5275746 / 2) = 377.2637873 regular feet.
Of course .. 480.3471728 / 377.2637873 = (4 / Pi).
Recall my SOLAR APEX Jan.1, 2000 Grid POINT Value .. of .. 2.842446068 .. and, its 37207.53202 Grid LAT .. which is the "ASM" form of the base slope angle of the Great Pyramid .. = 51 (deg) X 51 (min) X 14.30508728 (sec).
2.842446068 / (4 / Pi) = 2.232451921 .. and that's a decimal harmonic of the Jan.1, 2000 Grid LONG of REGULUS !!! 22324.51921 E.ALNITAK .. = 65 (deg) X 08 (min) X 42.93176771 (sec) E.ALNITAK.
(Morton, 1999, Internet).
-- Michael L.M.
99.23.8 Re: Grid LAT of Gr. Pyr
(MetPhys)
From: MetPhys
Michael's data just confirmed, above, Re: Grid LAT of Gr. Pyr (Michael Morton)
as I hypothesized, that the Giza Pyramid is actually an octahedral 8-sided monument, (Grace, 1999), half "underground"; the "hidden" half, the "hidden dimension" of what we see.
Its builders,
not of uncorrupted morals
The Giza Pyramids octahedral shape is also the exact octahedral shape and angle of all crystals in planes of perfectly conducting metals such as gold, silver, platinum, copper and several more metals. I also read somewhere that the side angle 51' 51" 14.305 sec. can be converted to the precise rate of the expansion of universal space, if calculated properly, if anyone wishes to try that, implying that this universal space expansion is "enclosed" within an octahedral shape, which also implies that the builders knew far more about space and atomics than most could even imagine they knew. When will we wake up and turn from outside to inside? 2003 or 2012?
Robert Grace
© Copyright. Robert Grace. 2001
Date: 07/05/2001 2:17:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: TomBuoyed
Vt = SQRT(2)/12
At = SQRT(3)
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