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                          VP wanted Isreael to attack Iranian nuke site
                          
                          Vice President Dick Cheney: 
                                              Another day, another controversy (AFP 
                                              Photo) US Vice President Richard Cheney 
                                        has considered provoking an exchange of 
                                        military strikes between Iran and Israel 
                                        in order to give the United States a 
                                        pretext to attack Iran, Newsweek 
                                        magazine reported in its Monday issue. But the weekly said the steady 
                                        departure of neoconservatives from the 
                                        administration over the past two years 
                                        had helped tilt the balance away from 
                                        war. One official who pushed a 
                                        particularly hawkish line on Iran was 
                                        David Wurmser, who had served since 2003 
                                        as Cheney's Middle East adviser, the 
                                        report said. A spokeswoman at Cheney's office 
                                        confirmed to Newsweek that Wurmser left 
                                        his position last month to "spend more 
                                        time with his family." A few months before he quit, 
                                        Wurmser told a small group of people 
                                        that Cheney had been mulling the idea of 
                                        pushing for limited Israeli missile 
                                        strikes against the Iranian nuclear site 
                                        at Natanz -- and perhaps other sites -- 
                                        in order to provoke Tehran into lashing 
                                        out, the magazine reported, citing two 
                                        unnamed "knowledgeable sources." The Iranian reaction would then 
                                        give Washington a pretext to launch 
                                        strikes against military and nuclear 
                                        targets in Iran, Newsweek reported. When Newsweek attempted to reach 
                                        Wurmser for comment, his wife, Meyrav, 
                                        declined to put him on the phone and 
                                        said the allegations were untrue, the 
                                        report said. A spokeswoman at Cheney's office 
                                        told the weekly the vice president 
                                        "supports the president's policy on 
                                        Iran."Copyright © 2007 Agence France 
                                              Presse 10-21-07 Cheney: Iran faces 'serious consequences' 
                                over nuclear driveLANSDOWNE, United States (AFP) — Vice 
                                President Dick Cheney said Sunday the United 
                                States would not permit Iran to get nuclear 
                                weapons and warned of "serious consequences" if 
                                it refuses to stop enriching uranium. Cheney, considered the US administration's 
                                toughest hardliner on Iran, did not mention the 
                                possibility of military action amid reports that 
                                President George W. Bush could be laying the 
                                stage for war with the Islamic republic. "The Iranian regime needs to know that if it 
                                stays on its present course, the international 
                                community is prepared to impose serious 
                                consequences," he said in a speech to the 
                                Washington Institute for Near East Policy. "The United States joins other nations in 
                                sending a clear message: We will not allow Iran 
                                to have a nuclear weapon," he said, after Bush 
                                warned last week that a nuclear-equipped Iran 
                                evoked the threat of "World War III." "Our country and the entire international 
                                community cannot stand by as a terror-supporting 
                                state fulfills its most aggressive ambitions," 
                                Cheney said, accusing Iran anew of abetting 
                                attacks on US troops in Iraq. Cheney's warning to Iran recalled UN Security 
                                Council resolutions in 2002 that Iraqi dictator 
                                Saddam Hussein faced "serious consequences" if 
                                he failed to come clean on his alleged 
                                stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction. Speaking on CNN Sunday, Democratic 
                                Representative Jane Harman said the 
                                administration's threatening language against 
                                Iran was "very dangerous." "We heard about mushroom clouds and other 
                                images before the military action in Iraq. I 
                                wish the president would avoid that," she said, 
                                calling for tougher UN sanctions on Iran instead 
                                of "war-mongering threats." Unbowed by the morass faced now by the United 
                                States in Iraq, and by warnings that the US 
                                military is dangerously overstretched, the 
                                hawkish Cheney reportedly favors attacking Iran. In a New Yorker article last month, 
                                celebrated investigative reporter Seymour Hersh 
                                said there was US planning for "surgical" raids 
                                against Iran's Revolutionary Guards, which 
                                Washington accuses of targeting its forces in 
                                Iraq. On the campaign trail for next year's White 
                                House race, top Republicans and Democratic 
                                frontrunner Hillary Clinton also insist that 
                                they will never tolerate a nuclear-armed Iran 
                                menacing its neighbors and Israel. Clinton last month voted for a Senate 
                                resolution that declared the Revolutionary 
                                Guards a terror organization -- a step that her 
                                Democratic rival Barack Obama said represented a 
                                "blank check" for Bush to wage war on Iran. Iran, which insists it only wants peaceful 
                                nuclear energy, has brushed aside US warnings, 
                                and announced Saturday that its top nuclear 
                                negotiator Ali Larijani had resigned and was 
                                being replaced by an ally of hardline President 
                                Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. In a gloomy speech that ranged over threats 
                                facing the United States from Islamic terrorism, 
                                and the need for Congress to renew controversial 
                                surveillance tactics, Cheney also said that 
                                Washington would not abandon Iraq. "We're going to complete the mission so that 
                                another generation of Americans does not need to 
                                go back and do it again," he said. Cheney also accused Syria of using "bribery 
                                and intimidation" to undermine Lebanon's 
                                upcoming presidential election and said the vote 
                                should go ahead "free of any foreign 
                                interference." In May Cheney declared, from the potent venue 
                                of a US aircraft carrier steaming in the Gulf, 
                                that the United States would not let Iran 
                                acquire nuclear arms. Middle East experts who spoke at the 
                                Washington Institute conference after Cheney's 
                                speech noted that US rhetoric against Iran was 
                                being sharply escalated. "The language on Iran is quite significant," 
                                former Middle East presidential envoy Dennis 
                                Ross said. "That's very strong words and it does 
                                have implications." Commenting on Bush's "World War III" warning, 
                                Jane's Information Group Alex Vatanka said: "The 
                                United States could take care of Iran militarily 
                                in short order. "But it's still not useful for policymakers 
                                to use this kind of alarmist talk, even if Bush 
                                feels that Iran is an urgent issue that needs to 
                                be dealt with in his remaining time in office," 
                                he told AFP. 
                         
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      | R E G I O N: ‘Bush’s World War III remark 
              was rhetorical’ 10-20-07 * Top military officer says US has the 
              resources to attack Iran if needed despite Iraq, Afghanistan 
              engagements
 WASHINGTON: The White House says President George W Bush was 
              simply making “a rhetorical point” when he suggested that if Iran 
              could make nuclear weapons, it could lead to World War III.
 
 “The president was not making any war plans, and he wasn’t making 
              any declarations,” White House press secretary Dana Perino said 
              Thursday. “He was making a point, and the point is that we do not 
              believe - and neither does the international community believe - 
              that Iran should be allowed to pursue nuclear weapons.”
 
 If Iran acquired nuclear weapons, she said, “that would lead to a 
              very dangerous - a potentially dangerous situation, and 
              potentially lead to a scenario where you have World War III. But 
              he was using that as a rhetorical point, not, you know, making a 
              declaration.”
 
 Bush, at a news conference on Wednesday, said, “I’ve told people 
              that if you’re interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like 
              you ought to be interested in preventing them (Iran) from having 
              the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon.” Iran denounced 
              Bush’s comment. “This sort of policy will jeopardize peace and 
              security at the international level, and is a barrier for peace,” 
              the Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Mohammad Ali Hosseini, 
              said in a statement.
 
 Hosseini said Bush was resorting to “warlike rhetoric” to divert 
              the American public’s attention from White House failures on 
              international issues such as Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
 ‘US capable of attacking Iran: While military action against Iran 
              would be is a last resort, the United States has the resources to 
              attack if needed despite the strains of wars in Iraq and 
              Afghanistan, says the top US military officer. Navy Adm Michael 
              Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the focus 
              now is on diplomacy to stem Iran’s alleged nuclear ambitions and 
              its support for insurgents in Iraq.
 
 But, he told reporters, “there is more than enough reserve to 
              respond (militarily) if that, in fact, is what the national 
              leadership wanted to do.” Defence Secretary Robert Gates said 
              Iran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons could set off an arms race 
              in the Middle East. “The risk of an accident or a miscalculation 
              or of those weapons or materials falling into the hands of 
              terrorists seem to me to be substantially increased,” he said.
 
 Appearing together before reporters for the first time since 
              Mullen became chairman on Oct 1, the two expressed unease about 
              Iran and Turkey, hot spots commanding attention even as the 
              military focuses on the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Gates 
              also said he believes that Russian President Vladimir Putin is 
              serious about trying to play a constructive role in resolving the 
              crisis over Iran’s nuclear programme.
 
 “President Putin takes Iran seriously as a security concern for 
              Russia, and I think they are prepared to take some actions as 
              befits that,” Gates said. Mullen said the US military is working 
              hard to stem the flow from Iran into Afghanistan of high-tech 
              materials for roadside bombs. The military has said that parts 
              from the armour-piercing bombs, which have killed hundreds of 
              troops in Iraq, are now getting into Afghanistan.
 
 Mullen said he is not aware of any high-level Iranian government 
              connection to the weapons in Afghanistan, although officials have 
              said that is a concern in Iraq. ap
 
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      | 19/10/2007  From Israel, it 
                  looks different By
                  Aluf Benn This is the assessment of the situation at 
                  the top diplomatic and military levels in Israel: Iran is 
                  moving, unhindered, toward a nuclear bomb. Blocking it with 
                  economic sanctions has failed, mainly because Russia, Germany 
                  and Italy refuse to stop doing business with the Iranians. Two 
                  options remain on the table: to come to terms with Iran's 
                  nuclearization because there is no alternative, or to stop it 
                  by force.
 
 The United States has military capability, but there is 
                  opposition within the administration to an action in Iran. The 
                  chances of an American attack appear small; the final decision 
                  will be taken by President George W. Bush. In Jerusalem they 
                  are finding it difficult to assess what will weigh most in the 
                  president's thinking - the strategic and political 
                  considerations against another war after the imbroglio in Iraq 
                  or his belief it is incumbent upon him to free the world from 
                  the nightmare of nuclear weapons in the hands of Iranian 
                  Supreme Leader Ali Khamanei and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
 
 Recent weeks have seen a lively debate in the U.S. about what 
                  should be done regarding Iran - either dialogue, which would 
                  mean coming to terms with the nuclear program, or war. 
                  American strategists are talking about "the Cuban missile 
                  crisis in slow motion" and are looking for a third way between 
                  attack and acceptance. In Israel, there is no such debate, 
                  except within a narrow circle of those who are knowledgeable 
                  and interested. Israel, it seems, is waiting for Bush's 
                  decision, which will be taken during the coming year, before 
                  it decides to attack Iran itself.
 
 The public debate in America reveals the 
                  different outlooks of the decision-makers in Jerusalem and in 
                  Washington. From here, the Iranian threat looks much more 
                  palpable and scarier and the response much simpler and more 
                  focused. Presumably, Iran, like Iraq and Syria in their turn, 
                  will find it hard to respond. Perhaps it will launch some 
                  missiles at Israel plus Hezbollah rockets from Lebanon, and 
                  perhaps it will initiate a terror attack on an Israeli target 
                  abroad. This would be painful but bearable and would be 
                  perceived as a justified price for getting rid of an 
                  existential threat.
 
 In American parlance, "attacking Iran" sounds like a World War 
                  III, as Bush warned on Wednesday: weeks of bombing Iran's 
                  military and civilian infrastructures, following attempts at 
                  dialogue and an open ultimatum that would be followed by the 
                  blocking of oil supplies to the West and acts of terror in 
                  which thousands of Americans are killed, if not an all-Muslim 
                  jihad against America that lasts for years. Of course, the 
                  danger of destabilizing the world order and economic 
                  destruction in the West seems excessive in the face of a few 
                  nuclear bombs in Iraq.
 
 When Israelis talk about "the point of no return" in the 
                  Iranian nuclear program, they are referring to "crossing the 
                  technological threshold." That is, the moment the Iranian 
                  engineers and scientists get hold of the knowledge of how to 
                  produce nuclear weapons and are able to replicate it, even if 
                  the existing installations are destroyed by bombs or shut down 
                  in the wake of diplomatic negotiations. The American red line 
                  is the more distant date, when Iran has an operational bomb.
 
 The differences in outlook are understandable. Someone who 
                  lives in Chicago or Miami can live comfortably with an Iranian 
                  bomb, just as he lived under the Soviet threat. An inhabitant 
                  of Tel Aviv, whom the president of Iran is threatening to 
                  deport to Alaska or Canada, must be far more worried.
 
 "The world" is aware of these differences and in its refusal 
                  of sanctions and serious organization against Iran, it is 
                  quietly pushing Israel toward a decision to attack. The 
                  international silence that greeted the action in Syria could 
                  be interpreted as encouragement of Israeli muscle-flexing. The 
                  exchanges of threats between Israel and Iran have met 
                  indifference in the international community, at least until 
                  Bush's speech on Wednesday, in comparison to the concern and 
                  efforts focused on the Palestinian issue. Perhaps an American 
                  expert who has been following events for years was on target 
                  when he said: "You h ave a million and a half Palestinians in 
                  Gaza who could march on Tel Aviv tomorrow, and you're worried 
                  about nuclear weapons in Iran?"
 
 However, from Israel it looks different: In the eyes of the 
                  decision-makers, we will manage somehow with the Palestinians. 
                  But the Iranian threat is perceived as intolerable. Anyone who 
                  thinks otherwise does not dare speak out openly, at least not 
                  until it emerges that either there is a way to stop the 
                  Iranians, or that it is already too late.
 
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| As Bush warns 
                      of WWIII, Peres and Putin in war of words
          By Israel Insider staff October 
                      18, 2007
          US President George 
                      W. Bush warned Wednesday that if Iran gains nuclear 
                      capability, there could be a third world war, according to 
                      the New York Times.
 
 "We've got a leader in Iran who has announced that he 
                      wants to destroy Israel," Mr Bush told a White House press 
                      conference.
 
 "So I've told people that, if you're interested in 
                      avoiding World War Three, it seems like you ought to be 
                      interested in preventing them from having the knowledge 
                      necessary to make a nuclear weapon."
 
 Bush's remarks came as Russian Prime Minister Vladamir 
                      Putin met with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinjad and 
                      expressed doubts that Iran was pursuing a nuclear arms 
                      program.
 
 President Shimon Peres said that governments throughout 
                      the world have proof that Iran is pursuing a nuclear arms 
                      program, in a statement issued in response to Russian 
                      President's objection to imposing further sanctions on 
                      Iran.
 
 "Even if [Russian President Vladimir] Putin says he is not 
                      convinced, that Iran is conducting nuclear development for 
                      the purpose of war, everyone know their true intentions, 
                      and many intelligence agencies throughout the world have 
                      proof that Iran is seeking to develop nuclear weapons for 
                      the purpose of war and death," Haaretz quoted Peres as 
                      saying.
 
 Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announced on Wednesday that he 
                      is to meet with Putin as part of a plan to gain support to 
                      lobby the United Nations Security Council members for 
                      tougher sanctions on Iran.
 
 Putin recently concluded a visit to Teheran to meet with 
                      Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, marking the first 
                      time a Russian leader since Stalin visited Iran's capital. 
                      The president called for "direct dialogue" with Iran, 
                      saying it was the "more productive and is the shortest 
                      path to success, rather than a policy of threats, 
                      sanctions, and all the more so resolution by using force."
 
 Opposition leader Binyamin Netanyahu echoed Peres' concern 
                      in a phone conversation with Olmert, stressing the urgency 
                      of the Iranian crisis.
 
 "In Israel we are all united in the belief that Iran must 
                      not obtain nuclear arms. On this issue Israel has no 
                      coalition and opposition," Netanyahu told the prime 
                      minister, according to the Jerusalem Post.
 
 Olmert, however, does not appear to need convincing. "We 
                      must not underestimate Iran's statements about 
                      annihilating Israel or moving it to Alaska," Olmert said 
                      Wednesday at a gathering of dozens of mayors from around 
                      the world.
 
 "Sometimes we don't take [President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's 
                      statements] seriously, but we must not forget who is 
                      making them. He is the president of a state with a 
                      population of 70 million, which has military and 
                      technological capabilities and advanced weapons," he 
                      continued.
 
 Iran to fire '11,000 rockets in minute' if attacked 
                  
                  Oct 20 07:28 AM US/EasternIran warned on Saturday it would 
                  fire off 11,000 rockets at enemy bases within the space of a 
                  minute if the United States launched military action against 
                  the Islamic republic. "In the first minute of an invasion by the enemy, 11,000 
                  rockets and cannons would be fired at enemy bases," said a 
                  brigadier general in the elite Revolutionary Guards, Mahmoud 
                  Chaharbaghi.   "This volume and speed of firing would continue," added 
                  Chaharbaghi, who is commander of artillery and missiles of the 
                  Guards' ground forces, according to the semi-official Fars 
                  news agency.   The United States has never ruled out attacking Iran to end 
                  its defiance over the controversial Iranian nuclear programme, 
                  which the US alleges is aimed at making nuclear weapons but 
                  Iran insists is entirely peaceful.   Iran has for its part vowed never to initiate an attack but 
                  has also warned of a crushing response to any act of 
                  aggression against its soil.   "If a war breaks out in the future, it will not last long 
                  because we will rub their noses in the dirt," said Chaharbaghi.
                  
                   "Now the enemy should ask themselves how many of their 
                  people they are ready to have sacrificed for their stupidity 
                  in attacking Iran," he said.   Iranian officials have repeatedly warned the military would 
                  target the bases of US forces operating in neighbouring Iraq 
                  and Afghanistan in the event of any attack and already has 
                  these sites under close surveillance.   Chaharbaghi said that the Guards would soon receive 
                  "rockets with a range of 250 kilometres (155 miles)" whereas 
                  the current range of its rockets is 150 kilometres (91 miles).
                  
                   "We have identified our targets and with a close 
                  surveillance of targets, we can respond to the enemy's 
                  stupidity immediately," Chaharbaghi added.   He said that the Guards' weapons were spread out throughout 
                  the country and so would not be affected by any isolated US 
                  strikes against military facilities.   
 
            
              | 
              “Powerful Iran” war game to be heldTehran Times Political Desk
 
 
              TEHRAN, Oct. 20 , 2007 (MNA) – A massive war game codenamed 
              “powerful Iran” will be held near Qom on October 23-25, the 
              Commander of Basij (volunteer) Forces in Ministries and 
              Organizations Masoud Chinigar-Zadeh said on Saturday.  
              The maneuver in which ten thousand Basijs 
              will participate is aimed at boosting the Basij forces’ defense 
              capabilities, Chinigar-Zadeh insisted. 
 The commander said the main characteristic of this war game is 
              that it will be held far from capital Tehran and in the vicinity 
              of Qom.
 
 Through maneuvers Basijs show that they are always prepared to 
              protect the country’s borders against any possible invasion by the 
              enemies, he pointed out
 
 
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              | U.S. army chief: Iraq 
              war has sapped ability to fight Iran |  
              |  |  
              | By Haaretz Service |  
              |  |  
              | 10-21-07 |  
              | The new chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of 
              Staff said in an interview published Monday that the prolonged 
              military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan may have undermined the 
              military's ability to fight wars against major adversaries - 
              including Iran.
 
 With the United States already heavily committed in wars in two 
              Muslim countries, Joint Chiefs Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen told 
              The New york Times that an offensive against Iran, a third Mideast 
              Islamic state "has extraordinary challenges and risks associated 
              with it." He counseled against an immediate attack on Iran, saying 
              that the military option should be a last resort.
 
 But Mullen warned Iran and other nations not to "mistake restraint 
              for lack of commitment or lack of concern or lack of capability."
 Because we have had such an intense focus 
              on the Middle East and Iraq and Afghanistan, there is risk 
              associated with those other parts of the world," Admiral Mullen 
              said. 
 Asked whether the American military should aim at sites inside 
              Iran if intelligence indicated that such action could stem the 
              flow of bombs into Iraq, he said "the risks could be very, very 
              high."
 
 "We're in a conflict in two countries out there right now," he 
              added. "We have to be incredibly thoughtful about the potential of 
              in fact getting into a conflict with a third country in that part 
              of the world."
 
 Speaking of his visits to soldiers and marines in Iraq and 
              Afghanistan in recent weeks, Mullen said: "They're tired. They've 
              been doing unbelievably great work for our country. And we need to 
              make sure we take care of them and their families."
 
 Regarding prolonged and repeated deployments for the ground forces 
              in Iran and Afghanistan, he said, "The ground forces are not 
              broken, but they are breakable."
 
 
 WHY SATURN?  WHAT DOES 
              IT MEAN?ASTROTABLETALK Saturn-Neptune Opposition again. The first 
                                crossing is in just a few days, so it's already 
                                happening, and I can see one theme at least that 
                                hadn't occurred to me in advance: film stars 
                                being brought down to earth! First we had Mel 
                                Gibson a few weeks ago, caught on tape, 
                                drunkenly blaming the Jews for all the wars on 
                                the planet. This could easily spell the end of 
                                his career. And now Tom Cruise has been sacked 
                                by Paramount, his film studio - and with a few 
                                barbs from Sumner Redstone, the boss, about 
                                Cruise's erratic behaviour, his 'creative 
                                suicide'. But, of course, a lot of it came down 
                                to money. Maybe this transit will bring about a 
                                re-adjustment of the power of individual stars 
                                vs the studios.SATURN-NEPTUNE (YET AGAIN)
 
 I predicted a few weeks ago that the transit 
                                could bring about a reality check on the 
                                consumer credit boom, due to a Venus-Jupiter 
                                Square being involved with the first moment of 
                                the Saturn-Neptune Opposition on 31st August. 
                                What I didn't think of was that this could work 
                                both ways - ie the lenders could get a reality 
                                check, and in the news today (in the UK) the 
                                banks are being given a hard time over their 
                                rates of credit card interest.
 
 Then there is Iran, which today boasted of 
                                having opened a heavy water reactor, the next 
                                stage in its project to develop nuclear power - 
                                and, though it denies this, nuclear weapons (See 
                                my earlier blog on Iran, where the astrology 
                                strongly suggests its intention is to create 
                                weapons, as if we needed telling!)
 
 Iran: 1 April 1979, 15:00, Tehran.
 
 Iran's ASC/DESC axis is at 17 Leo/Aquarius, just 
                                one degree off the current Saturn-Neptune 
                                Opposition. The 7th House is the House of Open 
                                Enemies, and Neptune is entering it. So who is 
                                deceiving who? I really don't think that Iran is 
                                deceiving anyone. We all know exactly what they 
                                are up to, we just can't be quite sure of 
                                exactly how advanced they are in their intention 
                                to build nuclear weapons. So here is today's 
                                astrological insight: THE DECEPTION IS THEREFORE 
                                IRAN'S SELF-DECEPTION ABOUT HER ENEMIES, IN THAT 
                                IRAN THINKS THAT NO-ONE WILL STOP HER DEVELOPING 
                                NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Iran is certainly behaving as 
                                if it thinks that. As for today's announcement 
                                by Iran that Israel has nothing to fear: Iran 
                                has natal Mars square to Neptune, and transiting 
                                Mars square Pluto is currently hard-impacting 
                                that. The announcement was, astrologically, a 
                                declaration of war. Israel responded by saying 
                                it would prepare itself militarily.
 
 Given that it is Iran that is deceiving itself 
                                about its enemies (for we are not deceived), we 
                                can therefore expect a surgical attack sooner or 
                                later to destroy its nuclear programme. OK, the 
                                USA is in a weakened position internationally, 
                                and may have to opt out. But for Israel it is a 
                                SURVIVAL issue. Israel will feel it has to act 
                                regardless of the international consquences, for 
                                Iran (in the person of its President) has vowed 
                                to wipe Israel off the map. (As has much of the 
                                rest of the Arab world).
 
 Israel 14th May 1948 16:00 Tel Aviv
 
 Saturn-Neptune is the main transit hitting 
                                Israel's Chart at the moment, hard aspecting its 
                                fixed Sun-Saturn/Pluto-Chiron t-Square. A pretty 
                                heavy natal configuration, that also has Mars at 
                                28 Leo hovering in the wings, square to the Sun 
                                and Chiron. So it is easily roused to battle, 
                                and fearsome. Saturn-Pluto-Chiron indicates 
                                Israel's origins in the worst of what humans can 
                                do to each other - the 19th century pogroms as 
                                well as the holocaust - but also suggests that 
                                Israel itself is capable of the worst sort of 
                                behaviour. It will stop at nothing. So Iran be 
                                warned, especially as Israel's Saturn-Pluto in 
                                Leo sits close to Iran's Ascendant. This 
                                synastry has yet to be activated, but it may be 
                                Saturn-Neptune that does it.
 The Guards are Iran's elite ideological army and 
                  responsible for its most significant weapons such as the 
                  longer range Shahab-3 missile which has Israel and US bases in 
                  the Middle East within its range.   FROM:
              
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                Hogue Prophecy Bulletin 53 (22 July 2006)
 UNDER SKIES PORTENDING WAR:(1.) Israel Attacked and Attacking Iranian 
              backed Hezbullah and Hamas. (2.) Iranians aid and abet North Korea's Missile Tests.
 (3.) While Lebanon burns and Iraq Descends into open Civil War.
 
                
                  All material © John Hogue
 
 
                  La republique 
                  miserable infelice,Sera vastee de nouueau magistrat:
 Leur grand amas de l'exile malefice,
 Fera Sueue rauir leur grand contracts.
 Nostradamus (1556) 
                  Century 4 Quatrain 66 
                    
                    In the year when Saturn and Mars are 
                    equally fiery,The air is very dry, a long comet:
 From hidden fires a great place burns with heat,
 Little rain, hot wind, wars and raids.
 Friends,
 The Nostradamian prophecy suggesting great heat waves, hidden 
                  fires, wars and raids during a future transit of Mars across 
                  Saturn in the fire sign of Leo seems to be about our times. 
                  Mars began its transit of Leo on 4 June, conjoining with 
                  Saturn in mid June. Mars ends the transit of Leo later today 
                  (22 July).
 
 I write this on the eleventh day of what I will call the 
                  Israeli-Hezbullah War. It began when a terrorist unit of 
                  Hezbullah raided an Israeli armored personnel carrier, killed 
                  eight and abducted two Israeli soldiers on their northern 
                  border with Lebanon. Israeli retribution in the next few days 
                  was swift and devastating to Lebanon's infrastructure. 
                  Hezbullah's leader, the Shia cleric Nasrallah, declared open 
                  war on Israel. The long cylindrical shafts of a thousand low 
                  and high caliber Katyushka rockets built in Iran so far have 
                  rained down like Nostradamus' long comet across Northern 
                  Israel as far south as Haifa and Nazareth. An even larger rain 
                  of lethal Israeli ordinance fell on Lebanon setting a number 
                  of its heavily populated urban forests of high rise apartments 
                  from Sidon, Tyre all the way north to Beirut on fire. Over a 
                  half million Lebanese civilians pick their way over bombed out 
                  roads moving to the northern frontiers of Lebanon and east 
                  across the Syrian border. Hundreds of Israeli and perhaps 
                  thousands of Lebanese civilians lie dead or injured. I write 
                  this on the day thousands of Israeli troops began incursions 
                  in force into Lebanon. A new and bloody phase of the war 
                  begins: close quarter combat between thousands of Hezbullah 
                  fighters and Israeli soldiers. Thousands more Lebanese 
                  fighters from other militias, as well as the Lebanese army, 
                  pledge to fight alongside Hezbullah to stop the invasion of 
                  their country by threatening a protracted guerilla war.
 
 I write this on the 18th day after North Korea test fired up 
                  to six regional--and one intercontinental ballistic--missiles 
                  in defiance of American threats to desist. A new crisis was 
                  born. Japan's parliament for the first time considered 
                  overturning over a half-century old constitutional restriction 
                  on their military waging preepmtive strikes on other 
                  countries. The ominous splashdown of North Korean missiles off 
                  their Western coastline so spooked Japanese legislators that 
                  they openly debated a new Pearl Harbor scenario. This time 
                  North Korean missile launch sites might suffer a surprise 
                  Japanese naval and air attack before they can rocket death 
                  down on Japanese cities. I write this on the day the world 
                  press confirmed rumors that Iranian officials and missile 
                  scientists stood side by side in solidarity with North Korean 
                  generals and scientists at the test launch sites of those 
                  No-Dong and Taepo Dong missiles.
 
 I write this on the 27th day after what I call the Israeli-Hamas 
                  War began with the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier by Hamas 
                  terrorists in a raid out of the Gaza strip into southern 
                  Israel. Tanks of Zion have since then rumbled into the Gaza 
                  strip. The armed forces of Israel have begun a systematic, 
                  though far less devastating campaign compared to what would 
                  come in Lebanon, degrading Gaza's infrastructure with bombs 
                  and their own "long comet"-like missiles.
 
 I write this three years and 83 days after President Bush 
                  stood on a US aircraft carrier deck under a sign saying 
                  "Mission Accomplished" and made a photo op-friendly speech 
                  about all major military action in his invasion of Iraq 
                  ending.
 
 I write this six weeks and three days after the the terrorist 
                  leader of al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia (Iraq), Abu Musab 
                  al-Zarqawi--a clear candidate for Nostradamus' Third 
                  Antichrist "Mabus" (code for "Musab"?)--was killed by US 
                  airstrikes on his safe house 30 miles North of Baghdad.
 
 I write this on the day it was reported that 6,000 Iraqi 
                  civilians in the last seven weeks have died from sectarian 
                  violence between Shia and Sunnis across Iraq. I write this 
                  after a bloody fortnight of new wars in the Middle East and a 
                  missile crisis with North Korea has turned the news media's 
                  attention away from the bigger story. They overlooked a 
                  deadlier flash point for the spread this summer of the fires 
                  of war under the bellicose sign of Mars transiting Saturn in 
                  Leo. Our attention has been diverted from a dangerous turn for 
                  the worst in Iraq. The long smoldering threat of religious 
                  civil war in Iraq has sprouted naked fires. It would seem that 
                  Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has gotten his death wish.
 
 I share quotes with you today from the past year of 
                  HogueProphecy Bulletins that presaged all the above concerning 
                  what would happen in the summer of 2006.
 
 It is indeed a summer much like that inferred by Nostradamus, 
                  where the air is "very dry." Enough so that great brushfires 
                  rage across the American West and along the Mediterranean 
                  coast of Spain. The "great place" of Europe is under record 
                  temperatures, and much of North America "burns with heat" 
                  under protracted heat waves above 100 degrees Fahrenheit. 
                  Hidden fires also plume from clandestine missile launches 
                  across Lebanon, Gaza and Israel. North Korea aims to arm their 
                  test missiles with the "hidden fires" of nuclear warheads. 
                  Iran arms Hezbullah with long cometlike rockets while it works 
                  to "hide" the fires of its own nuclear program deep within 
                  underground facilities.
 
 Here are some of the passages in the last year of 
                  HogueProphecy Bulletins that presaged this:
 "Mars will end its transit of equal fire 
                  with Saturn in Leo on 22 July. A full-scale civil war in Iraq 
                  and/or a widening conflict including Iran and Israel can 
                  happen at any time during or a few months after the end of 
                  this astrological aspect. Perhaps fate and fiery planets will 
                  throw a little doomsday Korean seasoning into the mix." 
                   
                  
                  The Death of Abus Musab Al-Zarqawi--26 June 2006
 "What I said about the latter-half of 
                  2005, in my last New Year prophecy report will be magnified 
                  this year (SEE
                  
                  Saturn's President: 24 December 2004.) It will not be a 
                  time to hold onto old and habitual ways and resist adapting 
                  new ideas to meet the challenges of a new era. A leader or 
                  people not heeding Saturn's transit through the next 23 
                  degrees of Leo will face the coming challenges looking 
                  backwards. They will become more bellicose rather than 
                  diplomatic, more self-righteous and dismissive when 
                  criticized. They will seek to end wars in 2006 only to widen 
                  them because they will be stubbornly blind to their part, 
                  their unconscious contribution, to the problems of the world. 
                  They will be closed when they should be open, wax dictatorial 
                  when they ought to conciliate."  "Saturn in Leo will see [President Bush] 
                  try to achieve is goals, no matter what cautions cry. And in 
                  doing what he thinks is good, he will make things worse, in 
                  the Middle East, in Korea, in the American economy and in the 
                  domestic life of his people."  "If only level heads in Israel, 
                  Iran and the Arab nations would use Saturn in Leo's fire to 
                  launch new peace initiatives rather than war. So many 
                  astrological factors conspire against a peaceful passage 
                  through June-July of 2006 because of the collective 
                  unawareness of our leaders and people to the influential 
                  forces of Saturn and Mars "equally fiery" in Leo. Ultimatums, 
                  dictatorial stubbornness, reactive passions rule the hot days 
                  of the next summer. One hopes that they will be a time for 
                  peace, but it looks more like a time for war."
 The Middle East stands on the verge of angry stars of 
                  war. America's proxy (Israel) fights its battle against terror 
                  for them. Iran and Syria fight their poxy terrorist war in 
                  return on Israel and America through Hamas, Hezbullah, and 
                  Shia militias in Iraq. Open clashes between US-Israeli forces 
                  against Syria and Iran may erupt any time this summer.
 The US Secretary of State, Condi Rice, flies to Israel 
                  tomorrow (23 July) to begin diplomatic efforts to end the 
                  Hezbullah-Hamas wars and forestall a full-scale Israeli 
                  invasion of Lebanon. It so happens that Sunday is the first 
                  full day after Mars left the sign of Leo. Mars enters Virgo, 
                  the ruler of discernment or judgementalism depending on 
                  whether wisdom or ego reigns. May Rice and the diplomatic 
                  missions of France, Germany, the UN, also gathering in Israel 
                  this weekend, be successfully discerning. I doubt they will if 
                  negotiations do not include Syria and Iran.
 
 Saturn continues its peace-limitating transit of Leo until 
                  September 2007. Negotiating a road map to Middle Eastern peace 
                  could still see diplomats take self-centered "my way or the 
                  highway" stances in peace talks that go nowhere.
 
 There will be a call for an international UN stabilization 
                  force to guard Southern Lebanon. Most likely this will happen 
                  after Israeli troops occupying the area hand it over to the UN 
                  forces. I am wondering how they will adequately do this while 
                  bogged down in a guerilla war with the Lebanese and Hezbullah. 
                  The potential for UN intervention begs me to explore soon the 
                  famous and often mistranslated prophecy of Nostradamus in 
                  Century 2 Quatrain 2. It describes a leader in the Middle East 
                  with a "blue turban." The literal translation of "teste bleu" 
                  is "blue head." Perhaps rather than turbans, Nostradamus 
                  infers the blue helmet of UN troops guarding the 
                  Israeli-Lebanese border in the near future. I will also soon 
                  share with you the prophecy that names "Hamas" and its future 
                  outright in a trick word play.
 --END-- Search HogueProphecy Archives
 
 John HogueRogue Scholar/Author:
 
                  
                  NOSTRADAMUS: The War with Iran eBook 
 
                    
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                            THE SATURN/NEPTUNE 
                            OPPOSITION, August 2006 - June 2007 
                            
                            The challenging aspects of Saturn and Neptune can 
                            make it difficult to integrate the building of form 
                            and focus on the material world that Saturn urges 
                            with the Neptunian tendency to dissolve form and 
                            seek a more transcendent experience. In the 
                            opposition (180 degree aspect) there is a tension 
                            between these two planets that result in an 
                            experience that is disorienting and destabilizing. 
                            The effects of the Saturn/Neptune opposition bring 
                            our fantasies and illusions (Neptune) into collision 
                            with the cold facts of reality (Saturn). 
                             
                            
                            Like the moon cycles, planetary cycles begin with 
                            the conjunction or new moon, then the opening square 
                            or challenge, the culmination of the opposition or 
                            full moon point, followed by the waning square which 
                            completes the cycle. In the opposition, Saturn's 
                            urge to create form and establish solid structures 
                            confronts head-on the principle of Neptune which is 
                            to dissolve and transcend form in the material 
                            world. Remember that Saturn strives to build form 
                            where Neptune reminds us that there is a world 
                            beyond form; Saturn rules incarnation in the body 
                            and Neptune draws us into experiences that go beyond 
                            the body and the material world. In the opposition, 
                            where the two planets are 180 degrees apart, there 
                            is a tension between them that requires balance. 
                            This is a challenging aspect, but not so difficult 
                            as the square in which there is open conflict. The 
                            opposition is the apex of the cycle; it is the 
                            pinnacle of understanding the process before 
                            integration takes place. The combination of Saturn 
                            and Neptune requires that the spiritual self 
                            (Neptune) connect with the material self (Saturn). 
                            The result of the opposition is a disconnect between 
                            the grounding of the self into spirit of the 
                            Saturn/Neptune and the establishment of the 
                            individual identity (Sun).  
                            
                            The current opposition of Saturn in Leo to Neptune 
                            in Aquarius will affect most personally those of us 
                            with planets in the fixed signs of Scorpio, Taurus, 
                            Leo and Aquarius and will challenge us to keep our 
                            feet on the ground (Saturn) while ascending into 
                            realms of creativity and fantasy that expand us and 
                            connect us to the divine (Neptune). Not an easy 
                            balance to achieve!  
                            
                            From a global perspective, Saturn/Neptune cycles 
                            often witness the dissolution (Neptune) of 
                            governments (Saturn) and erosion of power 
                            structures. Saturn/Neptune events are never 
                            enjoyable, but always leave us with a little more 
                            wisdom and a little less gullible than before. It's 
                            always fascinating to look back into the historical 
                            record to see how planetary configurations applied 
                            themselves during those times in order to learn more 
                            about how those planets work together and to derive 
                            clues of how they may manifest this time around. 
                            Saturn/Neptune is a 36-year cycle which gives us 
                            plenty of interesting information. 
                            
                            In the opposition between Saturn and Neptune our 
                            fantasies and illusions (Neptune) are disappointed 
                            by Saturn's lessons, but there is also potential for 
                            manifesting our dreams (Neptune) into physical form 
                            (Saturn) and incorporating a life of spirit 
                            (Neptune) into our day-to-day existence (Saturn). 
                            Politically, the cycle of these two planets tends to 
                            bring conflict that arises as a result of the desire 
                            to manifest an ideal (Neptune) against the 
                            established order of Saturn. This cycle can also 
                            manifest in the exposure of governmental (Saturn) 
                            corruptive and deceptive behavior (Neptune). 
                            
                            In this century, Saturn in Pisces opposed Neptune in 
                            Virgo in March and October of 1936 and then again in 
                            January of 1937. This was a heavily Neptunian period 
                            since Pisces is ruled by Neptune, and Saturn in 
                            Pisces has difficulty grounding into material 
                            reality and confusion abounds. Saturn/Neptune is 
                            also associated with the destabilization (Neptune) 
                            of governmental structures: This period bore witness 
                            to the rise of nationalism with the expansion of the 
                            Nazis in Germany, a civil war in Spain between 
                            nationalist troops of General Franco and Spain's 
                            democrative government. This era also marked the 
                            beginning of Arab nationalism and riots in Palestine 
                            in reaction to Jewish immigration and the British 
                            government, as well as the abdication of Edward VIII 
                            in England who left the throne (Saturn) to marry the 
                            woman he loved, a very Neptunian romantic notion. 
                            
                            One of the more interesting events of the previous 
                            Saturn/Neptune opposition of 1899-1900 (with Saturn 
                            in Sagittarius and Neptune in Gemini) was the Boxer 
                            Rebellion against foreign influence in China which 
                            took place during the final years of the Qing 
                            Dynasty. The Boxer Rebellion sprange out of 
                            nationalist fervor against foreigners and Chinese 
                            Christians. The rebellion was ironically put down by 
                            a multinational force and the resulting humiliation 
                            led to the downfall of the Qing Dynasty by 1905. The 
                            Boxer Rebellion brought previously hidden (Neptune) 
                            ideology and frustration to a culmination point. 
                            
                            The opposition of Saturn in Gemini to Neptune in 
                            Sagittarius occurred in June and November of 1971 
                            and April of 1972 and was marked by increasingly 
                            violent demonstrations and rebellions around the 
                            world as idealism (Neptune in Sag) came face to face 
                            with governmental repression (Saturn). In the US, 
                            demonstrations against the Vietnam War grew in 
                            numbers and in power and the Supreme Court permits 
                            publication of the Pentagon Papers, exposing 
                            corruption in the government (Saturn/Neptune). The 
                            Attica prison riots exposed the poor conditions in 
                            US prisons (prisons are ruled by Neptune). The end 
                            of 1971 also witnessed civil war in Cambodia and 
                            between India and Pakistan, as well as increased 
                            fighting between British troops and Irish 
                            nationalists which culminated in the famous Bloody 
                            Sunday massacre in early 1972. All of these events 
                            showed the culmination of understanding that is the 
                            highlight of the opposition and paved the way for 
                            change that occurred during the waning phase of the 
                            cycle. The end of the opposition in 1972 also saw a 
                            treaty that banned (Saturn) biological weapons 
                            (Neptune) was signed by 70 nations. 
                            
                            The Saturn/Neptune cycle has been associated by some 
                            astrologers with the flu of 1918, but the 
                            conjunction of Saturn and Neptune in Leo actually 
                            completed months before that epidemic and the 
                            planetary cycle in place during the deadly flu 
                            epidemic was an opposition between Saturn and Uranus 
                            as well as a conjunction between Jupiter and Pluto. 
                            However, with any Saturn/Neptune contact there is 
                            the potential for hidden dangers that may not make 
                            themselves known right away. 
                            
                            So what can we expect during this year's 
                            Saturn/Neptune opposition which begins this month 
                            and will continue through June of next year? A few 
                            possibilities: 
                              
                              
                              You don't need to be an astrologer to predict that 
                              Iraq will devolve into Civil War, resulting in the 
                              downfall of the US neocon movement and partition 
                              of Iraq into ethnic divisions. 
                              
                              Fighting between Israel and Iran through its 
                              proxies of the Lebanese government and Hamas in 
                              Palestine will continue through next year but 
                              escalating casualties and pressure from within 
                              will force Israel to negotiate a more permanent 
                              resolution to the conflicts that surround it.
                              
                              
                              In the US, voters are distracted by television and 
                              other media (Neptune) and it may take another 
                              serious event (probably weather-related) to force 
                              (Saturn) their attention to the world stage. 
                              However, next year when Jupiter squares Uranus we 
                              are likely to see a radical shift towards the left 
                              in American politics and probably elsewhere as 
                              citizens tire of war and devastation. 
                              
                              
                              On the negative side, the Saturn/Neptune tendency 
                              towards nationalism and xenophobia will erupt into 
                              renewed fervor with demonstrations against 
                              immigrants and occupying forces. With Pluto 
                              completing its pass through Sagittarius we are 
                              likely to see a continued spread of religious 
                              fundamentalism of all flavors as part of this 
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