THE FALL OF DIEN BIEN PHU

CAN THIS HAPPEN TO US AGAIN?

AFGHANISTAN?  IRAQ?  PAKISTAN?

compiled by Dee Finney

U.S. soldiers in 2007 search mountains in the Andar province of Afghanistan for Taliban members and weapons caches. By Stanley Kutler

On Aug. 17, President Barack Obama made the obligatory presidential pilgrimage to the conclave of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, this time on Sen. John McCain’s home turf. The Phoenix speech, carried live on cable networks, captured a VFW audience often surly and seemingly uninterested in the president’s remarks. But at one point, he predictably brought even his recalcitrant audience to its feet when he made a pitch for his health care proposals: “One thing that reform won’t change is veterans’ health care. No one is going to take away your benefits. That’s the truth.” No doubt.

Away from the convention, the president and his spokespersons spent much of the day backing and filling on health care. Did he or didn’t he favor a public option? How much would “his” package (did he have one?) cost? And what about those “death panels”?

But for the VFW, Obama concentrated on the expanding war in Afghanistan—the war he now proudly asserts as his own. After in effect declaring victory in Iraq to justify the removal of American troops, Obama promised he now would “refocus” our efforts to “win” in Afghanistan. As Obama made abundantly clear in his presidential campaign, this was his war of choice, the one he consistently has said is necessary to eliminate al-Qaida, which had taken refuge in the desolate Afghan mountains.

During the campaign, he seemed at pains to demonstrate he was not the caricatured soft liberal when it came to American military power. Although Obama consistently has admitted, as he did before the VFW in Arizona, that military power alone will not be sufficient, he nevertheless has insisted that his “new strategy” has the clear mission “to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al-Qaida.” Obama knows that defeat of the Taliban is essential to this strategy. “If left unchecked,” he has remarked, the Taliban insurgency will bring “an even larger safe haven from which al-Qaida would plot to kill more Americans.” It is not, he maintains, a “war of choice,” but “a war of necessity.”

In 1991, following the defeat of Saddam Hussein and Iraqi forces in Kuwait, President George H.W. Bush proudly announced that we had “kicked the Vietnam Syndrome.” His successor son, propelled by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, heady with 2003’s lightning rout of Iraqi forces, believed he had restored the “can do” notions of World War II for the military component of American foreign policy.

The same day President Obama spoke to the VFW, The New York Times carried a dispatch from Afghanistan in which a villager talked about his security and the difference between night and day: “When you [the Americans] leave here, the Taliban will come at night and ask us why we were talking to you,” a villager named Abdul Razzaq said. “If we cooperate [with the U.S.], they would kill us.”

Déjà vu all over again. The U.S. military in Vietnam often announced it had killed a particular number of Viet Cong and had “freed” a village. The Americans left, assuming the enemy had lost control, but at night, of course, the VC returned and reminded villagers of the reality.

Whatever “syndrome” we kicked, Vietnam’s primary lesson remains intact: American power is not without limits, both in terms of defeating an enemy and in terms of its domestic support. The primary lesson of Vietnam seems to be that it is a lesson lost. And now we have some of the same intractable problems in Afghanistan.

Gen. Stanley McChrystal and Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke recently called Vietnam War historian Stanley Karnow for advice. After the conversation, Karnow told the AP that the main lesson to be learned from Vietnam was that “we shouldn’t have been there in the first place.” We apparently don’t know what was said on the other end in Karnow’s talk with the general and the envoy, but McChrystal has asked for more troops.

As Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson expanded the American commitment in Vietnam, their deputies regularly insisted that the insurgency had Chinese support and backing. “Peiping,” as Secretary of State Dean Rusk said in blatantly demeaning the Chinese, was to blame. If the government had had any historians with the courage to speak truth to power, they would have pointed to a millennium of historical enmity between the Chinese and the Vietnamese. As if to prove the point, the Chinese launched war against the victorious Vietnamese in 1975, only to suffer an embarrassing defeat.

The historical lessons for Afghanistan are clear. The British readily acknowledge their defeat. Surely the Russians know that Afghanistan was their Vietnam—with some not-so-covert intervention by the CIA. Afghanistan has been a graveyard for imperial ambitions, however noble and ostensibly good the ventures may have been. Long after the Guns of Health Care Reform are stilled, Afghanistan apparently promises to be with President Obama—and us—for a very long time.

We thought we defeated the Taliban once before; and now it is back again. President Obama believes we must do more to roll back the Taliban. But what can we do with the ethnic and tribal rivalries, the corruption and inefficiency in Kabul, all of which are related to the place of the Taliban? Will the U.S. be able to destroy, everywhere in the country, the Taliban’s grip on power? Does anyone in Obama’s circle ask “why?”

We can ponder the alternative. If successful, the Taliban might offer “an even larger safe haven” for al-Qaida and similar groups. But now, without Taliban control of the Afghanistan government, “safe havens” persist in the mountains of the country and in the northwest provinces of Pakistan. The situation is not much different than it was in 2001, except that the safe area for terrorists may be smaller. But what is different is our intelligence, our use of it, our vigilance and our capacity to strike with sophisticated air weapons.

Americans are questioning the Afghanistan involvement as never before. A Washington Post-ABC Poll, published this week, for the first time showed a majority of Americans opposed to the war. Meanwhile, suicide bombings and other attacks mount in Kabul. U.S. troops can protect the citizenry only sporadically, and with limitations. But inevitably, Americans will ask how long we will remain in Afghanistan, how many troops will be needed, and whether the costs in lives and treasure justify the venture. As with the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese army, chances of our destroying the Taliban are slight. Eventually, the Afghans—Taliban or otherwise—will inherit their land and have to assume responsibility for governing. We, like the British and the Russians before us, will fade into Afghanistan’s history.

Stanley Kutler is the author of “The Wars of Watergate” and other writings.

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11-20-09 - DREAM - I was in a city like the south side of Milwaukee.  I had parked out front of a house I lived in.  A female friend came over and I wanted her to park there, but in order to do that, I had to move my car to the back.  I didn't have my car keys with me so I had to climb up the front of the house like it was a ladder.  A young woman next door was doing the same thing and she fell off her house and fell over on top on me.  She  said the ambulance would take both of us.

I went into the back yard to look at where I had to park so I would know what the spot looked like, and would recognize it. Across the alley from my yard was a beautiful double doored screen door.  So I knew I could recognize my parking spot from that.

Next door. there were two older men like a man and his father.  They looked like old soldiers to me (two generations of warriors)  and I told them that I was going to park back there, so they wouldn't worry when they saw my blue car pull up into my yard.

As I started to wake up, I saw the date May 1954.

OLD SOLDIERS - MAY, 1954  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=May+1954+soldiers&start=20&sa=N

Later, as I was sitting on the couch watching the television show  FRINGE  it came to me that that woman climbing the house next to mine while I was climbing my house, represented  Dien Bien Phu falling. 

It also came to me that Dien Bien Phu falling could be a symbol for something that is going to be falling in our near future.

French Women at Dien Bien Phu

Many of the flights operated by the French Air force to evacuate casualties had female flight nurses on board. A total of 15 women served on flights to Dien Bien Phu. One of them, Geneviève de Galard, was stranded at Dien Bien Phu when her plane was destroyed by shellfire while being repaired on the airfield. She remained on the ground providing medical services in the field hospital until the surrender. She was later referred to as the "Angel of Dien Bien Phu". However historians disagree regarding this moniker, with Martin Windrow maintaining that Galard was referred to by this name by the garrison itself, but Michael Kenney maintaining that it was added by outside press agencies.[86]

The French forces came to Dien Bien Phu accompanied by two "Bordels Mobiles de Campagne," (mobile field brothels), served by Algerian and Vietnamese women.[87] All apparently subsequently volunteered and served as nurse's aides during the siege. When the siege ended, the Vietminh sent the surviving Vietnamese women for "re-education."[88]

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I was reminded while watching "One Life to Live" TV show that I had done a similar page awhile back.  This is how it starts:

 

WEAPONS OF WAR

THE 6TH TRUMPET OF REVELATION!

 

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From: http://www.princeaugust.ie/WW2/2111.html

TURN YOUR SOUND DOWN IF YOU FIND IT DISTURBING
IT IS MEANT TO BE THAT WAY

compiled by Dee Finney
 

 

The 6th Trumpet Judgment (Revelation 9:13-21) is the destruction of 1/3 of mankind by 200 million demonic horsemen. Although the tendency is to interpret these horsemen with a modern parallel of military hardware, it will probably be as straightforward as the text seems to demand.

The sixth trumpet, the second Woe! (9:13-21)

Rev 9:13 The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the horns of the golden altar that is before God. 
14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." 
15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. 
16 The number of the mounted troops was two hundred million. I heard their number. 
17 The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulphur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulphur. 
18 A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulphur that came out of their mouths. 
19 The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.
20 The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshipping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 
21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

v13 - The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the horns of the golden altar that is before God. - The golden altar is connected to the prayers of the saints (Rev 8:3). The sixth trumpet is in response to the prayers of the saints. For horn, see Lev 8:15, when Moses slaughtered the bull he took some of the blood with his finger and touched the horns of the altar to purify the altar.

v14 - It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates" - The four angels are bound so they must evil, they are released at God's command, whose purpose is to get men to repent, see verses 20-21. The four angels cover each direction of the compass, the idea being that they are released to affect the whole earth. Compare these angels with the first four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, 7:1. The Euphrates marks the boundary between Israel and her enemies (Gen 15:18, Deu 1:7, Jos 1:4), Babylon which is on the Euphrates would be to the North of Israel and it is from the North that her enemies came (Jer 25:9, Ezek 26:7, 39:2). Compare this with the sixth bowl (Rev 16:12) in which the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings of the East. Compare also with the four horsemen of the Apocalypse.

v15 - And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. - The precise timing of their release indicates that they are under the divine control of God. Their purpose is to kill a third of mankind, no more no less, that is a limited number, because this is a warning to mankind. From the precise timing of their release this seems to be a specific event in history, and is therefore probably eschatological, in the light of the discussion in the next verse this event corresponds to the second coming (compare with Mat 24:36, Acts 1:7, Gen 7:11) or at least the final battle associated with it. Compare the sixth seal, sixth trumpet and sixth bowl, they all seem to refer to either the last battle or the second coming.

v16 - The number of the mounted troops was two

hundred million. I heard their number. - The troops are mounted, meaning that they are prepared for war. Two hundred million is a large number which he could not count, but he heard their number. Compare the description here with the chariots of God in Psa 68:17, the horses like a swarm of locusts in Jer 51:27 and the horses that fly like a vulture swooping to devour of Hab 1:8. In Joel the army invades mankind on the day of the Lord (Joel 2:11-11) as this is the sixth trumpet and the seventh trumpet depicts the handing over of the world to Christ, his eternal reign and the judgement, this vision corresponds to the last great battle (see Joel 3:1-2, 9-16). The last great battle is also found in Rev 16:14, 17:14, 19:17, 20:7. Note that the sixth seal also corresponds to the second coming (Rev 6:12). The sixth bowl refers to the battle on the great day of God Almighty (Rev 16:14) and the second coming is mentioned in the next verse (16:15). This is another example of the parallelism of the book.

v17 - The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulphur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulphur. - Here is the only place in which John indicates that what he saw was in a vision. The breastplates had the same colours as the fire, smoke and sulphur which came out of the horses' mouths, see v18, this indicates the unified purpose of both horse and rider. Compare the lions' heads here with the lions' teeth of the locusts, this indicates strength.

v18 - A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulphur that came out of their mouths.- This imagery seems to refers to war. The imagery like the locusts is similar to Joel 2:4-5, 'They have the appearance of horses; they gallop along like cavalry. With a noise like that of chariots they leap over the mountain tops, like a crackling fire consuming stubble, like a mighty army drawn up for battle.' Once again it is a limited number that is killed, a third of mankind is killed. Fire and sulphur remind us of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen 19:24, Luke 17:29), this was God's judgement on wickedness, a foretaste of hell (Jude 1:7 cf. Rev 14:10-11).

v19 - The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury. - The snakes indicate their demonic origin, Luke 10:19. The three plagues of fire, smoke and sulphur came out of their mouths, v17, 18. Their tails also inflict injury. The word for snake (ophis) is the same word used to describe Satan in 12:9 (see also 12:14, 15, 20:2 cf. John 3:14, 2 Cor 11:3)

v20 - The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands they did not stop worshipping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk. - Mankind is here accused of worshipping demons and in the fifth trumpet they are plagued by demons and possibly also in the sixth trumpet, the warning fits the sin. Later we find mankind worshipping the dragon and the beast (13:4) and his image (13:15) that is idolatry. The plagues are directed at unrepentant mankind, not at God's people, those who survive these plagues still did not repent. Some are killed by these plagues but to the rest they are warnings to man to repent. Consider Jesus reaction to the persecution of the Jews by Pilate or to those who died when the tower fell on those in Siloam (Luke 13:1-5) his reaction was to say to the people 'do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.' Despite the warning plagues from God, some natural some not, man refuses to worship God and give him the glory as Creator, Amos 4:10.

First man is guilty of idolatry, worshipping created things not the Creator, Rom 1:23. He breaks the first tablet of the law (Ex 20:3-11, Deu 5:7, 2 King 17:35-39) rather than worship the creator (Rev 14:7). The stupidity of idolatry is emphasised by the phase 'idols that cannot see or hear or walk' in contrast to the living creator God, Dan 5:23, Psa 115:4-5, Jer 10:5. This hammers home the point that despite these plagues mankind prefers to worship created things rather than God, the message of Revelation is that mankind is to worship God and Him alone. Consider the worship of the living creatures and the elders of the Creator God, 4:8-11; the worship of the Lamb, 5:8 ff.; all the inhabitants of the earth worship the beast, 13:8 (compare the worship of demons and idols here with the worship of the beast and his image in 13:8, 15).

Consider also the message of the first angel flying in mid-air proclaiming the eternal gospel which is to fear God and give him glory and to worship him as Creator, 14:6-7; consider the dire warning to those who worship the beast and his image in 14:9-11. Twice John is rebuked because he worshipped an angel (19:10, 22:8) and is told to worship God. In the case of the church at Pergamum and Thyatira eating food offered to idols is condemned (2:14, 20). Note that in 21:8 the place of idolaters is in the fiery lake of burning sulphur, we should therefore see the trumpets as agents of God's mercy rather than wrath, despite the fact that people do not repent. Notice the response of those at Ephesus who practised sorcery, they publicly burned their books on sorcery; it is better to burn ones books on the occult than to burn in the lake of fire. God's decree in Deu 7:5, 12:3 is to break down the altars, smash the sacred stones and burn the idols in the fire, see Josiah's response in 2 Kings 23 who did as described in Deuteronomy.

v21 - Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts - This is the first indictment against mankind, they did not repent, see also: Rev 11:18, Rev 14:7, Rev 14:9-11, Rev 16:5-6, Rev 16:8-11. Having rejected God as creator mankind now inevitably breaks the second tablet of the law (Deu 5:17 and Rom 1:24, 28). The punishment is indicated in Rev 21:8, their (murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practise magic arts) lot will be in the lake of burning sulphur.

Trumpet 6: Deadly Attack

The voice instructs the angel with the sixth trumpet to release the “four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates” (verse 14). Since they are bound, they must be fallen angels or demons. Their release is by divine permission only and is intended to allow them to function as agents of God’s wrath.

While some prefer to view this invading horde as demons, I believe they are an actual army. The battles that follow involve killing men, and the attackers are described as men (verses 16-18). The weapons with “breastplates of fire” could well be modern weapons. The “breastplates of fire” and the “fire and smoke” that shoot out of both ends of these vehicles certainly sound like tanks, airplanes or some modern weaponry.

If John really saw the future, including the great end-time wars, he would have witnessed things he could hardly understand, let alone describe. Tanks, guns, flamethrowers and laser beams all fit these possible designations. While the horde of demons is unleashed to torture and afflict men, the horde of soldiers is unleashed to attack them as well.

See:  http://www.greatdreams.com/war/weapons_of_war.htm

 

 

Battle of Dien Bien Phu

Battle of Dien Bien Phu
Part of the First Indochina War
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French Union paratroopers dropping from a "Flying Boxcar".
Date March 13 – May 7, 1954
Location 21°23′13″N 103°0′56″E / 21.38694°N 103.01556°E / 21.38694; 103.01556Coordinates: 21°23′13″N 103°0′56″E / 21.38694°N 103.01556°E / 21.38694; 103.01556
Vicinity of Dien Bien Phu, Vietnam
Result Decisive Viet Minh victory
Belligerents
France French Union
 
North Vietnam Viet Minh
 
Commanders
France Christian de Castries #
France Pierre Langlais #
France René Cogny
North Vietnam Võ Nguyên Giáp
Strength
As of March 13:
10,800[2]
As of March 13:
48,000 combat personnel
15,000 logistical support personnel[3]
Casualties and losses
2,293 dead
5,195 wounded
 

1,729 missing [4]
11,721 captured[5]
[8,290 POW dead after battle[6]

Vietnamese figures
4,020 dead
9,118 wounded
792 missing[7]

French estimates
23,000[8]

The Battle of Dien Bien Phu (French: Bataille de Diên Biên Phu; Vietnamese: Chiến dịch Điện Biên Phủ) was the climactic confrontation of the First Indochina War between the French Union's French Far East Expeditionary Corps and Viet Minh communist revolutionaries. The battle occurred between March and May 1954 and culminated in a comprehensive French defeat that influenced negotiations over the future of Indochina at Geneva. Military historian Martin Windrow wrote that Điện Biên Phủ was "the first time that a non-European colonial independence movement had evolved through all the stages from guerrilla bands to a conventionally organized and equipped army able to defeat a modern Western occupier in pitched battle."[9]

As a result of blunders by the French , the French began an operation to cut off the soldiers at Điện Biên Phủ, deep in the hills of northwestern Vietnam. Its purpose was to cut off Viet Minh supply lines into the neighboring Kingdom of Laos, a French ally, and tactically draw the Viet Minh into a major confrontation that would cripple them. Instead, the Viet Minh, under Senior General Võ Nguyên Giáp, surrounded and besieged the French, who were unaware of the Viet Minh's possession of heavy artillery (including anti-aircraft guns) and, more importantly, their ability to move such weapons through extremely difficult terrain to the mountain crests overlooking the French encampment. The Viet Minh occupied the highlands around Điện Biên Phủ and were able to accurately bombard French positions at will. Tenacious fighting on the ground ensued, reminiscent of the trench warfare of World War I. The French repeatedly repulsed Viet Minh assaults on their positions. Supplies and reinforcements were delivered by air, though as the French positions were overrun and the anti-aircraft fire took its toll, fewer and fewer of those supplies reached them. After a two-month siege, the garrison was overrun and most French forces surrendered, only a few successfully escaping to Laos.

Shortly after the battle, the war ended with the 1954 Geneva Accords, under which France agreed to withdraw from its former Indochinese colonies. The accords partitioned Vietnam in two; fighting later broke out among rival Vietnamese forces in 1959 resulting the Vietnam (Second Indochina) War.

Background and preparations

By 1953, the First Indochina War was not going well for France. A succession of commanders—Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque, Jean-Étienne Valluy, Roger Blaizot, Marcel Carpentier, Jean de Lattre de Tassigny, and Raoul Salan—had proven incapable of suppressing the Viet Minh insurrection. During their 1952–53 campaign, the Viet Minh had overrun vast swaths of Laos, a French ally and Vietnam's western neighbor, advancing as far as Luang Prabang and the Plain of Jars. The French were unable to slow the Viet Minh advance, and the Viet Minh fell back only after outrunning their always-tenuous supply lines. In 1953, the French had begun to strengthen their defenses in the Hanoi delta region to prepare for a series of offensives against Viet Minh staging areas in northwest Vietnam. They had set up fortified towns and outposts in the area, including Lai Chau near the Chinese border to the north,[10] Na San to the west of Hanoi,[11] and the Plain of Jars in northern Laos.[12]

In May 1953, French Premier Rene Mayer appointed Henri Navarre, a trusted colleague, to take command of French Union Forces in Indochina. Mayer had given Navarre a single order—to create military conditions that would lead to an "honorable political solution."[13] On arrival, Navarre was shocked by what he found. There had been no long-range plan since de Lattre's departure. Everything was conducted on a day-to-day, reactive basis. Combat operations were undertaken only in response to enemy moves or threats. There was no comprehensive plan to develop the organization and build up the equipment of the Expeditionary force. Finally, Navarre, the intellectual, the cold and professional soldier, was shocked by the 'school's out' attitude of Salan and his senior commanders and staff officers. They were going home, not as victors or heroes, but then, not as clear losers either. To them the important thing was that they were getting out of Indochina with their reputations frayed, but intact. They gave little thought to, or concern for, the problems of their successors."[13]

 Defense of Laos

Điện Biên Phủ was far from Hanoi, the seat of French military power, making it difficult for French air transport to supply the base.

The most controversial issue surrounding the battle is whether Navarre was also obligated to defend Laos, which was far from the French seat of military power in Hanoi. Although Navarre assumed it was his responsibility, defending it would require his army to operate far from its home base. During meetings with France's National Defense Committee on July 17 and July 24, Navarre asked if he was responsible for defending northern Laos.[14] These meetings produced a misunderstanding that became the most disputed fact of the controversy surrounding the battle. For years afterwards, Navarre insisted the committee had reached no consensus; French Premier Joseph Laniel insisted that, at that meeting, the Committee had instructed Navarre to abandon Laos if necessary. "On this key issue, the evidence supports Navarre's claim that on July 24, he was given no clear-cut decision regarding his responsibility for Laos. Over the years, when challenged by Navarre, Laniel has never been able to present any written evidence to support his contention that Navarre was instructed to abandon Laos if necessary."[14] The committee was reluctant to give Navarre a definitive answer because its proceedings were constantly leaked to the press, and the politicians on the committee did not want to take a politically damaging position on the issue.[14]

Na San and the hedgehog concept

Simultaneously, Navarre had been searching for a way to stop the Viet Minh threat to Laos. Colonel Louis Berteil, commander of Mobile Group 7 and Navarre's main planner,[15] formulated the "hérisson" (hedgehog) concept. The French army would establish a fortified airhead by air-lifting soldiers adjacent to a key Viet Minh supply line to Laos.[16] This would effectively cut off Viet Minh soldiers fighting in Laos and force them to withdraw. "It was an attempt to interdict the enemy's rear area, to stop the flow of supplies and reinforcements, to establish a redoubt in the enemy's rear and disrupt his lines"[17]

The hedgehog concept was based on French experiences at the Battle of Na San. In late November and early December 1952, Giap attacked the French outpost at Na San. Na San was essentially an "air-land base", a fortified camp supplied only by air.[18] Giap's forces were beaten back repeatedly with very heavy losses. The French hoped that by repeating the strategy on a much larger scale, they would be able to lure Giap into committing the bulk of his forces in a massed assault. This would enable superior French artillery, armor, and air support to decimate the exposed Viet Minh forces. The experience at Na San convinced Navarre of the viability of the fortified airhead concept.

French staff officers disastrously failed to treat seriously several crucial differences between Điện Biên Phủ and Na San. First, at Na San, the French commanded most of the high ground with overwhelming artillery support.[19] At Điện Biên Phủ, however, the Viet Minh controlled much of the high ground around the valley, their artillery far exceeded French expectations and they outnumbered the French four-to-one.[2] Giap compared Điện Biên Phủ to a "rice bowl", where his troops occupied the edge and the French the bottom. Second, Giap made a mistake in Na San by committing his forces into reckless frontal attacks before being fully prepared. At Điện Biên Phủ, Giap would spend months meticulously stockpiling ammunition and emplacing heavy artillery and anti-aircraft guns before making his move. Teams of Viet Minh volunteers were sent into the French camp to scout the disposition of the French artillery. Wooden artillery pieces were built as decoys and the real guns were rotated every few salvos to confuse French counterbattery fire. As a result, when the battle finally began, the Viet Minh knew exactly where the French artillery were, while the French were not even aware of how many guns Giap possessed. Third, the aerial resupply lines at Na San were never severed despite Viet Minh anti-aircraft fire. At Điện Biên Phủ, Giap amassed anti-aircraft batteries that quickly shut down the runway and made it extremely difficult and costly for the French to bring in reinforcements.

 Lead up to Castor

In June , Major General René Cogny, commander of the Tonkin Delta, proposed Điện Biên Phủ, which had an old airstrip built by the Japanese during World War II, as a "mooring point".[20] In another misunderstanding, Cogny had envisioned a lightly defended point from which to launch raids; however, to Navarre, this meant a heavily fortified base capable of withstanding a siege. Navarre selected Điện Biên Phủ for the location of Berteil's "hedgehog". When presented with the plan, every major subordinate officer protested—Colonel Jean-Louis Nicot, (commander of the French Air transport fleet), Cogny, and generals Jean Gilles and Jean Dechaux (the ground and air commanders for Operation Castor, the initial airborne assault on Dien Bien Phu). Cogny pointed out, presciently, that "we are running the risk of a new Na San under worse conditions"[21] Navarre rejected the criticisms of his proposal, and concluded a November 17 conference by declaring the operation would commence three days later, on November 20, 1953.[22][23]

Navarre decided to go ahead with the operation, despite operational difficulties which would later become painfully obvious (but at the time may have been less apparent)[24] because he had been repeatedly assured by his intelligence officers that the operation had very little risk of involvement by a strong enemy force.[25] Navarre had previously considered three other ways to defend Laos: mobile warfare, which was impossible given the terrain in Vietnam; a static defense line stretching to Laos, which was not executable given the number of troops at Navarre's disposal; or placing troops in the Laotian capitals and supplying them by air, which was unworkable due to the distance from Hanoi to Luang Prabang and Vientiane.[26] Thus, the only option left to Navarre was the hedgehog option, which he characterized as "a mediocre solution."[27]

In a twist of fate, the French National Defense Committee ultimately did agree that Navarre's responsibility did not include defending Laos. However, their decision (which was drawn up on November 13) was not delivered to him until December 4, two weeks after the Điện Biên Phủ operation began.[14]

 Establishment of the airhead

Operations at Điện Biên Phủ began at 10:35 on the morning of November 20, 1953. In Operation Castor, the French dropped or flew 9,000 troops into the area over three days. They were landed at three drop zones: Natasha, northwest of Điện Biên Phủ; Octavie, southwest of Điện Biên Phủ; and Simone, southeast of Điện Biên Phủ.[28]

The Viet Minh elite 148th Independent Infantry Regiment, headquartered at Điện Biên Phủ, reacted "instantly and effectively"; three of their four battalions, however, were absent that day.[29] Initial operations proceeded well for the French. By the end of November, six parachute battalions had been landed and the French were consolidating their positions.

It was at this time that Giap began his counter-moves. Giap had expected an attack, but could not foresee when or where it would occur. Giap realized that, if pressed, the French would abandon Lai Chau Province and fight a pitched battle at Điện Biên Phủ.[30] On November 24, Giap ordered the 148th Infantry Regiment and the 316th division to attack Lai Chau, while the 308th, 312th, and 351st divisions assault Điện Biên Phủ from Viet Bac .[30]

Starting in December, the French, under the command of Colonel Christian de Castries, began transforming their anchoring point into a fortress by setting up seven positions, each allegedly named after a former mistress of de Castries, although the allegation is probably unfounded, as the names simply begin with the first eight letters of the alphabet. The fortified headquarters was centrally located, with positions "Huguette" to the west, "Claudine" to the south, and "Dominique" to the northeast. Other positions were "Anne-Marie" to the northwest, "Beatrice" to the northeast, "Gabrielle" to the north and "Isabelle" four miles (6 km) to the south, covering the reserve airstrip. The choice of de Castries as the on-scene commander at Dien Bien Phu was, in retrospect, a bad one. Navarre had picked de Castries, a cavalryman in the 18th century tradition,[31] because Navarre envisioned Điện Biên Phủ as a mobile battle. In reality, Điện Biên Phủ required someone adept at World War I-style trench warfare, something for which de Castries was not suited.[32]

The arrival of the 316th Viet Minh division prompted Cogny to order the evacuation of the Lai Chau garrison to Điện Biên Phủ, exactly as Giap had anticipated. En route, they were virtually annihilated by the Viet Minh. "Of the 2,100 men who left Lai Chau on December 9, only 185 made it to Điện Biên Phủ on December 22. The rest had been killed or captured or deserted."[33] The Viet Minh troops now converged on Điện Biên Phủ.

The French had committed 10,800 troops, with more reinforcements totaling nearly 16,000 men, to the defense of a monsoon-affected valley surrounded by heavily wooded hills that had not been secured. Artillery as well as ten M24 Chaffee light tanks and numerous aircraft were committed to the garrison. The garrison comprised French regular troops (notably elite paratroop units plus artillery), Foreign Legionnaires, Algerian and Moroccan tirailleurs, and locally recruited Indochinese infantry.

All told, the Viet Minh had moved 50,000 regular troops into the hills surrounding the valley, totaling five divisions including the 351st Heavy Division which was made up entirely of heavy artillery.[3] Artillery and AA guns, which outnumbered the French artillery by about four to one,[3] were moved into camouflaged positions overlooking the valley. The French came under sporadic Viet Minh artillery fire for the first time on January 31, 1954, and patrols encountered the Viet Minh in all directions. The battle had been joined, and the French were now surrounded.

 Combat operations

The French disposition at Dien Bien Phu, as of March 1954. The French took up positions on a series of fortified hills. The southernmost, Isabelle, was dangerously isolated. The Viet Minh positioned their 5 divisions (the 304th, 308th, 312th, 316th, and 351st) in the surrounding areas to the north and east. From these areas, the Viet Minh had a clear line of sight on the French fortifications and were able to accurately rain down artillery on the French positions.

 Beatrice

The fighting began at 5:00 PM on March 13 when the Viet Minh launched a massive surprise artillery barrage. The time and date were carefully chosen—the hour allowed the artillery to fire in daylight, and the date was chosen because it was a new moon, allowing a nighttime infantry attack.[34] The attack concentrated on position Beatrice, defended by the 3rd battalion of the 13th Foreign Legion Demi-Brigade.

Unknown to the French, the Viet Minh had made a minutely detailed study of Beatrice, and had rehearsed assaulting it using scaled models. According to one Viet Minh major: "Every evening, we came up and took the opportunity to cut barbed wire and remove mines. Our jumping-off point was moved up to only two hundred yards from the peaks of Beatrice, and to our surprise [French] artillery didn't know where we were".[35]

The French command on Beatrice was decimated at 6:15 PM when a shell hit the French command post, killing Legionnaire commander Major Paul Pegot and his entire staff. A few minutes later, Colonel Jules Gaucher, commander of the entire northern sector, was also killed by Viet Minh artillery.

French resistance on Beatrice collapsed shortly after midnight following a fierce battle. Roughly 500 legionnaires were killed, along with 600 Viet Minh killed and 1,200 wounded from the 312th division.[36] The French launched a counter-attack against Beatrice the following morning, but it was quickly beaten back by Viet Minh artillery. Despite their losses, the victory at Beatrice "galvanized the morale" of the Viet Minh troops.[36]

Much to French disbelief, the Viet Minh had employed direct artillery fire, in which each gun crew does its own artillery spotting (as opposed to indirect fire, in which guns are massed farther away from the target, out of direct line of sight, and rely on a forward artillery spotter). Indirect artillery, generally held as being far superior to direct fire, requires experienced, well-trained crews and good communications which the Viet Minh lacked.[37] Navarre wrote that "Under the influence of Chinese advisers, the Viet Minh commanders had used processes quite different from the classic methods. The artillery had been dug in by single pieces... They were installed in shell-proof dugouts, and fire point-blank from portholes... This way of using artillery and AA guns was possible only with the expansive ant holes at the disposal of the Vietminh and was to make shambles of all the estimates of our own artillerymen."[38] The French artillery commander, Colonel Charles Piroth, distraught at his inability to bring counterfire on the well-camouflaged Viet Minh batteries, went into his dugout and killed himself with a hand grenade.[39] He was buried there in great secrecy to prevent loss of morale among the French troops.

 Gabrielle

Following a four hour cease fire on the morning of March 14, Viet Minh artillery resumed pounding French positions. The air strip was put out of commission, forcing the French to deliver all supplies by parachute.[40] That night, the Viet Minh launched an attack on Gabrielle, held by an elite Algerian battalion. The attack began with a concentrated artillery barrage at 5:00 PM. Two regiments from the crack 308th division attacked starting at 8:00 PM. At 4:00 AM the following morning, a Viet Minh artillery shell hit the battalion headquarters, severely wounding the battalion commander and most of his staff.[40]

De Castries ordered a counterattack to relieve Gabrielle. However, Colonel Pierre Langlais, in forming the counterattack, chose to rely on the 5th Vietnamese Parachute battalion, which had jumped in the day before and was exhausted.[41] Although some elements of the counterattack reached Gabrielle, most were paralyzed by the Viet Minh artillery and took heavy losses. At 8:00 AM the next day, the Algerian battalion fell back, abandoning Gabrielle to the Viet Minh. The French lost around 1,000 men defending Gabrielle, and the Viet Minh between 1,000 and 2,000.[41]

 Anne-Marie

Anne-Marie was defended by T'ai troops, members of a Vietnamese ethnic minority loyal to the French. For weeks, Giap had distributed subversive propaganda leaflets, telling the T'ais that this was not their fight. The fall of Beatrice and Gabrielle had severely demoralized them. On the morning of March 17, under the cover of a fog, the bulk of the T'ais left or defected. The French and the few remaining T'ais on Anne-Marie were then forced to withdraw.[42]

Lull

March 17 through March 30 saw a lull in fighting. The Viet Minh further tightened the noose around the French central area (formed by the strongpoints Huguette, Dominique, Claudine, and Eliane), effectively cutting off Isabelle and its 1,809 personnel.[43] During this lull, the French suffered from a serious crisis of command. "It had become painfully evident to the senior officers within the encircled garrison—and even to Cogny at Hanoi—that de Castries was incompetent to conduct the defense of Dien Bien Phu. Even more critical, after the fall of the northern outposts, he isolated himself in his bunker so that he had, in effect, relinquished his command authority."[44] On March 17, Cogny attempted to fly into Dien Bien Phu and take command, but his plane was driven off by anti-aircraft fire. Cogny considered parachuting into the encircled garrison, but his staff talked him out of it.[44]

De Castries' seclusion in his bunker, combined with his superiors' inability to replace him, created a leadership vacuum within the French command. On March 24, Colonel Langlais and his fellow paratroop commanders, all fully armed, confronted de Castries. They told de Castries that he would retain the appearance of command, but that Langlais would exercise it.[45] De Castries accepted the arrangement without protest, although he did exercise some command functions thereafter.[46]

The French aerial resupply was taking heavy losses from Viet Minh machine guns near the landing strip. On March 27, Hanoi air transport commander Nicot ordered that all supply deliveries be made from 6,500 feet (2,000 m) or higher; losses were expected to remain heavy.[47] De Castries ordered an attack against the Viet Minh machine guns two miles (3 km) west of Dien Bien Phu. Remarkably, the attack was a complete success, with 350 Viet Minh soldiers killed and seventeen AA machine guns destroyed. French losses were only twenty soldiers.[48]

 March 30 – April 5 assaults

The central French positions at Dien Bien Phu as of late March 1954. The positions in Eliane saw some of the most intense combat of the entire battle

The next phase of the battle saw more massed Viet Minh assaults against French positions in the central Dien Bien Phu area – at Eliane and Dominique in particular. Those two areas were held by five understrength battalions, composed of a mixture of Frenchmen, Legionnaires, Vietnamese, Africans, and T'ais.[49] Giap planned to use the tactics from the Beatrice and Gabrielle skirmishes.

At 7:00 PM on March 30, the Viet Minh 312th division captured Dominique 1 and 2, making Dominique 3 the final outpost between the Viet Minh and the French general headquarters, as well as outflanking all positions east of the river.[50] At this point, the French 4th colonial artillery regiment entered the fight, setting its 105 mm howitzers to zero elevation and firing directly on the Viet Minh attackers, blasting huge holes in their ranks. Another group of French, near the airfield, opened fire on the Viet Minh with anti-aircraft machine guns, forcing the Viet Minh to retreat.[50]

The Viet Minh were more successful in their simultaneous attacks elsewhere. The 316th division captured Eliane 1 from its Moroccan defenders, and half of Eliane 2 by midnight.[51] On the other side of Dien Bien Phu, the 308th attacked Huguette 7, and nearly succeeded in breaking through, but a French sergeant took charge of the defenders and sealed the breach.[51]

Just after midnight on the 31st, the French launched a fierce counterattack against Eliane 2, and recaptured half of it. Langlais ordered another counterattack the following afternoon against Dominique 2 and Eliane 1, using virtually "everybody left in the garrison who could be trusted to fight."[51] The counterattacks allowed the French to retake Dominique 2 and Eliane 1, but the Viet Minh launched their own renewed assault. The French, who were exhausted and without reserves, fell back from both positions late in the afternoon.[52] Reinforcements were sent north from Isabelle, but were attacked en route and fell back to Isabelle.

Shortly after dark on the 31st, Langlais told Major Marcel Bigeard, who was leading the defense at Eliane, to fall back across the river. Bigeard refused, saying "As long as I have one man alive I won't let go of Eliane 4. Otherwise, Dien Bien Phu is done for."[53] The night of the 31st, the 316th division attacked Eliane 2. Just as it appeared the French were about to be overrun, a few French tanks arrived, and helped push the Viet Minh back. Smaller attacks on Eliane 4 were also pushed back. The Viet Minh briefly captured Huguette 7, only to be pushed back by a French counterattack at dawn on the 1st.[54]

Fighting continued in this manner over the next several nights. The Viet Minh repeatedly attacked Eliane 2, only to be beaten back. Repeated attempts to reinforce the French garrison by parachute drops were made, but had to be carried out by lone planes at irregular times to avoid excessive casualties from Viet Minh anti-aircraft fire.[54] Some reinforcements did arrive, but not nearly enough to replace French casualties.

 Trench warfare

On April 5, after a long night of battle, French fighter-bombers and artillery inflicted particularly devastating losses on one Viet Minh regiment which was caught on open ground. At that point, Giap decided to change tactics. Although Giap still had the same objective – to overrun French defenses east of the river – he decided to employ entrenchment and sapping to try to achieve it.[55]

April 10 saw the French attempt to retake Eliane 1. The loss of Eliane 1 eleven days earlier had posed a significant threat to Eliane 4, and the French wanted to eliminate that threat. The dawn attack, which Bigeard devised, was preceded by a short, massive artillery barrage, followed by small unit infiltration attacks, followed by mopping-up operations. Without realizing it, Bigeard had re-invented the infiltration tactics used with great success by Oskar von Hutier in World War I. Eliane 1 changed hands several times that day, but by the next morning the French had control of the strongpoint. The Viet Minh attempted to retake it on the evening of April 12, but were pushed back.[56]

"At this point, the morale of the Viet Minh soldiers broke. The French intercepted radio messages which told of units refusing orders, and Communist prisoners said that they were told to advance or be shot by the officers and noncommissioned officers behind them."[57] The extreme casualties they had suffered (6,000 killed, 8,000 to 10,000 wounded, and 2,500 captured) had taken a toll; worse, the Viet Minh lacked any effective medical service. "Nothing strikes at combat morale like the knowledge that if wounded, the soldier will go uncared for."[58] To avert the crisis, Giap called in fresh reinforcements from Laos.

During the fighting at Eliane 1, on the other side of camp, the Viet Minh entrenchments had almost entirely surrounded Huguette 1 and 6. On April 11, the garrison of Huguette 1 attacked, and was joined by artillery from the garrison of Claudine. The goal was to resupply Huguette 6 with water and ammunition. The attacks were repeated on the night of the 14–15th and 16–17th. While they did succeed in getting some supplies through, the heavy casualties convinced Langlais to abandon Huguette 6. Following a failed attempt to link up, on April 18, the defenders at Huguette 6 made a daring break out, but only a few made it back to French lines.[59][60] The Viet Minh repeated the isolation and probing attacks against Huguette 1, and overran it on the morning of April 22. With the fall of Huguette 1, the Viet Minh took control of more than 90% of the airfield, making accurate parachute drops impossible.[61] This caused the landing zone to become perilously small, and effectively choked off much needed supplies.[62] A French attack against Huguette 1 later that day was repulsed.

 Isabelle

Isabelle saw only desultory action until March 30, when the Viet Minh succeeded in isolating it and beating back the attempt to send reinforcements north. Following a massive artillery barrage against Isabelle on March 30, the Viet Minh began employing the same trench warfare tactics against Isabelle that they were using against the central camp. By the end of April, Isabelle had exhausted its water supply and was nearly out of ammunition.[63]

 Final attacks

The Viet Minh launched a massed assault against the exhausted defenders on the night of May 1, overrunning Eliane 1, Dominique 3, and Huguette 5, although the French managed to beat back attacks on Eliane 2. On May 6, the Viet Minh launched another massed attack against Eliane 2. The attack included, for the first time, Katyusha rockets.[36] The French also used an innovation. The French artillery fired with a "TOT" (Time On Target) attack, so that artillery rounds fired from different positions would strike on target at the same time.[64] The barrage wiped out the assault wave. A few hours later that night, the Viet Minh detonated a mine shaft, blowing Eliane 2 up. The Viet Minh attacked again, and within a few hours had overrun the defenders.[65]

On May 7, Giap ordered an all out attack against the remaining French units. At 5:00 PM, de Castries radioed French headquarters in Hanoi and talked with Cogny.

De Castries: "The Viets are everywhere. The situation is very grave. The combat is confused and goes on all about. I feel the end is approaching, but we will fight to the finish."
 

Cogny: "Well understood. You will fight to the end. It is out of the question to run up the white flag after your heroic resistance."[31]

By nightfall, all French central positions had been captured. That night, the garrison at Isabelle made a breakout attempt. While the main body did not even escape the valley, about 70 troops out of 1,700 men in the garrison did escape to Laos.[66]

 Aftermath

 Prisoners

On May 8, the Viet Minh counted 11,721 prisoners, of whom 4,436 were wounded.[67] This was the greatest number the Viet Minh had ever captured: one-third of the total captured during the entire war. The prisoners were divided into groups. Able bodied soldiers were force-marched over 250 miles (400 km) to prison camps to the north and east,[68] where they were intermingled with Viet Minh soldiers to discourage French bombing runs.[69] Hundreds died of disease on the way. The wounded were given basic first aid until the Red Cross arrived, removed 858, and provided better aid to the remainder. Those wounded who were not evacuated by the Red Cross were sent into detention.[70]

The prisoners, French survivors of the battle at Dien Bien Phu, were starved, beaten, and heaped with abuse, and many died.[71] Of 10,863 survivors held as prisoners, only 3,290 were officially repatriated four months later.[67] However, the losses figure may include the 3,013 prisoners of Indochinese origin whose eventual fate is unknown.[72]

 Political ramifications

The garrison constituted roughly a tenth of the total French Union manpower in Indochina,[73]. The defeat seriously weakened the position and prestige of the French as previously planned negotiations over the future of Indochina began.

The Geneva Conference (1954) opened on May 8, the day after the surrender of the garrison. Ho Chi Minh entered the conference on the opening day with the news of his troops' victory in the headlines. The resulting agreement temporarily partitioned Vietnam into two zones: the North was administered by the communist Democratic Republic of Vietnam while the South was administered by the French-supported State of Vietnam. The last units of the French Union forces withdrew from Indo-China in 1956. This partition was supposed to be temporary, and the two zones were meant to be reunited through national elections in 1956. After the French withdrawal, the United States supported the southern government, under Emperor Bao Dai and Prime Minister Ngo Dinh Diem, which opposed the Geneva agreement, and which claimed that Ho Chi Minh's forces from the North had been killing Northern patriots and terrorizing people both in the North and the South. The North was supported by both communist China and the Soviet Union. This dispute would eventually escalate into the Vietnam War (Second Indochina War).

France's defeat in Indochina seriously damaged its prestige elsewhere in their colonial empire, notably the North African territories from which many of the troops who fought at Dien Bien Phu had been recruited. In 1954, six months after the battle at Dien Bien Phu ended, the Algerian War started, and by 1956 both Moroccan and Tunisian protectorates had gained independence. A French board of inquiry, the Catroux Commission, would later investigated the defeat.

The battle was depicted in Dien Bien Phu, a 1992 docudrama film – with several autobiographical parts – in conjunction with the Vietnamese army by Dien Bien Phu veteran French director Pierre Schoendoerffer.

 American participation

According to the Mutual Defense Assistance Act the United States provided the French with material aid during the battle – aircraft (supplied by the USS Saipan), weapons, mechanics, twenty-four CIA/CAT pilots, and U.S. Air Force maintenance crews.[74] The United States, however, intentionally avoided overt direct intervention. In February 1954, following French occupation of Dien Bien Phu but prior to the battle, Democratic senator Mike Mansfield asked United States Defense Secretary Charles Erwin Wilson whether the United States would send naval or air units if the French were subjected to greater pressure there, but Wilson replied that "for the moment there is no justification for raising United States aid above its present level". President Dwight D. Eisenhower also stated, "Nobody is more opposed to intervention than I am".[74] On March 31, following the fall of Beatrice, Gabrielle, and Anne-Marie, a panel of U.S. Senators and House Representatives questioned the American Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Arthur W. Radford, about the possibility of American involvement. Radford concluded that it was too late for the U.S. Air Force to save the French garrison. A proposal for direct intervention was unanimously voted down by the panel, which "concluded that intervention was a positive act of war".[75]

The United States did covertly participate in the battle. Following a request for help from Henri Navarre, Radford provided two squadrons of B-26 Invader bomber aircraft to support the French. Subsequently, 37 American pilots flew 682 sorties over the course of the battle. Earlier, in order to succeed the pre-Dien Bien Phu Operation Castor of November 1953, General Chester McCarty made available 12 additional C-119 Flying Boxcars flown by French crews.[76] Two of the American pilots, Wallace Buford and James McGovern, Jr., were killed in action during the siege of Dien Bien Phu.[77] In February 25, 2005, the seven still living American pilots were awarded the French Legion of Honor by Jean-David Levitte, the French ambassador to the United States.[76] The role that the American pilots played in this battle had remained little known until 2004. The "American historian Erik Kirsinger researched the case for more than a year to establish the facts."[78][79] The French author Jules Roy also suggests that Admiral Radford discussed with the French the possibility of using nuclear weapons in support of the French garrison.[80] Moreover, John Foster Dulles was reported to have mentioned the possibility of lending atomic bombs to the French for use at Dien Bien Phu,[81] and a similar source claims that British Foreign Secretary Sir Anthony Eden was aware of the possibility of the use of nuclear weapons in that region.[82]

 Khe Sanh

In January 1968, during the Vietnam War, the North Vietnamese Army (still under Giap's command) made an apparent attempt to repeat their success at Dien Bien Phu, by a siege and artillery bombardment on the U.S. Marine Corps infantry and artillery base at Khe Sanh, South Vietnam. Historians are divided on whether this was a genuine attempt to force the surrender of that Marine base, or else a diversion from the rest of the Tet Offensive, or an example of the North Vietnamese Army keeping its options open.

At Khe Sanh, a number of factors were significantly different from the siege of Dien Bien Phu. Khe Sanh was much closer to its supply base (45 km/28 mi versus 200 km/120 mi at Dien Bien Phu);[83]

At Khe Sanh, the U.S. Marines held the high ground, and their artillery forced the North Vietnamese to use their own artillery from a much greater distance. On the other hand, at Dien Bien Phu, the French artillery (six 105 mm batteries and one battery of four 155 mm howitzers and mortars[84]) were only sporadically effective;[85] Khe Sanh received 18,000 tons in aerial resupplies during the 30-day battle, whereas during 167 days that the French forces at Dien Bien Phu held out, they received only 4,000 tons.[85] By the end of the battle of Khe Sanh, U.S. Air Force warplanes had flown 9,691 tactical sorties and dropped 14,223 tons of munitions on targets within the Khe Sanh area. U.S. Marine Corps warplanes had flown 7,098 missions and dropped 17,015 tons of munitions. U.S. Navy warplanes, many of which had been redirected from the Operation Rolling Thunder bombing campaign against North Vietnam, flew 5,337 sorties and dropped 7,941 tons of ordnance on the enemy.

 Notes

  1. ^ Xiaobing Li (2007). A history of the modern Chinese Army. University Press of Kentucky. p. 212. ISBN 0813124387. 
  2. ^ a b Davidson, 224
  3. ^ a b c Davidson, 223
  4. ^ Tragic Mountains: The Hmong, the Americans, and the Secret Wars for Laos, trang 62, Indiana University Press
  5. ^ http://www.ecpad.fr/ecpa/PagesDyn/notfot.asp?id=4123&page=2&dossierid=490&photo=1&Npage=2&collectionid=4 French Defense Ministry's archives, ECPAD]
  6. ^ [1]
  7. ^ Ban tổng kết-biên soạn lịch sử, BTTM (1991). Lịch sử Bộ Tổng tham mưu trong kháng chiến chống Pháp 1945-1954. Ha Noi: Nhà xuất bản Quân Đội Nhân Dân. p. 799.  (History Study Board of The General Staff (1991) (in Vietnamese), History of the General Staff in the Resistance War against the French 1945-1954, Ha Noi: People's Army Publishing House, p. 799 ).
  8. ^ Stone, 109
  9. ^ Quotation from Martin Windrow. Kenney, Michael. "British Historian Takes a Brilliant Look at French Fall in Vietnam". Boston Globe, January 4, 2005.
  10. ^ Fall, 23
  11. ^ Fall, 9
  12. ^ Fall, 48
  13. ^ a b Davidson, 165
  14. ^ a b c d Davidson, 176
  15. ^ Fall, 44
  16. ^ Davidson, 173
  17. ^ Bruce Kennedy. CNN Cold War Special: 1954 battle changed Vietnam's history
  18. ^ Fall, 24
  19. ^ Davidson, 147
  20. ^ Davidson, 182
  21. ^ Roy, 21
  22. ^ Roy, 33
  23. ^ Davidson, 184
  24. ^ Windrow, p211, 212, 228, 275
  25. ^ Davidson, 189
  26. ^ Davidson, 186
  27. ^ Davidson, 187
  28. ^ Davidson, 194
  29. ^ Davidson, 193
  30. ^ a b Davidson, 196
  31. ^ a b "The Fall of Dienbienphu". Time Magazine. 1954-05-17. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,860710,00.html. 
  32. ^ Davidson, 199
  33. ^ Davidson, 203
  34. ^ Davidson, 234
  35. ^ Roy, 167
  36. ^ a b c Davidson, 236
  37. ^ Davidson, 227
  38. ^ Navarre, 225
  39. ^ "Dien Bien Phu". Spartacus Educational. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/VNdienbein.htm. Retrieved August 24 2006. 
  40. ^ a b Davidson, 237
  41. ^ a b Davidson, 238
  42. ^ Davidson, 239
  43. ^ Fall, 279
  44. ^ a b Davidson, 240–241
  45. ^ Fall, 177
  46. ^ "The truth would seem to be that Langlais did take over effective command of Dien Bien Phu, and that Castries became "commander emeritus" who transmitted messages to Hanoi and offered advise about matters in Dien Bien Phu." - Davidson, 243
  47. ^ Davidson, 244
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Will US military suffer a "Dien Bien Phu" type of defeat in Iraq?

In May 1954, Vietnamese Communist Forces overran the French military garrison at Dien Bien Phu, capturing 14,000 French troops, and forcing the French to end their presence in Indochina. Is this the possible fate of US troops in the "Green Zone" and the remainder of Iraq?
 
The question doesn't work becaues the scale (and terrain) does not come close to matching.

1. 'Dien Bien Phu (DBP)' was an isolated french base in a remote part of the country, limiting their chance of reinforcement from the beginning.
The Green Zone is in the heart of Baghdad, in the center of Iraq, there are a number of HUGE military bases within 20 miles of the Green Zone, a few minutes' flying time. Heck,if things got bad, they could get help from the Tigris River Which flows right next to it!!

2. DBP was situated in a valley, and the Viet Minh got on the high ground (Ho Chi Minh described it as 'a rice bowl' with the French at the bottom) pounding the base to pieces.
Most of Iraq, to include Baghdad, is flat as a pan. No high ground to speak of.

3. DBP was an interim base, an airstrip and basic fortifications.
The GZ was buit by Saddam, designed from the ground up to be defended in case of revolution, protected by reinforced walls and built-in bunkers.

4. The fact is, the reason the the insurgency started using IED's was every time they came in the open to attack, they got hammered.
In the end the GZ only too small a target for that kind of exposure, and to lay seige to one of the other bases in the area, they would be in the open, unlike the jungle cover used by the Viet Minh.

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Dien Bien Phu, Symbol For All Time History of Empire )

The Fall of the French Empire

By Alain Ruscio*

Le Monde diplomatique
July 2004

This month marks the 50th anniversary of the Geneva Accords that ended the war in Indochina, six weeks after the French army was defeated at Dien Bien Phu. This was a signal to other colonies yearning for independence: the next to rise up was Algeria, three months later.


French and Vietnamese negotiators signed a ceasefire agreement, backed by the international community in Geneva, on 20 July 1954. The reluctant United States, Britain, the Soviet Union and especially the People's Republic of China, for which this was a first international conference, all took note. On 7 May the last troops defending the garrison of Dien Bien Phu, exhausted by an endless 55-day battle, had been finally forced to admit the enemy's superiority. The war had ended. The Vietnamese had defeated one of the largest western armies, supported by its powerful US ally.

It is hard to imagine the impact of that event 50 years ago on the colonial world, particularly France's overseas colonies. A colonial power had been defeated. A regular army had been beaten. In the late 1980s Ben Youssef Ben Khedda, head of the provisional government of the Algerian Republic, wrote: "Ho Chi Minh's army inflicted a humiliating defeat on the French Expeditionary Corps at Dien Bien Phu. The defeat of France was a powerful incentive to all who thought immediate insurrection the only possible strategy . . . All other considerations were set aside, and direct action became the overriding priority" (1). Only three months after the Geneva conference, the Algerian uprising broke out on November 1. From the outset the political and military struggle of Ho Chi Minh's Vietminh (League for the Independence of Vietnam) influenced nationalist thinkers in colonies well beyond Algeria. The French representative, Jean Sainteny, and the Vietnamese delegate, Ho Chi Minh, had signed an agreement in Hanoi on 6 March 1946 by which France recognised the Republic of Vietnam as a "free state, with its own government, parliament, army and finances, within the French Union" (2). Although any mention of independence was carefully avoided, the agreement gave the clear impression that France was intent on establishing new relations with its colonies.

When the postwar Constituent Assembly debated the overseas situation, between 21 and 26 March 1946, Lamin Gueye (French West Africa) (3), Raymond Verges (Réunion) and other members invoked the example of Indochina. The deputies of the Democratic Movement for Malagasy Reform (MDRM) tabled a bill with the exact wording of the Hanoi agreement: France was to recognise Madagascar as a "free state, with its own government". The majority of the assembly predictably rejected this demand. But the contagion spread. Vietnam became a model for many colonial peoples as the negotiations between France and the Vietnamese nationalists continued. There was a growing feeling that an agreement based on French goodwill was possible. Then Ho Chi Minh went to Paris to negotiate Vietnam's final status and returned empty-handed.

Ho Chi Minh, with his modest and reserved demeanour, commanded enormous respect among nationalists in other colonies. For a long time little attention had been paid to his earlier activity under his real name, Nguyen Ai Quoc, but that changed in 1946. His foundation of the socialist Intercolonial Union and publication of the anti-colonial journal Le Paria (The Pariah) in France in the 1920s, and his activity as a professional Comintern revolutionary in the 1930s, became well-known, and his reputation as an incorruptible patriot spread far beyond Vietnam. Many colonial activists from elsewhere in the French empire thought of Ho Chi Minh, at 56, as an elder brother. Jacques Rabemananjara, a leader of the MDRM, was struck by his combination of firmness as to the ultimate aim of independence and flexibility as to the form - his acceptance of the French Union as a framework. Despite this, the negotiations failed and war began at the end of November 1946. Ho Chi Minh's name resounded again in the Vel d'Hiv cyclodrome in Paris on 5 June 1947, when overseas members of the National Assembly held a mass rally with the slogan "The French Union in danger".

Besides the Franco-Vietnamese conflict, there was increasing repression in Madagascar. Félix Houphouí«t-Boigny, future president of Ivory Coast, spoke for the African Democratic Rally (RDA), which was allied with the Communist group in the National Assembly; the poet Aimé Césaire for the French Communist party (PCF); Lamine Gueye, future president of the Senegalese National Assembly, for the Socialist party; and an Algerian introduced as "Chérif" for the party of the Algerian Manifesto of Ferhat Abbas (4). According to several contemporary accounts, all eyes were turned toward the Vietminh who had dared to challenge French colonial power. Would they hold out against the infinitely superior forces of the French Expeditionary Corps? That concern was shared by students from the colonies living in France, who were strongly influenced by the PCF at the time and very active in the anti-colonial movement. Niggling censorship and repression in the colonies prevented any spectacular show of solidarity, but statements by the RDA in Black Africa and the PCF in Algeria refer specifically to the struggle of the Vietnamese people (5). The writer and member of the French Academy, Maurice Genevoix, travelled widely in Africa in 1949 and on his return he published his impressions. "Everywhere I went," he wrote, "in Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Senegal, Sudan, Guinea, Cí´te d'Ivoire or Niger, it was taken for granted that events in Indochina would be decisive. On this point, silence spoke louder than words" (6).

There were strong echoes of this in North Africa. Early in 1949 Dr Pham Ngoc Thach, a prominent minister in Ho Chi Minh's government, wrote to Abd al-Krim (7), then in exile in Cairo, asking him to issue an appeal to North African soldiers serving in the French Expeditionary Corps. The old leader of the Rif tribes happily obliged: "The victory of colonialism, even at the other end of the world, is a defeat for us and a setback to our cause. The victory of liberty in any part of the world is our victory, the sign of our approaching independence" (8). In 1950 the Moroccan Communist party, contacted by the Vietminh through the PCF, seconded a member of its central committee, Mohamed Ben Aomar Lahrach, to Ho Chi Minh's staff (9). Lahrach, known as General Maarouf to Maghrebis and Anh Ma to the Vietnamese, played a major role throughout the conflict, often calling on his brothers in the Expeditionary Corps to desert, and working on the Marxist political education of prisoners and North Africans who had rallied to the cause of the Vietminh (10).

The French army's successive setbacks in Indochina strengthened the growing solidarity among the colonised throughout the French Union. It was in the Algerian ports of Oran and Algiers, not those of metropolitan France, that dockers first refused to load war materials destined for Indochina. French decision-makers understood what was happening and tried to oppose the solidarity of the colonised through the solidarity of the colonisers. Maurice Genevoix concluded from his African observations that "once the string is broken, all the pearls of the necklace fall off, one by one: the problem of the Empire is a single whole."

The fundamental anti-communism of those who supported the war effort was reinforced by their determination to prevent any breach in the French Union. They banked on the contagious effect of victory: the use of force in Indochina would avoid the need to use it elsewhere. Georges Bidault, several times minister for foreign affairs in the early 1950s, told everyone that the French Union was a single bloc: capitulation in any part of it would bring it all crashing down (11). The most conservative, such as National Assembly members Eduard Frédéric-Dupont and Adolphe Aumeran, and journalists Robert Lazurick and Rémy Roure, former sympathisers of the "colonial party" (12) proclaimed that only strong-arm methods would silence native pseudo-nationalists in Indochina.

Yet other French politicians thought Indochina was already lost. What they feared was the con tagious effect of defeat. Pierre Mendí¨s-France thought the game was up as early as the autumn of 1950. France, he said, no longer had sufficient forces to deal with conflict throughout the empire. Franí§ois Mitterrand argued that the war in Asia would undermine France's only real prospects, which were in Africa. The Asian limb must be severed before gangrene spread to the whole body (13). It was no accident that the Mendí¨s-Mitterrand team settled the Indochina issue only to be intransigent over Algeria.

These arguments went unheeded; then came the disaster of Dien Bien Phu. What was its impact in other French colonies? There is as yet no well-documented study of public opinion, including police reports or the colonial press of the period. But clues suggest that many people in Algiers, Tanarive and Dakar rejoiced at the defeat of the French. Four days later, on 11 May, the Gaullist minister Christian Fouchet announced that several French residents in Morocco had received anonymous letters threatening that Casablanca would be a second Dien Bien Phu (14). As Ben Khedda's memoirs show, the Algerian nationalists reacted by increasing their preparations for armed insurrection (15).

Dien Bien Phu became France's symbol of anachronistic obstinacy culminating in disaster. For Vietnam it symbolised the reconquest of national independence. But its impact was much wider. The battle was seen throughout the world as foreshadowing other struggles. Hardly had the smell of gunpowder faded in the Tonkin Basin when the Aures Mountains were thick with it. And barely a year later the "wretched of the earth" (16) came together in Bandong (17). Two men on opposing sides drew parallels that testify to Dien Bien Phu's historical significance. In 1962 the Algerian nationalist leader Ferhat Abbas wrote: "Dien Bien Phu was more than a military victory. It is a symbol for all time. It was the Battle of Valmy (18) of the colonial peoples, an affirmation of Asian and African man against the European and a confirmation of universal human rights. At Dien Bien Phu France lost its sole claim to a presence in Indochina - the right of the strongest" (19).

In 1974 Jean Pouget, a former officer in the Expeditionary Corps, commented bitterly but perceptively: "The fall of Dien Bien Phu marked the end of the colonial period and the beginning of the era of third-world independence. Today there is not a revolt, rebellion or uprising in Asia, Africa or America that fails to invoke General Giap's victory. Dien Bien Phu has become decolonisation's 14th of July" (20).

About the Author: Alain Ruscio is a historian and author of 'Credo de l'homme blanc' (Complexe, Bruxelles, 2002) and 'Dien Bien Phu, mythes et réalités: Les échos d'une bataille1954-2004', co-authored with Serge Tigní¨res (Les Indes Savantes, Paris, 2004)


(1) Les origines du 1er novembre 1954, Dahlab, Alger, 1989; quoted in Benjamin Stora, "Un passé dépassé? 1954, de Dien Bien Phu aux Aurí¨s", symposium typescript, Hanoi, 2004.
(2) The French Union was the name given by the French Constitution of 1946 to the entity constituted by the French Republic (metropolitan France and the overseas departments and territories) and the associated territories and states. See Jacques Tronchon, L'Insurrection malgache de 1947, Maspero/CNRS, Paris, 1974.
(3) Established in 1895, French West Africa was a federation of Senegal, Mauritania, Sudan, Upper Volta (now Burkina Faso), Guinea, Niger, Ivory Coast and Dahomey (now Benin), with Dakar as its capital.
(4) L'Humanité, 6 June 1947.
(5) See Au service de l'Afrique noire: Le Rassemblement Démocratique Africain dans la lutte anti-impérialiste, brochure published in 1949.
(6) Afrique blanche, Afrique noire, Flammarion, Paris, 1949.
(7) A leader of the Moroccan independence movement in the struggle against Spaniards and French in the 1920s. He was deported to Reunion and escaped to Cairo, where he organised the Committee for the Liberation of the Maghreb.
(8) See Abdelkrim Khattabi et son rí´le dans le Comité de libération du Maghreb, quoted in Abdallah Saaf, Histoire d'Anh Ma, Paris, L'Harmattan, 1996.
(9) See Abdallah Saaf, op cit.
(10) Nelcya Delanoí«, Poussií¨res d'Empire, Paris, PUF, 2002.
(11) See Jacques Dalloz, Georges Bidault, biographie politique, L'Harmattan, Paris, 1993.
(12) The colonial party was an informal organisation of voluntary bodies.
(13) Aux frontií¨res de l'Union franí§aise: Indochine, Tunisie, Paris, Julliard, Paris, 1953.
(14) Journal officiel, Paris, 11 May 1954.
(15) See Mohamed Harbi, "L'écho sur les rives de la Méditerranée", Carnets du Vietnam, February 2004.
(16) A reference to Frantz Fanon's influential Les damnés de la terre (The Wretched of the Earth), which examined the psychological and material costs of colonisation during the Algerian war of independence 1954-62.
(17) First meeting of the non-aligned countries in April 1955: 29 states were represented, including Indonesia, China, India and Algeria, which had just begun its war of liberation.
(18) A famous French victory over Prussian troops in 1792 that marked a turning point in the revolutionary war.
(19) Ferhat Abbas, La Nuit coloniale, Julliard, Paris, 1962.
(20) "Le mythe et la réalité", Le Figaro, Paris, 7 May 1974.
 

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World: DIENBIENPHU: Could It Happen Again?

Friday, May. 15, 1964

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FROM Pyongyang to the Yangtze, Asia's Communists last week celebrated the tenth anniversary of Dienbienphu, the savage battle that cost France her century-old Indo-Chinese empire. In Hanoi, loudspeakers blared a specially composed song, Liberation of Dienbienphu, and thousands of North Vietnamese massed to commemorate the feat of arms that General Vo Nguyen Giap, the Red victor of Dienbienphu, called "one of the greatest victories in the history of the armed struggle of oppressed peoples."

Nor did the anniversary go unremembered in France. At a round of reunions in Paris, business-suited survivors of the debacle hoisted nostalgic toasts to "the Angel of Dienbienphu," Geneviève de Galard-Terraube, who was the only woman nurse on the battlefield. (Now 39, Geneviève is a retiring Paris housewife and mother of two children, married to a former French paratrooper.) They were poignant get-togethers, for Dienbienphu holds as deep emotional implications for Frenchmen today as Verdun or Waterloo did for earlier generations.

Tanks & Tablecloths. Many veterans of the fighting blame France's defeat on General Henri Navarre, his government's commander in chief for Indochina. But Navarre, a World War I infantryman, only personified the Maginot mentality of most French career officers. Though warned that it would be fatal to fight a conventional engagement from a fixed base, Navarre concentrated 17 battalions in the North Viet Nam outpost, which lay in a ten-mile-long river valley. His strategy was to draw the Communist Viet Minh guerrillas into a set-piece battle in which French heavy weaponry would prove decisive. Along with tanks and artillery, his officers moved in their mess silver, embroidered white tablecloths, stocks of wine.

Though Dienbienphu was surrounded by hills, Navarre was unworried, since he was convinced that the Reds had no artillery. Dienbienphu's two air strips, its only lifeline to the outside, were within easy field-gun range of the mountains. Under Cavalry Colonel Christian Marie Ferdinand de la Croix de Castries, who was promoted to four-star general during the battle, the garrison had been organized into ten separate commands. With Gallic gallantry, each had been given a woman's name—Gabrielle, Béatrice, Anne-Marie, Françoise, Isabelle, Dominique, Claudine, Huguette, Eliane and Junon.

Bicycles & Backs. What the French did not know was that Red China had armed the Viet Minh with 200 artillery pieces. Hacking paths through jungle trails, traveling up to 50 miles a day on foot, the guerrillas lugged the dismantled guns into positions on their backs, then set up the batteries under rock cover. To fill Viet Minh bellies, 50,000 Chinese coolies bicycled in relays down the narrow mountain footpaths, each straining under a load of 600 lbs. of sacked rice. From November to mid-March, while his 60,000 guerrilla troops sparred with patrols from the fortress, Guerrilla General Giap quietly laid his noose around Dienbienphu. Then one morning Viet Minh artillery boomed a death knell.

In four days, Béatrice, Gabrielle and Anne-Marie fell. As monsoon rains set in, French tanks became immobile. "To go on the offensive," despaired one French officer, "we would need 10,000 mules." With both air strips raked by Red shells, the French had to rely on airdrops for supplies. More than half the food, ammunition and medicine—as well as De

Castries' brand-new general's stars and a bottle of congratulatory cognac —drifted behind Red lines. Unable to locate the Viet I Minh's well-hidden big guns, Dienbienphu's guilt-stricken V artillery commander committed suicide.

Corpses in the Chamber Pot. While Paris tried clumsily and in vain to obtain a U.S. bomber strike, outgunned, outmanned French forces were pounded for 56 days by human-wave attacks. By night, the Reds tunneled like ants under many outposts. Dienbienphu's defenders fought back with machine guns, flamethrowers, hand grenades and bayonets. Latrines filled and festered, the water supply turned foul; French officers bitterly endorsed their valley's nickname: "le pot de chambre." The living grew too weary to bury the dead, and the stench of putrefying flesh even forced the guerrillas to wear gauze masks.

On April 2, Command Post Francoise was abandoned. In the first days of May, Dominique and Huguette crumbled. Ordered not to surrender, De Castries on May 7 radioed Hanoi: "It is the end. The Viet Minh are only a few yards from where I speak." His operator added: "Say hello to Paris for me. Au revoir." By that night, the last three commands—Eliane, Claudine, and isolated Isabelle to the south—were overrun, and for the first time in six months the smoke-shrouded valley lay silent.

Lessons Learned. Of Dienbienphu's 12,000 defenders, 2,293 were killed, and the rest, including most of the 5,134 wounded, began the long death march to Viet Minh prison camps. The debacle resulted in the partitioning of Viet Nam and thrust ultimate responsibility for Indochina on the U.S., which today grimly supports South Viet Nam's struggle against the Communist Viet Cong. Whether from lingering humiliation or its dreams of reasserting French influence in a neutralized Southeast Asia, or both, the France of Charles de Gaulle holds that the U.S. will inevitably meet its own Dienbienphu in Viet Nam.

U.S. military planners virtually rule out any such prospect. For all their difficulties, South Vietnamese troops and U.S. advisers command enormous fire power and mobility, have learned never to box themselves into a static defense against fast-moving guerrillas. The Viet Cong of late have launched several attacks in battalion strength, but their numbers are nowhere near comparable to the Viet Minh, which moved entire divisions into Dienbienphu. Moreover, Dienbienphu was only 80 miles from Red China; the circuitous supply line to South Viet Nam is ten times longer. The Viet Cong have yet to deploy artillery or antiaircraft guns. And French air power was puny compared to the swarms of rocket-firing helicopters, transport craft and fighter-bombers that the U.S. has in South Viet Nam. With so great an advantage in air and fire power, U.S. advisers would like nothing better than to see the Viet Cong blunder into an open, pitched battle.

Giap's Goal. Biggest difference between the two wars, of course, is that the French were defending a tired colonial regime. They had scant encouragement from the government of Premier Joseph Laniel in Paris, which insisted that it could spare no more men or money. The U.S., by contrast, has repeatedly pledged full support for Viet Nam's defenders until the Viet Cong are finally routed. And, unlike the French, the Vietnamese are at least attempting an ambitious civic reform program.

The main dangers today, after two coups in six months, are that yet another upheaval might bring a neutralist government to power in Saigon, or that a series of coups could erode the people's will to resist. As General Giap has suggested, Communist strategy now envisages not one big Dienbienphu but a lot of small, frustrating engagements. Says Giap: "The enemy will pass slowly from the offensive to the defensive and be caught in a dilemma; he has to drag out the war in order to win it and does not possess, on the other hand, the psychological and political means to fight a long-drawn-out war." What the Communists hope for, clearly, is a Dienbienphu of the spirit

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Tomgram: William Astore, Déjà Vu All Over Again in Afghanistan.

[Note to TomDispatch Readers: A reminder -- I'll be away and so unable to respond to letters or requests until next Monday or thereafter. Tom]

It didn't take long. Only 11 days after Barack Obama entered the Oval Office, a Newsweek cover story proclaimed the Afghan War "Obama's Vietnam." And there wasn't even a question mark. As John Barry and Evan Thomas wrote grimly in that January piece, "There is this stark similarity: in Afghanistan, as in Vietnam, we may now be facing a situation where we can win every battle and still not win the war -- at least not within a time frame and at a cost that is acceptable to the American people." In the two and a half months since that piece appeared, the President and his advisors have, in fact, doubled-down on what is increasingly the Af-Pak War -- with the expanding fighting in Pakistan's tribal borderlands helping to destabilize that regional nuclear power. As a result, it would hardly be surprising if "Obama's Vietnam" became an ever more common refrain in the year ahead.

In a number of ways, however, the Af-Pak War couldn't bear less of a relationship to the Vietnam one. After all, this time around there is no superpower enemy like the Soviet Union or regional power like China supporting and arming the Taliban (or, for that matter, like the United States, which supported and armed the mujahideen to give the Soviets their own "Vietnam" in Afghanistan in the 1980s). In Vietnam, the U.S. faced a North Vietnamese professional army, well-trained, superbly disciplined, and supplied with the best the Soviets and Chinese could produce, including heavy weapons; while the guerrilla organization we fought in South Vietnam, which Americans knew as "the Vietcong," had widespread popular support, was unified, dedicated, well structured, and highly regimented.

The "Taliban," on the other hand, is a rag-tag, under-armed set of largely localized militias adding up to only perhaps 10,000-15,000 armed fighters, loyal to a range of leaders, including the pre-2001 Taliban leadership headed by Mullah Omar, various former mujahideen commanders of the anti-Soviet War, or sometimes just local warlords. Even where firmly lodged itself, the Taliban's support in rural Afghanistan, as far as can be told from what opinion polls exist, is at best unenthusiastic, and based largely on its ability to bring some safety to rural areas the corrupt central government has no control over, and above all, on its ability to present itself as the only real opposition to a foreign military occupation of the country.

Unlike the Vietnamese, the Taliban are largely incapable of bringing down American and NATO planes or helicopters, attacking big American bases, or massing for major offensives of any sort. While growing in strength by every measure available, what they are largely capable of doing, in military terms, is blowing things up via roadside bombs or suicide attacks (which is, of course, no small thing). As a result, American casualties, while serious and possibly due to rise this year (along with Afghan civilian casualties), are exceedingly modest if measured by a Vietnam-era yardstick.

In other words, in scale, the Af-Pak War is unlikely ever to become a real "Vietnam" (Obama's or otherwise). Looked at another way, however, this war may have the capacity to inflict upon the U.S. the kind of defeat that the Vietnamese, for all their strength and nationalist fervor, were incapable of. In a sense, Af-Pak threatens to be, in the personalized terms the American media often favors, not "Obama's Vietnam," but "Obama's Afghanistan" -- that is, our version of the defeat we once helped inflict on the Russians which played a role in breaking the back of the Soviet empire. The U.S. suffered a genuine defeat in Vietnam and its army nearly collapsed in the process, but the American empire and the American economic system stood in no mortal danger from it.

By the end of 2009, the cost of the Iraq War -- that is, of putting down another set of rag-tag insurgents -- will pass that of the Vietnam War and, in dollars spent, stand second only to World War II in U.S. history. Add to that the rising expense of a never-ending Af-Pak War and -- in the worst of economic times -- you have the equivalent of a vast financial hemorrhage, an economic sinkhole. In short, if "Obama's war" proves a "quagmire," it may not be a Vietnamese-style one.

In one way, however, the Af-Pak War has borne, and continues to bear, a certain eerie resemblance to the Vietnam one: in the manner in which Americans have chosen to fight it. Not surprisingly, as retired lieutenant colonel and TomDispatch regular William Astore points out in the following striking piece, in this we resemble ourselves 40 years ago. As a result, for anyone who remembers Vietnam, much of our military's "new thinking" on counterinsurgency warfare, which has gotten such media praise, looks old and tired indeed. But let Astore take up the tale from here. Tom

Mary McCarthy in Vietnam, Barack Obama in Afghanistan

Seven Lessons and Many Questions for the President
By William Astore

In 1967, outraged by the course of the Vietnam War, as well as her country's role in prolonging and worsening it, Mary McCarthy, novelist, memoirist, and author of the bestseller The Group, went to Saigon, then the capital of South Vietnam, to judge the situation for herself. The next year, she went to the North Vietnamese capital, Hanoi. She wrote accounts of both journeys, published originally in pamphlet format as Vietnam (1967) and Hanoi (1968), and later gathered with her other writings on Vietnam as a book, The Seventeenth Degree (1974). As pamphlets, McCarthy's accounts sold poorly and passed into obscurity; deservedly so, some would say.

Those who'd say this, however, would be wrong. McCarthy brought a novelist's keen eye to America's activities and its rhetoric in Vietnam. By no means a military expert, not even an expert on Vietnam -- she only made a conscious decision to study the war in Vietnam after she returned from her trip to Saigon -- her impressionistic writings were nevertheless insightful precisely because she had long been a critical thinker beholden to no authority.

Her insights into our approach to war-fighting and to foreign cultures are as telling today as they were 40 years ago, so much so that President Obama and his advisors might do well to add her unconventional lessons to their all-too-conventional thinking on our spreading war in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

What were those lessons? Here are seven of them, each followed by questions that, four decades later, someone at President Obama's next press conference should consider asking him:

1. McCarthy's most fundamental objection was to the way, in Vietnam, the U.S. government decided to apply "technology and a superior power to a political situation that will not yield to this." At the very least, the United States was guilty of folly, but McCarthy went further. She condemned our technocentric and hegemonic form of warfare as "wicked" because of its "absolute indifference to the cost in human lives" to the Vietnamese people.

Even in 1967, the widespread, at times indiscriminate, nature of American killing was well known. For example, U.S. planes dropped roughly 7 million tons of bombs on Vietnam and parts of Laos and Cambodia during the war, nearly five times the tonnage used against Germany during World War II. The U.S. even waged war on the Vietnamese jungle and forest, which so effectively hid Vietnamese guerrilla forces, spraying roughly 20 million gallons of toxic herbicides (including the dioxin-contaminated Agent Orange) on it.

In her outrage, McCarthy dared to compare the seeming indifference of many of her fellow citizens toward the blunt-edged sword of technological destruction we had loosed on Vietnam to the moral obtuseness of ordinary Germans under Adolf Hitler.

Questions for President Obama: Aren't we once again relying on the destructive power of technology to "solve" complex political and religious struggles? Aren't we yet again showing indifference to the human costs of war, especially when borne by non-Americans? Even though we're using far fewer bombs in the Af-Pak highlands than we did in Vietnam, aren't we still morally culpable when these "precision-guided munitions" miss their targets and instead claim innocents, or hit suspected "terrorists" who suddenly morph into wedding parties? In those cases, do we not seek false comfort in the phrase, C'est la guerre, or at least that modern equivalent: unavoidable collateral damage?

2. As Richard Nixon campaigned for the presidency in 1968 by calling for "peace with honor" in Vietnam, McCarthy offered her own warning about the dangers that arose when the office of the presidency collided with an American desire never to be labeled a loser: "The American so-called free-enterprise system, highly competitive, investment-conscious, expansionist, repels a loser policy by instinctive defense movements centering in the ganglia of the presidency. No matter what direction the incumbent, as candidate, was pointing in, he slowly pivots once he assumes office."

Questions for President Obama: Have you, like Vietnam-era presidents, pivoted toward yet another surge simply to avoid the label of "loser" in Afghanistan? And if the cost of victory (however defined) is hundreds, or even thousands, more American military casualties, hundreds of billions of additional dollars spent, and extensive collateral damage and blowback, will this "victory" not be a pyrrhic one, achieved at a price so dear as to be indistinguishable from defeat?

3. Though critical of the U.S. military in Vietnam, McCarthy was even more critical of American civilian officials there. "On the whole," she wrote, they "behaved like a team of promoters with a dubious 'growth' stock they were brokering." At least military men were often more forthright than the civilians, if not necessarily more self-aware, McCarthy noted, because they were part of the war -- the product, so to speak -- not its salesmen.

Questions for President Obama: In promising to send a new "surge" of State Department personnel and other civilians into Afghanistan, are you prepared as well to parse their words? Are you braced in case they sell you a false bill of goods, even if the sellers themselves, in their eagerness to speak fairy tales to power, continually ignore the Fantasyland nature of their tale?

4. Well before Bush administration officials boasted about creating their own reality and new "facts on the ground" in Iraq, Mary McCarthy recognized the danger of another type of "fact": "The more troops and matériel committed to Vietnam, the more retreat appears to be cut off -- not by an enemy, but by our own numbers. To call for withdrawal in the face of that commitment... is to seem to argue not against a policy, but against facts, which by their very nature are unanswerable."

Questions for President Obama: If your surge in Afghanistan fails, will you be able to de-escalate as quickly as you escalated? Or will the fact that you've put more troops in harm's way (with all their equipment and all the money that will go into new base and airfield and road construction), and committed more of your prestige to prevailing, make it even harder to consider leaving?

5. A cursory reading of The Pentagon Papers, the famously secret government documents on Vietnam leaked to the New York Times by Daniel Ellsberg, reveals how skeptical America's top officials were, early on, in pursuing a military solution to the situation in South Vietnam. Nevertheless, knowing better, the "best and brightest," as journalist David Halberstam termed them in his famous, ironic book title, still talked themselves into it; and they did so, as McCarthy noted, because they set seemingly meaningful goals ("metrics" or "benchmarks," we'd say today), which they then convinced themselves they were actually achieving. When you trick yourself into believing that you're meeting your goals, as Halberstam noted, there's no reason to reexamine your course of action.

Questions for President Obama: Much has been written about an internal struggle within your administration over the wisdom of surging in Afghanistan. Now, you, too, have called for the setting of "benchmarks" for your new strategy's success. Are you wise enough to set them to capture the complexities of political realities on the ground rather than playing to American strengths? Are you capable of re-examining them, even when your advisors assure you that they are being achieved?

6. In her day, Mary McCarthy recognized the inequities of burden-sharing at home when it came to the war in Vietnam: "Casualty figures, still low [in 1967], seldom strike home outside rural and low-income groups -- the silent part of society. The absence of sacrifices [among the privileged classes] has had its effect on the opposition [to the war], which feels no need, on the whole, to turn away from its habitual standards and practices -- what for? We have not withdrawn our sympathy from American power and from the way of life that is tied to it -- a connection that is more evident to a low-grade G.I. in Vietnam than to most American intellectuals."

Questions for President Obama: Are you willing to listen to the common G.I. as well as to the generals who have your ear? Are you willing to insist on greater equity in burden-sharing, since once again most of the burden of Iraq and Afghanistan has fallen on "the silent part of society"? Are you able to recognize that the "best and brightest" in the corridors of power may not be the wisest exactly because they have so little to lose (and perhaps much to gain) from our "overseas contingency operations"?

7. McCarthy was remarkably perceptive when it came to the seductiveness of American technological prowess. Our technological superiority, she wrote, was a large part of "our willingness to get into Vietnam and stay there... The technological gap between us and the North Vietnamese constituted, we thought, an advantage which obliged us not to quit."

Questions for President Obama: Rather than providing us with a war-winning edge, might our robot drones, satellite imagery, and all our other gadgetry of war seduce us into believing that we can "prevail" at a reasonable and sustainable cost? Indeed, do we think we should prevail precisely because our high-tech military brags of "full spectrum dominance"?

One bonus lesson from Mary McCarthy before we take our leave of her: Even now, we speak too often of "Bush's war" or, more recently, "Obama's war." Before we start chattering mindlessly about Iraq and Afghanistan as American tragedies, we would do well to recall what McCarthy had to say about the war in Vietnam: "There is something distasteful," she wrote, "in the very notion of approaching [Vietnam] as an American tragedy, whose protagonist is a great suffering Texan [President Lyndon Baines Johnson]."

Yes, there is something distasteful about a media that blithely refers to Bush's or Obama's war as hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghanis suffer. For American troops, after all, are not the only ones paying the ultimate price when the U.S. fights foreign wars for ill-considered reasons and misguided goals.

William J. Astore, a retired lieutenant colonel (USAF), taught for six years at the Air Force Academy. A TomDispatch regular, he currently teaches at the Pennsylvania College of Technology and is the author of Hindenburg: Icon of German Militarism (Potomac Press, 2005), among other works. He may be reached at wastore@pct.edu.

Copyright 2009 William Astore

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Afghanistan – Corruption or Defeat?

The_leadersAfghanistan, November 10, 2009, (Pal Telegraph) - Can we recall our respective illustrious leaders saying that more troops had to be made available for the forthcoming Afghan elections to make sure that it remained democratic and fair? Can we recall the increase in troop fatalities in the lead up to those elections and how our leaders condemned those attacks all in the name of democracy?

Can we all recall that soon after the Afghanistan election our respective leaders said that the election was democratic, successful and were pleased with the results? Can we recall just days after the results were made available that the UN had agreed with opposition members that in actual fact the whole election campaign was rife with corruption? Can we recall that again our leaders took sides and agreed with the UN and demanded a run off? Can we then remember Karzai backing down and agreeing to another run off? It was around this time that the commander of ISAF forces asked for a massive injection of troops and that if we did not do this the war could well be lost.

Then we had a cat and mouse game going on between Obama, Brown and Karzai. The President said that he would not put his troops in harms way until their was a democratic government in Afghanistan. This was immediately followed by Brown repeating almost word for word the same quote. Whilst all this was going on the ISAF Commander was seeking an urgent response to his request. This was followed by members of Congress also demanding that this hesitation be resolved in order to protect our troops in Afghanistan.

Things then took a dramatic turn when the leader of the opposition backed down and stated that he would not be contesting Karzai? Suddenly we had those same leaders congratulating Karzai on his victory and Ban Ki Moon making that special flight to Kabul to personally congratulate him? So much for the sacrifice of our troops all in the name of democracy!

After the dust had again settled we saw a massive increase in ISAF fatalities along with a barrage of accusation made against the British Government regarding the lack of logistical support such as helicopters etc. Then at last we saw that the general public where starting to see that this war was rather futile and turning into another Vietnam. The final straw came when 6 British Soldiers died at the hands of one of the Policemen that they had trained.

Throughout the last couple of months we have heard both Obama and Brown repeat the same statement after the death of even more troops that "This will only strengthen our resolve" we have also seen key senior commanders repeating the same spin and even an array of carefully selected ex Afghan commanders appearing on television to say that this war can be won.

Mr Brown again used the same old statement to the British public that we must continue the battle in Afghanistan to make sure the streets of Britain remain safe. It was also very soon after this political drive that he again repeated that the main area of concerned was Pakistan and the border region and yet from the ISAF perspective this area has little or no activity. It was also repeated yet again that only around 100 Al Qaeda remain inside Afghanistan.

If one looks at the Afghanistan Provinces adjacent to the current Pakistan conflict zone we find that only 139 troops in total have died since the start of the war to date and of these only 26 have died this year. It must be remembered that this area in the past has housed Al Qaeda and Taliban Militia and is the area that is likely to again received militia that are being pushed over by the Pakistan Army. Why isn't this area receiving the same attention as the region either side of the pipeline route.....at the end of the day this war was supposed to be all about Al Qaeda?

Afghan_map_3_copyOne does not have to be a Field Marshall to understand that you take the battle to the area of concern and if possible attack the enemy on at least two fronts. Consequently we have the Pakistan Army fighting in mass with around 30,000 soldiers into the insurgent stronghold of South Waziristan, a tribal region bordering Afghanistan (as marked on the map). It was estimated that around 10,000 militants and foreign fighters exist in the region. The Pakistan Army stated that this was a full-scale ground offensive against Taliban and al-Qaida insurgents. The headlines after day two of this operation read as follows: "Pakistan hits Taliban, urges NATO to seal border" the article went on to say that the remote and rugged South Waziristan is a global hub for militants.

It's ironic that the US forces have only returned to the adjacent Afghanistan province for a two day operation this month after an absence of over three years. One can see the frustration by Pakistan in being pushed by the US and UK to resolve terrorism in their country which was as a direct result of US forces pushing the problem over the border. Now we see Pakistan troops have the potential to push them back into Afghanistan and no one will be on the other side to deal with the return of the problem.

I continue to ask the question "Why are we still in Afghanistan? Why are there so many troops and more required? If the main terrorist activity is in the region indicated why are NATO troop's fighter such a long distance away from those they have been tracking down for such a long period of time? Is there some other hidden agenda such as the TAPI pipeline? Let's just take a brief look again at the map above to show where the main problem areas are in regard to these so called terrorist and also see where all our troops are dying and for what?

One can see that there is significant activity along the pipeline route with the highest death rate. The main enemy (according to the US, UK and NATO forces) are those that were driven over the border, but this factor doesn't appear to cause any concern. How many times have we seen a surge in certain areas to then see them pull out and watch the Taliban return to the area that so many people died for? If it was so important to remove the enemy from the area why wouldn't you stand your ground, defend and protect it?

As we can now see the Pakistan Government were harassed by the US to do something about terrorism in the northwest but for what purpose, to again attack the militia and have them cross back over the border into Afghanistan and if so who will stop them re grouping and killing more soldiers?

There are so many things that really do not make sense.

We have listened to Gordon Brown repeat time and time again that we have the right strategy in Afghanistan and we will not turn our backs on its people. He makes it clear that the purpose is to remove Al Qaeda and Taliban and continue training Afghans until they are strong enough to take back military control of their country. He again places an emphasis that we must persevere in the effort to keep our street free of terrorists and yet no Taliban have attacked the US/UK.

Only when the death toll continues to rise and only when senior military officer start to be critical of government does he now start to show signs of weakness. We have always known there has been an acute shortage of helicopters to which he repeatedly denied. He backed this belief up by asking one of the commanders if the lack of helicopter were instrumental in the deaths of 6 British troops recently and then issued a statement that in this particular case there were helicopters available to cover the task. Now only this week he announced a sizeable increase in helicopters being made available to the troops in Afghanistan by spring next year and a much higher ratio in flying hours. This obviously told us the public that there was definitely a shortage of helicopters. My question would be why they have to wait for so long and how many more troops will die because of the lack of supply and logistical support.

One cannot totally blame the Prime Minister because the responsibility for such operations, supply and logistics remains under the control of The Secretary of State for Defence who has an array of Sub Ministers, Defence Department Staff and Department of Defence to guide him. It would be an opportune time to look at some of the past and current gentlemen that have held this vital position. We certainly would have to go back a long way before we were able to find any person that was truly worthy of such a position. Historically we can start with George Robertson, Geoff Hoon, John Reid, John Hutton (very short lived) and finally the current and most ineffective Bob Ainsworth. Many of these so called astute gentlemen told so many fairytales and deceived we the public.

Now we unfortunately have to get back to Gordon Brown who has now turned the failings of the war effort into a case of "Corruption in Afghanistan". Both he and Obama are now saying exactly the same "We will not allow anymore troops to get into harms way until Afghanistan has sorted out its own Corruption" I have to say hey both sound like conjoined twins. Now it appears that at last they are starting to accept that this is another Vietnam and Brown for the first time gave a slight indication of possible defeat.

So could this be the first sign of an exit strategy by using corruption in Afghanistan as the means to an end? What happened to the war for democracy? What happened to the statement that "We have the right strategy? Do they believe that the only ones involved in corruption were the Afghans? If Iraq is to act as a template for such a statement I can assure you that corruption is rife at all levels on all sides with the added bonus of deceit at the highest level.

It would be appropriate just prior to the pullout for Obama and Brown to hold a press conference in Kabul and wait for the barrage of shoes that will head their way (even if they do happened to be second hand shoes that are worn by a nation in extreme poverty) It would be a goodwill gesture for all International NGO's around the world to start collecting shoes to act as a back up supply for the press conference and any surplus could be made available for a shoe throwing rally in Washington and London.

The President that promised change to the people of the US has reversed almost every promise made and is showing clear signs of become a person who will surpass George W Bush.........Obama promised his people change but change didn't come. Instead Wall Street was allowed to orchestrate the financial meltdown under the watchful eye of both Bush and Obama with the worlds best financial expert in Britain watching on. This rape of taxpayer's money continues to rise and guess what? $6.8 Trillion has gone missing from the vaults of America without trace and no enquiry. The Federal Reserve Bank continues to rule the President and US Government by strategically placing its operatives next to Obama in senior advisory roles. The Federal Reserve Bank does not have to answer to any US law and therefore has a free hand to do what it likes.

Why is it that taxpayers are bled of all their reserves to prop up those who intentionally allowed this to happen then within a year show huge profits and continue to hand out payments to their staff. Those institutions then either have governments as shareholders or they pay back the loans. Likewise the governments who have taken taxpayers money and also borrowed from China, Middle East or wherever eventually pay back their overdraft.

My question is that if we the public have to then suffer by extra taxes over the next 5-10 years of so to cover this huge IOU then when do the taxpayers get paid back?........the answer is simple.....they never do!.......but that's another story for another day. Oh I forget, before you leave the war zone I would like to thank you on behalf of the people of Afghanistan for contaminating the country with weapons containing uranium components and killing off the genetics of Afghanistan (people - land - crops - water) ......just like you have done in the Balkans, Kuwait and Iraq. Maybe we should also extend this thank you for the supply of weapons to Israel, allowing further contamination of Lebanon and Gaza (Palestine) and thus also contaminating Israel itself and beyond.

It was reported today that a possible NATO airstrike may have killed Afghan soldiers as well as Afghan police when they mistakenly hit a joint base housing coalition troops and Afghan security forces. 8 Afghans were killed and 22 injured which included 5 US troops. The UN Representative and other unnamed international figures have been very critical of the Afghan Government who has now accused them of interfering in Afghanistan internal affairs. President Obama and Prime Minister Gordon Brown have added their weight to the criticism. I think we can all see that this may well form the basis of a defeat and a phased pullout using corruption as diversionary tactic.

From my perspective - "Admit you were wrong" - "Admit defeat" - "Pull out" and bring the troops home. In doing so you will save trillion of dollars that is so vital to our respective countries economy and help us overcome this economic collapse that you have allowed to occur. In passing I would also like to add that in doing so you will reduce the military carbon footprint that according to your front man Gore is so vital for our survival.....buy hey that's another propaganda story we can cover another time......keep watching this space.


- Peter Eyre, Middle East Consultant

 

Lesson of Vietnam Lost in Afghanistan

Posted on Aug 20, 2009

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U.S. soldiers in 2007 search mountains in the Andar province of Afghanistan for Taliban members and weapons caches.

By Stanley Kutler

On Aug. 17, President Barack Obama made the obligatory presidential pilgrimage to the conclave of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, this time on Sen. John McCain’s home turf. The Phoenix speech, carried live on cable networks, captured a VFW audience often surly and seemingly uninterested in the president’s remarks. But at one point, he predictably brought even his recalcitrant audience to its feet when he made a pitch for his health care proposals: “One thing that reform won’t change is veterans’ health care. No one is going to take away your benefits. That’s the truth.” No doubt.

Away from the convention, the president and his spokespersons spent much of the day backing and filling on health care. Did he or didn’t he favor a public option? How much would “his” package (did he have one?) cost? And what about those “death panels”?

But for the VFW, Obama concentrated on the expanding war in Afghanistan—the war he now proudly asserts as his own. After in effect declaring victory in Iraq to justify the removal of American troops, Obama promised he now would “refocus” our efforts to “win” in Afghanistan. As Obama made abundantly clear in his presidential campaign, this was his war of choice, the one he consistently has said is necessary to eliminate al-Qaida, which had taken refuge in the desolate Afghan mountains.

During the campaign, he seemed at pains to demonstrate he was not the caricatured soft liberal when it came to American military power. Although Obama consistently has admitted, as he did before the VFW in Arizona, that military power alone will not be sufficient, he nevertheless has insisted that his “new strategy” has the clear mission “to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al-Qaida.” Obama knows that defeat of the Taliban is essential to this strategy. “If left unchecked,” he has remarked, the Taliban insurgency will bring “an even larger safe haven from which al-Qaida would plot to kill more Americans.” It is not, he maintains, a “war of choice,” but “a war of necessity.”

In 1991, following the defeat of Saddam Hussein and Iraqi forces in Kuwait, President George H.W. Bush proudly announced that we had “kicked the Vietnam Syndrome.” His successor son, propelled by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, heady with 2003’s lightning rout of Iraqi forces, believed he had restored the “can do” notions of World War II for the military component of American foreign policy.

The same day President Obama spoke to the VFW, The New York Times carried a dispatch from Afghanistan in which a villager talked about his security and the difference between night and day: “When you [the Americans] leave here, the Taliban will come at night and ask us why we were talking to you,” a villager named Abdul Razzaq said. “If we cooperate [with the U.S.], they would kill us.”

Déjà vu all over again. The U.S. military in Vietnam often announced it had killed a particular number of Viet Cong and had “freed” a village. The Americans left, assuming the enemy had lost control, but at night, of course, the VC returned and reminded villagers of the reality.

Whatever “syndrome” we kicked, Vietnam’s primary lesson remains intact: American power is not without limits, both in terms of defeating an enemy and in terms of its domestic support. The primary lesson of Vietnam seems to be that it is a lesson lost. And now we have some of the same intractable problems in Afghanistan.

Gen. Stanley McChrystal and Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke recently called Vietnam War historian Stanley Karnow for advice. After the conversation, Karnow told the AP that the main lesson to be learned from Vietnam was that “we shouldn’t have been there in the first place.” We apparently don’t know what was said on the other end in Karnow’s talk with the general and the envoy, but McChrystal has asked for more troops.

As Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson expanded the American commitment in Vietnam, their deputies regularly insisted that the insurgency had Chinese support and backing. “Peiping,” as Secretary of State Dean Rusk said in blatantly demeaning the Chinese, was to blame. If the government had had any historians with the courage to speak truth to power, they would have pointed to a millennium of historical enmity between the Chinese and the Vietnamese. As if to prove the point, the Chinese launched war against the victorious Vietnamese in 1975, only to suffer an embarrassing defeat.

The historical lessons for Afghanistan are clear. The British readily acknowledge their defeat. Surely the Russians know that Afghanistan was their Vietnam—with some not-so-covert intervention by the CIA. Afghanistan has been a graveyard for imperial ambitions, however noble and ostensibly good the ventures may have been. Long after the Guns of Health Care Reform are stilled, Afghanistan apparently promises to be with President Obama—and us—for a very long time.

We thought we defeated the Taliban once before; and now it is back again. President Obama believes we must do more to roll back the Taliban. But what can we do with the ethnic and tribal rivalries, the corruption and inefficiency in Kabul, all of which are related to the place of the Taliban? Will the U.S. be able to destroy, everywhere in the country, the Taliban’s grip on power? Does anyone in Obama’s circle ask “why?”

We can ponder the alternative. If successful, the Taliban might offer “an even larger safe haven” for al-Qaida and similar groups. But now, without Taliban control of the Afghanistan government, “safe havens” persist in the mountains of the country and in the northwest provinces of Pakistan. The situation is not much different than it was in 2001, except that the safe area for terrorists may be smaller. But what is different is our intelligence, our use of it, our vigilance and our capacity to strike with sophisticated air weapons.

Americans are questioning the Afghanistan involvement as never before. A Washington Post-ABC Poll, published this week, for the first time showed a majority of Americans opposed to the war. Meanwhile, suicide bombings and other attacks mount in Kabul. U.S. troops can protect the citizenry only sporadically, and with limitations. But inevitably, Americans will ask how long we will remain in Afghanistan, how many troops will be needed, and whether the costs in lives and treasure justify the venture. As with the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese army, chances of our destroying the Taliban are slight. Eventually, the Afghans—Taliban or otherwise—will inherit their land and have to assume responsibility for governing. We, like the British and the Russians before us, will fade into Afghanistan’s history.

Stanley Kutler is the author of “The Wars of Watergate” and other writings.

 

Afghanistan can become Obama's Vietnam: Clinton

Posted: Feb 18, 2009

Washington

If the US President attempts to do what the British and the Russians did in the past, then Afghanistan could become 'Barack Obama's Vietnam', but it is unlikely to happen, former president Bill Clinton has said.

"If President Obama were to do what the British tried to do in the 19th century and literally control the country, or what the Russians did into the 1980s, trying to, have a puppet government and then send the whole Russian Army in there to fight, it could become Vietnam," Clinton told Larry King of the CNN in an interview.

"But I don't expect that to happen," Clinton said when asked if Afghanistan has the potential to become Obama's Vietnam. "In theory, it could happen. But I don't think so. I think what they mean is that Afghanistan has often been a sinkhole for other country's aspirations, that it is big, tough terrain, rugged people and impossible to control the borders," he said.

"He's (Obama) got perhaps our smartest General, Gen Petraeus, and our most successful diplomat in the modern era, Dick (Richard) Holbrooke, working together to craft a military and diplomatic strategy, strongly supported by (Secretary of State) Hillary (Clinton) and Secretary (of Defence Robert) Gates," Clinton said.

Holbrooke, the Special US Envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan was recently in the region visiting Afghanistan, Pakistan and India to listen to the view of the leaders of these countries.

Clinton said the leadership of the Obama Administration knows what the risks are in Afghanistan.

"But they believe the risks of non-involvement, losing the Afghan democracy, having the Taliban come back in and institute the most repressive government in modern history against women and little girls, giving free reign to the Afghan -- Al Qaeda, all over Afghanistan -- those risks are far greater," he said.

"So I think that they'll be smart. I think they learned some lessons in Iraq. And I believe they've got a reasonable chance to succeed and no alternative but to try," Clinton said.

The former US president said, "As you see from the area of Pakistan where the Al Qaeda leaders and a lot of their Taliban supporters have hung out, hidden and from which they have launched attacks and incursions into Afghanistan.

"That's never ever even been a part of the central government's control in Pakistan."

FROM: http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Afghanistan-can-become-Obamas-Vietnam-Clinton/425109/

 

Friday, October 23, 2009

Iraq? Afghanistan? Pakistan? Is Arabic for Vietnam

That old “Vietnam is Arabic for Iraq” bumper sticker is still on my car. Am I out-of-date? The continuing presence of Cheney’s sneer on U.S. TV, as though he should be considered a legitimate public figure instead of a discredited national disaster, suggests that I am not. The pattern of errors from the French Indochina War to the American Indochina War to the War Against Islamic Independence (if I may be permitted to assign the sort of names that may become generally accepted by historians of the future) is ominous. By failing unambiguously to denounce the mistakes of their allies and predecessors, American politicians ensure the repetition of their mistakes.

Overconfidence. The French, being in Vietnam first, led the way in making fundamental mistakes. According to The Pentagon Papers:

In May, 1947, Minister of War Coste-Floret announced in Paris that: "There is no military problem any longer in Indochina . . . the success of French arms is complete." Within six months, though ambitious armored, amphibious, and airborne drives had plunged into the northern mountains and along the Annam coast, Viet Minh sabotage and raids along lines of communication had mounted steadily, and Paris had come to realize that France had lost the military initiative.

Military Solutions to Political Problems.

The record shows that through 1953, the French pursued a policy which was based on military victory and excluded meaningful negotiations with Ho Chi Minh.

Simplistic Analysis of the Adversary. The following classic oversimplification is of course a self-fulfilling prophesy of which politicians seem never to tire:

American thinking and policy-making was dominated by the tendency to view communism in monolithic terms.

It is ironic that this Washington attitude toward the Viet Minh existed, since relations between the anti-Japanese Viet Minh and the U.S. had been cooperative during World War II.

Creeping Commitment.

From 1946 to 1954, France became increasingly engaged in a major counter-insurgency campaign in Indochina. At first, the threat was not immediately recognized as being serious, but it soon became a strategic imperative for France to keep its colony, and prevent a precedent to be emulated across its colonial empire. Furthermore, after its defeat in June 1940 by Germany, France was engaged in reinstating itself as a major power, and would not allow a colonial conflict to be lost to a gang of insurgents. Over time, the French military commitment, including auxiliaries and Vietnamese allies, reached nearly 450,000 troops.. Source.

Take Key Assumptions for Granted. The surest path to disaster is the failure to question fundamental assumptions, and the classic assumption is of course that everything you want is essential for survival. Whatever you do, never waste time trying to figure out an alternative way of achieving one’s goal.

The U.S. Government internal debate on the question of intervention centered essentially on the desirability and feasibility of U.S. military action. Indochina's importance to U.S. security interests in the Far East was taken for granted.

Making Historic Decisions Too Quickly. Truman’s decision only three days after the North Korean attack on South Korea in 1950 to provide significant military aid to the French war against the Viet-Minh, who had assumed power, declared Vietnamese independence, and requested international recognition following Japan’s surrender, is a classic. The US military aid surge notwithstanding, by the end of the year, a Viet-Minh campaign to destroy French forts on the Vietnamese-Chinese border had inflicted what has been called the worst colonial defeat of French forces since the 1767 loss of Quebec.

Where, in all the conflict, is any Western awareness of the natural preference of societies for making their own decisions? Regardless of right or wrong, once a society perceives a domestic conflict as being dominated by foreigners, those foreigners begin to lose momentum. Perhaps the key fact about the whole post-WWII Western experience in Vietnam is that the French had to reinvade after Japan’s defeat, e.g., the 1946 naval shelling of Haiphong and consequent slaughter of thousands of Vietnamese and provocation of the French Indochina War following the unilateral French decision to modify its previous recognition of Vietnamese independence by limiting the Viet Minh regime to the north.

 

Without More Troops, Afghanistan Defeat Looms Large

Monday, October 19, 2009 12:44 PM

By: Arnaud de Borchgrave A Talib is a male student who is attending, or who has graduated, from a madrassa and can recite the Quran in Arabic by heart.

To learn Arabic and use the language of the prophet to recite in rhythmic tones the entire quran's 114 chapters and 6,236 verses takes about 10 years. By the time a Talib graduates at 16, he knows little else, except that the earth is flat as a rug or a bed (mentioned many times in the holy book with one exception when it is described as egg-shaped).

Most important in a Talib's one-dimensional education is the firm belief that America, India, and Israel are mortal enemies of Islam.

The original spark plug for Pakistan's 12,500 madrassas originated during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s. The idea, warmly endorsed by the United States and Saudi Arabia, was the erection of an ideological barrier against communist ideology.

As the United States turned against Pakistan for its secret nuclear weapons program in the 1990s, the Taliban's Afghan branch, the brainchild of ISI, Pakistan's intelligence service, was spun off to put an end to civil war in Afghanistan and seize power.

It then ruled for four years, imposing a cruel Islamist dictatorship where music, TV, and girl schools were banned. Public floggings and executions were the only public spectacles allowed.

In May 2001 Pakistan's Baluchistan soccer team returned from a non-match in Kandahar. The Taliban didn't allow the players to wear shorts; only long baggy sweat pants were permitted.

The Taliban was defeated by the United States in October 2001 for hosting Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida terrorists. But, funded partly by Afghanistan's multibillion-dollar illicit opium-to-heroin narcotics trade and by clandestine benefactors in the Gulf, the Taliban has staged a dramatic comeback.

Even the commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, says unless President Obama authorizes 40,000 additional U.S. troops, bringing the total U.S. force to 105,000, the possibility of another Vietnam-type defeat looms large.

Training an indigenous Afghan army from an illiterate manpower pool and increasing its strength from 80,000 to 250,000 will take another four or five years. Meanwhile, a majority of Americans have turned against the war.

The Taliban's privileged sanctuaries in Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas made the war unwinnable. Under constant U.S. prodding, Pakistan finally moved troops from the Indian border to take on Taliban in FATA in the mid-2000s.

Badly mauled by Taliban insurgents (1,400 killed, 4,000 wounded), the Pakistani army stood down. Emboldened, the Pakistani branch of the Taliban launched an offensive that swallowed the scenic Swat Valley and pushed to within 60 miles of Islamabad.

Pride stung again, the army counter-attacked and took back Swat, and the Taliban launched terrorist attacks. Suicide bombers struck repeatedly in Pakistan's major cities, even boldly penetrated Pakistan's Pentagon. Inside general headquarters in Rawalpindi, insurgents armed with AK-47s, grenades, and rocket launchers held their own for 22 hours, killing a one-star general and a colonel. Two dozen hostages were taken and saved when a suicide bomber was killed before he could detonate his vest.

The Taliban even came back to Swat, where they attacked a military convoy, killing 40. Some 8,000 Pakistanis have lost their lives in 129 terrorist attacks since former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto was assassinated two years ago.

The HQ attack finally prodded the military to take on the Taliban in FATA's Waziristan tribal areas, where they are deeply entrenched and heavily armed, along with Uzbek guerrillas who have been with them since their defeat in Afghanistan's Tora Bora mountain range in December 2001, when bin Laden made it out unscathed with some 500 al-Qaida fighters.

Two-thirds of Pakistanis see the United States as the "enemy," according to a recent Pew Research Center survey. Most believe Sept. 11, 2001, was a CIA-Mossad conspiracy to provide a pretext for a crusade against Islamist militancy.

Pakistan's anti-U.S. feelings were rubbed raw when the "insulting" Kerry-Lugar bill authorized $1.5 billion a year for five years only to be spent on items approved by the United States — peanuts next to the trillion-dollar war in Iraq and the $230 billion war in Afghanistan, now in its ninth year.

The cost of keeping a single U.S. soldier behind the Hindu Kush is $1 million a year. And each gallon of gasoline in the Afghan theater runs the U.S. taxpayer $400, including transportation across a couple of continents.

Former President Farooq Leghari (1993-97) blasted the Pakistan Enduring Assistance and Cooperation Enhancement Act of 2009, commonly known as the Kerry-Lugar Bill, as a "supreme example of the servility and shamelessness of our top-most leadership who secretly aided and acquiesced in the unbearable presumptions, language and conditionalities that leave Pakistan in the dock of a country whose armed forces and ISI stand accused and 'proven guilty' of initiating, aiding and abetting terrorism . . . of a country to be held hostage to accusations of terrorist activity by India and Afghanistan, a country whose entire social, religious, educational and economic direction would be determined by U.S. congressional committees and their government, whose defense forces senior positions will be in the oversight and final endorsement of that government, whose entire nuclear program and its personnel will be accessible to that government and whose federal and provincial departments and local authorities and favored NGOs will be directly beholden to that government."

Never publicly, concluded Leghari in an article e-mailed to this reporter, has even a "banana republic" succumbed to such conditionalities.

He pinned the blame squarely on "corrupt rulers" who stole billions of dollars and hid their "ill-gotten wealth with the help of international money-laundering consultants in one shell company after another in foreign countries, obfuscating their criminal past by massive bribery through a corrupt judicial system."

Were all this fraud to be brought back, Leghari concluded, "Pakistan would have more dollars than the Kerry-Lugar dispensation and whatever else we seek with begging bowls in our hands."

The new Taliban leader for Pakistan, "Emir" Hakimullah Mehsud, who replaced his brother Baitullah after he was killed by a U.S. drone strike, held a news conference last week for Pakistani reporters, in which he spelled out the insurgents' two key objectives: 1) getting Pakistan to abandon "the company of America" and 2) enforcing Islamic Shariah law. Judging from Pakistan's unanimously hostile reaction to Kerry-Lugar and the Taliban's attack against GHQ, the country's nuclear arsenal may not be impregnable forever.

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The US must think again      


JEREMY CORBYN
Morning Star, Tuesday 10 February 2009

Why pulling out of the Afghan debacle is more important than ever for Obama, writes JEREMY CORBYN.

THE latest opinion polls in the United States conducted by the BBC, ABC and the German broadcaster ARD show that 20 per cent of people think that the Afghan Karzai government is doing a poor job, compared with only 8 per cent in 2007.
In the US, 63 per cent back the President's forces in Afghanistan, down from 71 per cent in 2007 and 78 per cent three years ago.

In Britain, there has been a similar decline in support for the presence of British troops in Afghanistan.
Both President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made much in their primary campaigns of withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

Obama's case was a logical continuation of his opposition to the war from 2003 and Clinton offered a mea culpa for her patriotic support for Bush in 2001 and 2003.

In his inauguration address, Obama managed to convey a brilliant sense of optimism on the home front, but, once again, he asserted the US military position around the world, albeit using much more conciliatory rhetoric than George Bush ever managed.

Obama has consistently argued that the "real war" is in Afghanistan. At enormous cost, he is prepared to commit the US to "win the war."

Last Saturday, he dispatched Vice-President Joe Biden to the Munich security conference and his job appeared to be to set the mood for the Obama administration's foreign policy.

He opened with a tone of bipartisanship and claimed that the US would listen to international alliances and organisations and would consult with them.

So far, so good. He then went on to deal with three pressing issues.

On Iran, Biden praised the Persian civilisation and confirmed a review of policy towards Iran and a willingness to talk.
Then came the aggressive fist.

"Continue down your current course and there will be pressure and isolation. Abandon the illicit nuclear programme and your support for terrorism and there will be meaningful incentives."

On Israel, he confirmed US support for a two-state solution and defeat for extremism, adding that the US would build on the positive elements of the Arab Peace Initiative.

However, he offered not one word of condemnation for Israel's occupation of the West Bank, illegal use of weaponry in Gaza or imprisonment of Palestinian parliamentarians.

Biden's views on Afghanistan came the nearest anyone has done to defining a war aim, which seems to be to prevent a "terrorist safe haven" from existing in Afghanistan.

The Munich conference was attended by defence ministers, military top brass, including General David Petraeus, and ghosts from the cold war such as Henry Kissinger, who was warmly embraced by Biden.

Veteran peace activist Tom Hayden has just produced a very interesting presentation of a timeline of the US commitment, involvement and final defeat in Vietnam and he has compared it with Iraq.

Hayden, like many in the US, is deeply concerned that Obama's presidency will be distracted, undermined and finally derailed by pressing on with the war in Afghanistan. He fears that, for the war to be successful, military activity in Pakistan must increase, threatening serious destabilisation of the Pakistani government.

MP John Hutton's contribution to the Munich conference was to repeat his endless bleating that the NATO powers are not stepping up to the plate and taking responsibility by committing more troops to the conflict.

British military operations in Afghanistan are becoming increasingly costly and increasingly dangerous as the British death toll nears 150. The civilian death toll was well over 2,000 in 2008. This figure already looks likely to be much higher this year.

The Ministry of Defence is obviously concerned that public opinion is quickly moving against the Afghan conflict, hence its support for Sky TV embedding Ross Kemp with British troops in Afghanistan, where he is able to graphically report on the hardships the soldiers face and the dangers with which they have to grapple.

What his programme does not discuss is why the troops are there in the first place or what would constitute a victory were they to leave.

Last Thursday, a parliamentary debate showed the arrogance of Foreign Secretary David Miliband's view that the whole point of staying in Afghanistan was to support the Afghan government. He bizarrely claimed that it was not to "create a new colony."

In the debate, Miliband pointed out that the Department for International Development is spending £10.6 million on development assistance, but he conceded that there were problems of corruption and inefficiency in dispersing the programme. He did not reveal the real cost of British military operations in Afghanistan, which now run into billions over the last seven years.

However much media manipulation and propaganda is promoted by the British government and the US administration about the bravery and commitment of soldiers, the reality is that this war has already lasted two years longer than the second world war and there is no prospect of an early departure while the current policies remain in place.

To make progress, the NATO and US forces know that they will have to cross into Pakistan in numbers in order to occupy much of the border region.

The Soviet Union was defeated in Afghanistan by the forces of the Mojahedin, created and funded by the US. Those very same weapons and organisation are now ranged against the NATO and allied forces.

Now surely is the time for the West to realise that, by being sucked into Afghanistan in ever-greater numbers and refusing to open discussions with the Taliban, it is just continuing Bush's infamous and ill-fated war on terror.

At a time when the US and Western European economies are facing massive problems due to the failure of their banking systems, it seems strange that all should be committed to this costly and vainglorious attempt to create a government in the West's own image in Afghanistan. Pakistan has an enormous army and nuclear weapons and the serious prospect of destabilisation of Pakistan creates the ultimate horror spectacle for the whole world. It's time to think again.

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