Jordan Maxwell: The Takeover of Planet
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Maxwell: The Takeover of Planet Earth Los Angeles, California,
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All you need to do is just go out and do your job and have fun
and watch your basketball and stay out of the way of the adults that
run the world. I never bought that.
*** Nothing in this world
– nothing – works the way you think it does. There’s always
more to the story.
*** But the reason why I’m here doing what
I’m doing is because of this mutation which is being foisted on
the human race – it’s being forced on the human race. This
change that the Masters of the Universe, so to speak, have in mind for
the human race is being foisted on us.
And I believe,
again just my opinion, that my part in this cosmic scheme or this
cosmic play is to call people back to their humanity and let them
know: You’re being lead down the garden path into something you
don’t know what’s coming.
*** You know, I can’t stand it
when people say that this is all high technology of our government.
No. I don’t buy that for a minute. What I’ve seen with my own eyes, I
don’t buy it for a minute. If it has to do with our government, then
what I have actually witnessed with my own eyes, if it has to do with
the U.S. government, then it means that the U.S. government is in
league with extraterrestrials, because what I saw is extraterrestrial
*** But I am totally convinced that there is now on
the Earth – again, for lack of a better term – alien presence which
are the enemies of the human race, and they are obviously enemies of
whoever the original Creators of us – because of the things I’ve been
told, that the people, or the entities who created us, the
“gods” who created us, have enemies out there in the universe.
*** Something I want to say about Spielberg... I have many,
many, many friends in the industry and I already know because I’ve
been told that virtually all the major names in Hollywood know who I
am. They should! I’ve been talking for 48 years, and they’re using all
my stuff now, so they should know me.
*** So I’m saying that I
am totally convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt, for myself, that
there are such things as reptile aliens, though I have never seen one,
thank God. But I totally believe they’re here – not because of David
Icke, not because of Credo Mutwa who I love listening to; a wonderful,
fascinating man. David Icke has done great stuff. But I believe there
are reptile aliens here because of my own personal research.
Be aware that there is a war for your soul.
[set-up talking and joking omitted]
KERRY CASSIDY (KC): Jordan Maxwell, I’m very excited to be
here with you today. Bill Ryan and I -- I’m Kerry Cassidy from Project
Camelot -- couldn’t be more thrilled to have this honor of
You’re one of the preeminent researchers;
you’ve been on the scene for over 40 years. I think you’re really
responsible for David Icke and Zecharia Sitchin, and numerous others
coming to the fore, talking about secret societies, the Illuminati,
and really, The Powers That Be behind the scenes.
no doubt that everyone, Hoagland, you name it, even Wilcock --
everyone owes you a great THANK YOU for bringing this
subject-matter to the fore, and for your amazingly diligent research
in this area.
You’re an amazing mind. You’re really a national
treasure, if you don’t mind my saying so, here in America, and I know
you’ve been noticed overseas in that respect as well. So, what do you
have to say for yourself? Can you give a better introduction than
JORDAN MAXWELL (JM): I would say that you are being very
generous and very kind and I appreciate all your words, but I view
myself as just an ordinary person just doing what I love to do, and
that is to look behind the scenes of world events, how things really
work. And I started doing this kind of research diligently.
grew up, and even as a child, spending most of my time in the library.
While all the other kids were out playing, I was sitting in libraries.
So I’ve always been interested to know things that other people don’t
seem to even know exist. I’ve always been interested in the secret
side of life, all of the hidden things in the world that most people
are not even aware of. I’m just fascinated with how much there is to
know that most people don’t even know exists.
And so I
grew up thinking that way, and by the time I was 19 years old, when I
ended up in Los Angeles, I decided to dedicate my whole life to
studying what I would call theworld of the occult. The
word occult simply means hidden.
So much of real
knowledge and wisdom is hidden because the people who run this planet
feel that true knowledge and wisdom of how the world really works is
knowledge that you don’t need to know – all you need to do is just go
out and do your job and have fun and watch your basketball and stay
out of the way of the adults that run the world. I never bought that.
When I was a child, I used to, of course, be happy when my
family would have other families coming over to visit because they
would bring their children and I’d have kids to play with. But after
dinner, the women would always end up in a group and they’re talking
women talk, and my dad and his brothers and whoever else was there,
all the men, would go in the front room and smoke the cigars and have
the wine and talk men talk.
And so, my dad and my uncles
especially would always say: Well, you kids go on out and play
ball, and I would tell my uncle – because dad’s brothers were
wonderful; I loved them all – and so I would tell my uncles: I
don’t want to go out and play ball. I want to hear what you guys are
talking about, because I’m assuming if you want me to go out and play
ball that you’re going to be talking about something that you don’t
want me to hear. I’m real curious to hear what you want to talk about
that you don’t want me to hear about.
KC: And you used to
say that to them, I assume.
KC: Yeah. So you
were incredibly precocious.
JM: And so then, what they would
do is my uncle and my dad would say: Well, we’ll go out and play,
too, you know, acting like: Okay, we don’t need to talk about
And of course, all the kids would now want to go
out because my dad and my uncles are going to be playing with us. So
we would all go out to play ball because now the adults were with us.
And of course, about ten minutes into the game, my dad would get tired
because he works all day, so he’s tired and that kind of story. So he
comes in, and then my uncles a few minutes later would come in, but
now the kids are all playing ball, so now we’re happy.
that today. The President of the United States goes to the opening
ballgame. He throws out the first ball. That’s Daddy throwing out the
first ball for all the kids to be there, and all the kids are watching
their silly ballgames. And then of course they would shoot into the
audience of the ballgames and you see the movie stars and big name
politicians there watching the game.
And I’d think: You
know, I know what that is. It’s just the guys who are running the
planet want all the poor people – all the kids – to know that we
adults who are running the world, we’re human like you; we like to
come out to the basketball game and see the ballgames.
kind of makes everyone feel kind of happy that our national leaders
and our movie stars are like us – they love the ballgames, too. I
never fell for that. I know what’s going on. These guys couldn’t care
less, but it’s just politics. It’s just, you know, go out and let the
people see that you are human like everyone else. I never bought it.
I wanted to know about what these guys were talking about, two
o’clock in the morning when everyone else is asleep. That’s when these
KC: Absolutely. Can you possibly feel comfortable
enough to share what you shared with us last night, about the meeting
with that very special person? The one...
JM: I know what
you’re saying. I’m just trying to think: Am I comfortable talking
KC: I understand.
JM: Well, let me go
on, first, and lay some more foundation.
KC: All right.
JM: So it didn’t take me very long to figure out that so much
of what is going on, humans are not being told. We are not being told
the real truth.
A couple of things in particular I want you to
know, and I want you to remember. Nothing in this world –
nothing – works the way you think it does. There’s always more
to the story.
You hear about some marriage breaking up and the
husband did this, the wife did that, and it’s very obvious what
happened. No, it’s not obvious what happened. There’s a lot more to
the story you don’t know. You don’t know her background, her past. You
don’t know his past. You don’t know what was going on in the family.
You have no idea. So nothing is simple. This is why you have courts.
So I found that nothing in this world operates the way you
think it does. Banks do not loan money. Governments are not empowered
to protect you. Police department is not there to serve you.
Institutions of higher learning – colleges and educational institutes
– are not there to educate you.
The entire superstructure of
civilization in the Western world is a combination of brilliantly
put-together and well-planned schemes to direct the minds of the
people in such a way as to serve their masters. And I’ve known that
for a long time.
One of the biggest tools in the hands of the
masters who run this world is Hollywood. Hollywood is an incredible
I’ve said this, and maybe many hearing me now have
heard me say this, but I’ll say it again – that the white man’s
establishment comes from Europe. And northern, southern... well, all
four: north, east, south and western Europe, even at the time of the
Roman Empire and before, that whole section of Europe that we call the
center for the white man’s presence on the Earth was quite literally
ruled over – ancient Europe was ruled over – by a priesthood called
The Druids were the ministers, the priests, the
judges, the lawyers; they were the religious leaders.
was priesthood that dominated Europe. It still does. Europe is still a
Druidic country, and America is a Druidic country. Unless you
understand the Druidic system, then you’re never going to figure out
what’s going on in America and England.
One of the most
important symbols in the Druid system was a magic wand, like Merlin
the Magician with a magic wand? And also, the orchestra leaders and
conductors always have a magic wand and you had better play to the
tune of the master. He directs you to play and he directs you to stop
with the magic wand, so you’re dancing to his music. Okay?
Magic wands were always made out of the wood of a Holly tree.
It’s made out of Holly wood. Hollywood is a Druidic establishment and
the symbols, the words, the terms, the stories, are designed.
Think about it. Think about how Hollywood does what they do.
I’m not saying they’re evil, I’m just explaining how Hollywood works.
You have, first of all, a story, so somebody has to write the
story. All right? So now you’ve got a story. Now you have to give it
to a screenwriter, who’s going to adapt that story into a screenplay
because you can’t just tell the story, you have to design it to be a
Now once you do that, then you’re going to have to hire
the actors – very important: actors -- because you’re gonna
need people to act the part. It doesn’t mean that they actually have
human feelings. No, no, they’re being paid to act like they
care, to act like they love someone. It’s an act.
And so you
pay actors to act out the part that the screenwriters have written,
and you want to make sure the actors do it just right, so you have to
have a director and he’s going to direct everything you say and do the
way he wants it said.
Then you have, of course, the producer
and he’s also subjected to the executive producer who’s producing the
money, and so all of this is a whole system of putting together a
system of a story that tells you a story. It causes you to think in
terms of what you just saw, so that people go out from the movie and
think in their minds: This is the way you normally would react to a
situation, the way that the guy in the movie did.
that’s why today in the Western civilization, especially in the West,
our ability to work with each other and live together as humans is so
screwed up, because we‘ve been watching so much television and so many
movies and so much silliness coming out of Hollywood; so much
violence, and sex, and drugs, and all the rest of it, that people have
no idea in the world how to live anymore. They’ve lost their
KC: Okay, so you’re saying that in many ways
Hollywood movies and television are actually sort of doing behavior
modification on people...
KC: ...to get
them to behave in certain ways, to think is socially acceptable and
then people actually go out and they act the way they’re ”supposed” to
act, rather than the way they really feel in any human situation.
JM: Exactly. Precisely.
KC: So it cements the social
JM: That’s it.
KC: I do understand that.
Would you also talk about how movies are revealing the Illuminati
JM: Oh God yes! What a story that is! Absolutely. Even
more so than you know, even more so than you suspect.
been looking at one subject for, well, since 1967. Let me preface
this: In Glendale, California, in 1967 I was researching Communism for
a lecture I was going to give and I went to a World Book
Encyclopedia and there was the picture of the national coat of
arms of the Soviet Union and the Soviet flag. That was in ’67.
"The State Emblem of the USSR is composed of a
sickle and a hammer on a globe depicted in the rays of the sun and
framed by ears of wheat, with the inscription "Workers of All
Countries, Unite!" in six languages -
Turko-Tatar. At the top of the Emblem is a five-pointed star."
Well, I started speaking to small, little groups in ’60, so
for seven years, I’d already been talking to little mom and pop
groups, and little library rooms, and little bookstores, and all that
kind of thing. But it was in ’67 that I came across a symbol which was
the national coat of arms of the Soviet Union.
I was familiar
by that time with a particular term that the Communists have used, the
Nazis have used, the British have used, the Americans have used, and
so when I saw this symbol and the explanation for the symbol in the
World Book Encyclopedia, it finally hit me that something is
going on, on a massive, enormous scale around the world.
the first time I saw it in the Soviet national coat of arms, because
it was using the same words and terms that Hitler had used, the Nazis
had used, that the fascists had used in Italy.
And now as I
began to look, the people of India used it; the governments around the
world are using the same symbol, so I knew that I had stumbled upon
something of profound significance. I didn’t know what it was, but I
already knew, I had a gut feeling that something is really big going
on, on the Earth, and the Soviet national coat of arms was what
triggered my catching that.
BILL RYAN (BR): When you talked
about the symbols there, that reminded me how much of your work is
about the interpretation of symbols. Somebody mentioned to me that you
were actually the model for the symbologist that was played by Tom
Hanks in the movie The DaVinci Code. Can you say anything about
that? Is it true that that was based on your work and your personality
and your research?
JM: Well, I’m not in a position to say for
sure, because I’m not privy to how they came up with what they did in
the movie. All I will say that is for sure and provable is that in
1991, I think it was, I did a presentation that was videotaped in the
Pasadena area at a bookstore – and the video is out all over the
world. It’s called The Basic Slide Presentation.
that – that was back in 1991, Pasadena – I was introduced as an expert
on secret societies and occult emblems and symbols of religion and
I walked up onto the stage, and it was a slide
presentation that I was doing, and so I had the slide projector on,
and the slide that was being projected on the screen – I left it on
even before I started just to have a picture for people to see when
they came in – so the slide projector was already on. The picture that
was on the screen was the back of the dollar bill, the pyramid on the
back of the dollar bill. When I walked up onto the platform, I walked
in front of the screen, so now it was being projected on me.
As printed in 1957
BR: That was in the movie.
JM: And then I started
pointing to the symbols on the dollar bill [Kerry laughs] and
explaining the emblems or words. That’s exactly the same scene that’s
in the movie.
BR: I remember it. It was very dramatic, if you
JM: Yeah. Go back and get my Basic Slide
Presentation back in ’91 and it’s the same identical thing.
BR: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Right, I guess. Of course, I didn’t get a check or anything. [laughs]
And then of course in 1992 or ’93, something like that, I did a video
called Matrix of Power in which I talked about how the world is
being manipulated behind the scenes by occult or magical symbols and
words that are deceiving civilization, deceiving people. Then later on
a movie comes out called Matrix. But I’ve been talking about
this, you know, this subject for many, many years before.
one thing a lot of people do not know is that I was going around, it
can be told now, but I was going around to studios in the ’70s and in
the early ’80s. Especially in the ’70s, I was going around to all the
motion picture studios at nighttime. Working-class people in the
studios would have me come in and do a presentation – a slide
projector, just a little Mickey Mouse operation, slide projector,
throw up a screen, and I would give lectures on Bible codes, Knights
Templars, secret societies, and those kind of arcane subjects.
Many times I would give lectures like that to just the
working-class people of the studio and then sometimes we would rent
some office within the studio lot where I could go and sit and talk
with a bunch of people who were working at the studio. I was just
having fun talking about things I enjoy. You know, they would order
beer and pizza, we’d sit and talk, and I would do a two- or three-hour
slide presentation on Bible codes, secret societies.
late ’66 as I said before, I learned about the Illuminati as such, and
so I started giving lectures at the studios on Illuminati; Masonic
Orders, both the British Grand Lodge and the American Freemasonry; the
French and German Orders, and tying them all into the secret societies
that operate around the globe -- and also incorporating in those
lectures, as I said, in the ’70s, the subject of Illuminati, which I
had gotten from Anthony Hilder’s records that were put out in 1966.
And so today I see, you know, on television, on History
Channel, and all kinds of movies from Hollywood talking about
BR: This actually comes from your research. It’s
percolated itself down into the popular culture.
JM: Well I
mean, if you just keep talking for 48 years, somebody’s going to
finally hear you somewhere. [laughs]
KC: Well, it’s very
possible that they were actually filming and taping you at the studio.
JM: Well, I know they did. Actually they were doing it, but it
was like individuals would have their cameras and would videotape and
they would audiotape.
KC: But even behind the scenes, there
could have been recording going on.
JM: Who knows.
Yeah. I mean, obviously a lot of what you talked about has shown up in
plot-lines in screenplays, and then in movies.
JM: Oh yeah.
KC: So maybe we can go back again to where you got
involved. You were talking about the Soviet Crest and maybe we could
pick up there.
JM: Yeah. So this was in ’67. 1967 as I said,
I’m in Glendale, California. I was researching the Communist movement,
and so I went to the World Book Encyclopedia and there in the
World Book Encyclopedia was a picture of the national coal of
arms of the Soviet Union and the communist flag.
SOVIET COMMUNIST FLAG
understood the symbols of the communist flag, but my eye caught that
national coat of arms and I saw in that symbol something I had seen
the Nazis use [and] all the great nations of the world have used. All
the Presidents of the United States in their Inaugural Addresses used
the same words and terms. All the senators and congressmen, when
they’re running for office, use that same term, that same symbol.
So I knew I had stumbled upon something of profound
significance. I just didn’t know what it meant, but I knew it was
important. This was in ’67.
And so, since ’67 I have been
researching this one term, this one symbol, and the more I find on it,
the more I’m amazed at how much there is out there on this one secret
symbol that nobody is aware that it’s right in front of you. It’s one
of those incredibly fantastic stories of something that is so awesome
in scope and it’s sitting right in front of you and you never saw it.
That’s how clever these guys are.
KC: So what are you talking
about? We’re going to put it on the screen. It’s two mountains and a
rising sun. Is that right?
KC: So what are
the words and what does this mean?
JM: But, lookit, just to be
able to see it, which you will be able to put into the video, but just
to be able to see it is not sufficient. You need about 25 or 30 years
of research to understand the significance of what you’re
seeing and what it actually means. So you’ll be able to show it and it
will be something of interest that people will pick up on, but believe
me, there’s a bigger story yet.
So when you’re hearing the
term Illuminati or the concepts of secret societies,
occult orders and all that kind of thing, it’s actually much
bigger than you think. There is something far bigger going on, on the
Earth that most people are not aware of.
KC: Okay. The rising
sun. Are we talking about the rising sun? Are we talking about the
rising of the New World Order?
JM: That’s right. Exactly.
KC: We’re also talking about something else, aren’t we?
JM: Yes. That’s right. Something very big.
Something more occult even than that.
JM: Something that goes
all the way back into B.C., back into the ancient world. Zecharia
Sitchin and I have talked about this. At one time I was in business
with Zecharia Sitchin. I helped send him to different countries and we
were going to do a television, a 13-week mini-special I was going to
do with Zach.
Zecharia Sitchin has been my dear friend, and a
brilliant man, and I was so impressed with him [that] I talked him
into signing a contract with me to do a 13-week mini-series for
television. Unfortunately, the attorneys and the people who were
financing the project for me, at the last minute, after we had already
shot like five different countries and we were almost through, they
pulled the plug on the whole project. So it wasn’t Zach’s fault, it
wasn’t my fault. It was the people financing it, they faltered.
But I’ve had a lot of opportunities to talk to Zecharia about
things that I’m interested in, and I’ve learned a lot talking to him
in private, which will, unfortunately, have to stay private.
KC: Okay. So you’re not able to tell anything about something
that he told you that was actually very significant.
JM: No, it’s just
that the symbol I’m talking about is on the national coat of arms of
the Soviet Union, so I would say anyone who’s interested in this, look
at the symbols on the national coat of arms and study it. Don’t
just look at it, but look at all the implications of it and then
follow the others pictures that I have, that I will give you. Each
one’s a step closer, and another step closer to it, and it keeps
going. I think there’s about six or seven pictures.
But it also links up with the Japanese, the use of the red sun; also
the sun that was in Obama’s Inauguration in the background.
JAPANESE FLAG OF THE RISING SUN
OBAMA INAUGURATION - 2009
DAVID WILCOCK (DW): What about in
Pittsburgh? The G-20 summit? It’s like a grid?
JM: I know.
DW: That’s the same thing.
KC: But isn’t there some
occult significance to the Sun itself?
JM: Of course there is.
KC: And are we talking about something to do with the Anunnaki
as well, and their agenda?
JM: Yes, yes, absolutely. That’s
exactly what it’s about. There is a hidden agenda that’s been in
operation on this Earth for thousands of years. And see, I’m at a
disadvantage because I’m trying to explain something to an audience
who have not been where I’ve been and seen what I have, and so I’m
having a difficulty trying to legitimize what I’m saying if you
haven’t seen what I’ve seen, and so...
KC: Okay. Well, that’s
part of the purpose of the interview. I mean, we are Camelot, we have
a lot of background information already on our site, as you know, and
so in many ways the people that are watching this, they’ll have been
already educated, if they weren’t to begin with, by Camelot, by the
other people that have come before you.
[EDITOR'S NOTE: THE TERM CAMELOT WAS COINED BY
JACKIE KENNEDY AFTER THE DEATH OF HER HUSBAND JFK.]
JM: I understand.
KC: But I think it’s very significant that we’re talking now
and I think that what we’ve touched on here is like, this is the
beginning of a revealing that most people are not aware of.
KC: And obviously you’ve got that story.
JM: I tell you, no matter how well prepared and how
well-read you are, I will guarantee you you’ve not heard this story.
JM: I have a story no one’s heard, and I’ve
been looking at it for some... since ’67, so we’re talking about, how
many years is that? ’67 to 2007? That’s what, 40 years?
KC: Yeah. Absolutely. And when did you
actually stumble on the final... I feel like in a sense you have the
full meaning of it at this stage. I think that perhaps you have that
full meaning, so I’m asking you, in a sense, when did you arrive
there? How many years ago did you actually get to the...
think probably somewhere in the mid ’90s it began to really dawn on
KC: Okay, yeah, and dawn has something to do with
JM: That’s right.
KC: We’re also talking about…
JM: We’re talking about an ancient, ancient story that has
KC: The Golden Dawn. We’re talking about the
Golden Dawn and the information there.
ORDER OF THE GOLDEN DAWN
GOLDEN DAWN SELF INITATION BOOK
KC: But what...?
JM: Much further back. The Golden
Dawn was just one more step in a continuing flow of a particular
idea, and as it moves into the last days of the world that we’re
living in, we’re now entering into a new dispensation – I
choose that term – dispensation of time in which this symbol is going
to be everywhere.
JM: And [sighs] I would
like to be able to give like a two-and-a-half to three-hour
presentation just on this one symbol.
A rather successful
motion picture producer and I were talking about doing a movie. After
I gave him some of the information, he called it, Let’s call the
movie The Symbol, and then we talked about it and said: Well,
maybeThe Hidden Symbol. I have the contract and here’s the
movie that we want to do and we’ll call it The Symbol or The
That never got done, for all kinds of
reasons. But then I see the new movie coming out with Dan Brown,
The Hidden Symbol?
And I’m thinking: These guys who
are smart, intelligent and Hollywood, they are either knowledgeable on
this symbol and are releasing it slowly but surely, OR there’s some
kind of an understanding going on that people are starting to look at
symbols more now and beginning to put the pieces together, like I’ve
been doing for 48 years, and now they are beginning to perceive what
I’m talking about. But they haven’t got there yet.
it’s a form of professional jealousy. I would like to be the one that
presents my work before Warner Brothers gets ahold of it from somebody
KC: Exactly. I mean, here’s your opportunity. So
anything you hold back at this point, I mean, really you do so at your
own risk, in a sense.
JM: I understand.
this is an opportunity and we are really coming close to the juncture
– I mean 2012 and beyond – where this agenda is really coming to the
JM: I know and it’s just incredible, watching it.
KC: It’s amazing that you’ve been watching this thing with
full awareness as each step, each roll-out...
JM: For 40 years
I’ve been watching it coming.
KC: And so, take us down the
JM: All the Presidents of the United States – all of
them – have used the same terms, from George Washington. The terms he
used and the things he said were taken directly from the ancient
prehistoric world of the Anunnaki, the ancient gods, from the ancient
Sumerians, Babylonians, Phoenician-Canaanites, ancient Greece, ancient
Rome. They all the used the same word and the same term.
Okay, what is the term? What are the terms?
JM: The term is
The Dawn of the New Day. And the concept of The Dawn of a
New Day is the Sun rising between two mountains.
back to the beginning of Christianity in the 4th century when
Constantine codified the religion called Christianity. Christianity is
nothing more than... In my opinion, Christianity is the most popular
rendition of the ancient cult story, this ancient thing that for
thousands of years has been hidden from people, but the masters of the
world, the kings and rulers, have all understood.
is telling you the same story, but you don’t see it, so people are
fixated on Jesus and on his ministry and never for a moment suspect
that the entire story is the same ancient story that’s been told by so
many ancient cultures and is today part of the New World Order,
Illuminati, Masonic Orders around the Earth.
CHAPTER 129 FROM DAN BROWN'S BOOK "THE LOST SYMBOL"
L = The stonemason's signatuare AU = The element gold
S = The Greek Sigma D = The Greek Delta E =
Alchemical Mercury O = The Ourobourus
Jul 4, 1848 - Laus
Deo meaning Praise God. The place of the lost Word,
meaning the Bible, which is buried in the corner stone of
the monument on July 4th, 1848, in a full Masonic
ritual. The capstone of the
Washington Monument weighs precisely thirty-three
As one climbs the steps and pauses at
the landings the memorial stones share a message. On the
12th Landing is a prayer offered by the
City of Baltimore; on the 20th is a memorial presented
by some Chinese Christians; on the 24th a presentation
made by Sunday School children from New York and
Philadelphia quoting Proverbs 10:7,
Luke 18:16 and Proverbs 22:6. Praise
be to God!
About 193 memorial stones
adorn the landings throughout the Washington Monument
(different sources put the number at between 190 and 195),
contributed by each state (and territory) as well as by
other countries, U.S. cities and counties, fire
departments, fraternal organizations (such as the Masons,
the Sons of Temperance, and the Odd Fellows), military
units, Native American tribes, and other groups. (Peter
Force, onetime mayor
of Washington and a member of the Monument Society, got his
own stone just before memorial stones from individuals were
banned.) Visitors have not been allowed to climb the fifty
flights of stairs within the Monument since the 1970s
(except on guided tours), in large part because too many
memorial stones were damaged by souvenir-chipping vandals.
KC: Okay. This is him
coming back, actually, to sit on the throne and to rule the world.
JM: Mm hm.
KC: And so maybe you can sort of start to
paint that picture. Now, is he coming in a craft?
don’t know. Maybe. I would not be a bit surprised if they’re already
here, just waiting.
JM: They don’t have to
come, they’re already here. That’s what Steven Spielberg said in his
War of the Worlds. They’re not coming; they’re already here and
they popped up from out under the street. Symbolically what Hollywood
and Steven Spielberg are saying: They’re right under your feet.
They’re right under the surface.
KC: Well, according to
Bob Dean, they’re walking the halls of the Pentagon.
wouldn’t be a bit surprised. Yeah.
KC: So we certainly have
witness testimony in that area.
JM: I’m going to do a
presentation on this very soon. I already have about a 3-hour
presentation all ready to go that I want to explain it.
Okay, but this ruler coming to kind of take control, is this a
positive thing in your view or a negative thing?
JM: I think
JM: I think very negative, but the
whole world is sucking it up. They love it, never realizing the full
implications of what’s being said.
It’s like some kids going
into Hollywood, you know, leaving home and they’re going to Hollywood.
They’re going to be in the motion picture capital of the world, never
realizing that on the streets of Hollywood and this city is not some
place for an innocent kid. You’re getting yourself involved with
something you have no idea in the world how bad it really is.
I think that so many people have bought into the different
religions orders – Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christadelphias, Worldwide
Church of God [and the] Mormon Church. All of these are part and
parcel of a larger world movement that’s been planned for a long time.
And where the world, especially in the Western world, I’m
talking mostly in the Western world because the Arabic world is also
heavily involved in this, but that’s a different subject. But for the
moment, Western Civilization is just going over the wall with this
thing. Everybody has bought into it. You’re seeing it in politics...
KC: Okay. It’s in the Japanese flag, so there has to be some
acquiescence there, with China and all. You know.
JM: Oh yeah.
Absolutely. They’re all using it and they’re all buying into this
whole new order of the world, never realizing what this actually
You know, the very term Novus Ordo Seclorum on the back of the dollar bill? That comes from the Roman poet,
Virgil. In ancient Rome there was a poet that was appointed by the
court of Rome to write poetry for Caesar, and of course, if you’re
going to write poetry for Caesar, you want to write something nice
that he will like.
So Virgil in one of his poems called
Aeneid, wrote about the time when there would come a great
world ruler in the seat of Caesar, but this ruler would be awesome in
power, to be far more than any man could ever be. That time when he
would come, the Sun would rise on the Novus Ordo Seclorum, a
New World Order, and when that one comes, it would be the beginning of
a whole new civilization. The term that Virgil used in Latin was
Novus Ordo Seclorum, a new order of the world.
when you get into the subject, now you have to get to the Hebrew and
Jewish religion, where Judaism comes from, where Christianity comes
from, where Islam actually comes from, and trace back like Zecharia
Sitchin has done for us. And he’s not the only one; there are many who
have written on this subject of the ancient world and the symbols and
words and terms and theology that’s come down to us for thousands of
There’s just so much we could talk about that without
pictures, without the ability to show the audience what I’m talking
about, it’s a little difficult. But I’m going to be doing a series on
it. I’ve already got it pretty well...
KC: Okay. But basically
we’re talking about the beginning of a reign with this king, who is a
Sun [and/or Son] and he’s basically going to take control of the
JM: Right. Of the whole Earth.
KC: Yeah. And...
JM: And the destiny of the human family – period.
Okay. And do you know where that destiny is headed? In other words,
what is unique about this Son [and/or Sun] and his proclivities, his
point of view, where he’s coming from that’s different from what we’ve
JM: I think that the agenda of this one who is to
come is to mutate the human race. I believe that is what is the
agenda, is to mutate the human race – not necessarily evolution,
though I believe that evolution has its place in the world.
think that there are things which do evolve. And I’m not talking about
man coming from monkeys because, obviously, man did not come from
monkeys -- man is evolving into monkeys. [Kerry laughs] And so,
that’s the problem. There is a place for evolution, but that’s not
what I’m talking about.
This ancient story, coming from the
ancient and prehistoric world, has dominated all the cultures
of the world. What that implies, I believe, is there’s going to be
some kind of a mutation of the human race in order to take the human
family on the Earth to a new style of life in the universe.
And so, what will be lost will be your humanity, your
ability to show love and kindness to other people. There will be no
room for that. Emotions – there will be no room for emotions. There
will be no room for the American system of freedom, liberty, and
justice for all. That’s gone. That’s out. There will be no more
freedom, liberty, and justice for all. No more family love, no more
humanity, man reacting to man. No. All of that’s going to be gone.
KC: Aren’t you also saying, though, that there is a race of
humans being... actually that this isn’t gonna start in the future,
that it’s already started.
JM: Oh yeah. It’s already started.
KC: The preparation, the genetic modification of the human,
actually, behind the scenes.
JM: Yes. You know, in the Book of
Genesis in the Bible, the Old Testament in Genesis 18, the 18th
chapter -- I did a video on this -- it talks about Abraham and Sarah,
the prophet Abraham. It says that three men – in Genesis 18; go back
to read it yourself – it says that three men come walking up into the
Abraham went out and greeted the three men and asked
them to stay for dinner and they said no, they were on their way to
other business and did not have time to stop. It says that Abraham
insisted that they stay at least to have something to eat and then
they could go, and they agreed, so they said: All right, make it
quick, we’ll stay for something.
And so the Bible says in
Genesis 18 that Sarah, his wife, fixed dinner for them, they sat under
a tree, had dinner with Abraham. Then it says after dinner, two of the
men got up and left to go on about their business, but the one that
stayed was the Absolute Creator God, the one who had created the human
creature. He sat with Abraham, having dinner under the tree, and then
gave prophecies to Abraham and then got up and left. Now that’s in
First of all, my question is: Wait a
minute. It says there were three men and the three
men come up and had dinner with Abraham.
Three women slept on one side of the hall and three men
slept on the other side of the hall. The women were Barbara
Bertinelli, Pat (my friend) and a tall ...
And then in
Genesis 19, the following chapter, it says that those two men
who had gotten up earlier and left were the two angels that
went into Sodom and Gomorrah. It says that when these two angels or
men went into Sodom and Gomorrah, the homosexuals saw these guys,
these two men, and thought that they were absolutely handsome,
beautiful, good-looking men, and they attracted the homosexuals. Go
read it in Genesis 19.
But that tells me, if those were the
same two men that were with Abraham having dinner, the scripture said
they were absolutely handsome, good-looking, handsome men and
God the Creator is still sitting under the tree with Abraham
having dinner. And it says GOD in all capital letters. The Creator of
the human race is there with Abraham.
So I’m just saying that
I’m sure that there are spiritual interpretations of all this, but I
think there is a legitimacy about the story that when we read in
Genesis where God walked with Adam and Eve in the cool of the evening,
the word in Hebrew – God walked with Adam – that Hebrew word
means you can hear a footstep stepping on leaves, you can hear the
That’s what the Hebrew word means. So we
poetically say: Well, God probably was with Adam and Eve
spiritually. No, no. The word in Hebrew says: God walked with
Adam. You can hear his footsteps on the leaves.
this implies in the Old Testament that whoever created us looked like
us and that’s why the scriptures says, God says: Come, let us make
man in our image after our likeness. That’s in Genesis One;
Genesis One and Two, both.
Many years ago I talked with Rabbi
Marvin Antelman. Rabbi Marvin Antelman from Massachusetts was a dear
friend of mine. I think he’s still alive today in the Knesset in
Israel. But he and I used to talk long hours, and I asked him once
about that scripture: Come, let us make man in our image after our
He said both Jews and Christians misunderstand
that scripture because they gloss over it too quickly. Most people
think that when they read that scripture that God is saying: Come,
let us make a creature and we will call him man.
first of all you gotta ask who is God talking to? Himself? He’s saying
come let us. Who’s us? So he says: Come, let us make
man in our image after our likeness.
He said no, that’s
not the way to translate it correctly. He’s saying the correct
understanding is God is saying to someone: Come, let us make man in
our image, after our likeness – not make man. No, no.
Man’s already here. But come, let us re-form, mutate man. Let us make
man in our image, after our likeness. And later on in
Genesis it says: Man has now becomes as one of us. Now he looks
So if that is true, then that means today – and I am
totally convinced that this is the case – we have entities here from
somewhere else; angels, gods, whatever you want to call them. Zecharia
Sitchin called them Anunnaki.
But I am totally convinced for
my own self that there are alien lifeforms here who look like humans
and yet they’re not fully human.
And of course in Genesis
we’re told that there’s a world of difference. We understand in the
Book of Genesis there’s a world of difference between an angel and the
Sons of God. Sons of God are not angels and angels are not Sons of God
– totally different concept. Totally different words.
God are spirit entities or entities from somewhere who look and have
physical bodies and look like humans. They are called Sons of God,
while angels are spirit entities.
So we’re told in the Bible,
again going back to Genesis, that the Sons of God were messing around
with women and got them pregnant. Well, I kind of figured that these
Sons of God, their plumbing worked the same way, so therefore, they
could get women pregnant. And I cannot imagine a woman being talked
into bed by some hideous creature from another world, but I can see it
if it’s a handsome, good-looking man. Well, that’s what the Bible
said, even the homosexuals said they were beautiful, handsome men.
All of this I’m bringing out as Biblical reference for my
conclusion, that I think Zecharia Sitchin is right. I think other
people who have written about this same subject are right, that there
are in fact entities here – lifeforms here – that have come here from
somewhere else. Maybe they were the originals, and they are today, in
my humble opinion, the people who are running this planet. It would
not surprise me a bit.
I don’t know. They could be the Nephilim because not all the Nephilim
died at The Flood. A lot of Christians will tell you all the Nephilim
died in the Flood. No, that’s not what the Bible says. It says that
there was one of the Nephilim lived through The Flood. His name was Og
of Bashan. Og of Bashan was one of the Nephilim and he lived through
The Flood and could reproduce and reproduce more like himself.
We know that there have been skeletons found way down in the
Earth around the world that are far bigger than we humans are today.
Some of them are 16 feet long, some of them 20 feet long, 12 feet
long. So I’m sure that there have been extraterrestrial, for lack of a
better term, extraterrestrial lifeforms who have come here who
we look like them. They don’t look like
us. They created us in their image and likeness.
Okay but this new sort of ruler, is the Sun [and/or Son] of God.
Right? He’s going to be ruling, in other words, between these two
mountains. Now I’m wondering what the mountains are symbolizing.
JM: Yeah. Very good.
KC: Because the mountains... are
we talking about the Soviet Union and the U.S.? Are those the
mountains where the Sun [and/or Son] is going to rise between those
two mountains? Or are we talking about planets?
JM: I think
that we’re talking about something deeper, the implications being that
in all of the ancient world there was always a concept, and theologies
of all the ancient cultures of the world used it, of twin towers, twin
things, twin churches, twin towers. That’s why that whole thing about
in New York, twin towers?
That is in-your-face if you
understand the symbolism of twin towers in the Roman Empire, and the
Grecian empire, in Sumeria, Babylonia. Especially in Egypt – they
always had the two obelisks. They always had the two towers, always.
So there is a very powerful significance to the concept of twin
towers, very important symbolism.
KC: Okay. So we’ve got twins
and we’ve got basically Gemini, and how does that work in? Are we
talking about, I don’t know, when this so-called god was born? Are we
talking about the constellation when his rule will begin?
I think it will probably be when he comes into power, this will be his
symbol. His symbol will be the sun rising between the mountains of the
East. Zecharia Sitchin talks about that.
Many of the books on
the ancient Middle Eastern religions have pictures of Shamash; the
Hebrew god is Shamash, meaning the Sun rising between the mountains of
the East. That goes all the way back to the cuneiform pictures, the
clay pictures from Sumeria and Babylonia or from Iraq, pictures of the
god rising between two mountains. Again, it’s very difficult for me to
make this intelligently understood, because I don’t have the pictures,
and it would take me about three hours to lay the foundation for this.
again I would say it all boils down to one thing in my mind – that the
human race on the Earth is being prepared, slowly but surely, in a
scientific method being applied to the human race to mutate the human
race, to change us from being what we are today to a creature that the
Gods have in mind, mutating again. Because if the Bible is correct, if
Zecharia Sitchin’s correct and all the other writers on the subject
BR: This is a real detective story here. I’m on
the edge of my seat, thinking: Wow, are we talking about the return
of the Anunnaki? Is this connected with the Christian myth of a
BR: And who may have been following you for many years
because in recent interviews, for example, on Coast to Coast
for example, you hinted heavily that there are things which you are
not ready to say yet.
BR: And a lot of people
will be watching this, wondering whether this is the time and you’ve
chosen to tell all.
JM: Yeah. That’s true. Yeah.
What we have established here is that there is a very predominant
symbol and you’ve talked about how it’s permeated every aspect of life
and religion and that people are really not up to speed on what it
really means for the human race.
JM: Absolutely. That’s right.
KC: And this is sort of a stunning revelation for many people
that are listening to this. But I would like to say, what we are
seeing right now is a roll-out of an Illuminati agenda that involves
population reduction. What I’m curious is whether or not you can talk
about how this agenda to do with the Son [and/or Sun] coming to the
throne of the world, if indeed this transpires, the creation of a new
race of humans...
KC: ...and how population
reduction folds into that.
JM: Well, I think if you’re going
to have a whole new race of humans; they are cultured. That’s
why we refer to different races of people as “cultures” and a culture
is something under a microscope, you know; it’s like a bacteria. And
so that’s what we are on the Earth – we are a culture. And somebody
has actually put us here as a culture, and is watching us grow, and we
have become a disease, because we’re killing everything in our path.
And so I think that whoever it is that has created us had
created us, I believe, possibly already knew that in the far future,
once this race is finally brought up to speed, and then we can move it
into the next plateau. This is what the Nazis were talking about. This
is what Wernher von Braun was talking about. The Nazis were big on
this subject and using the symbol and the term that I’m talking about,
the symbol between the mountains of the East.
interesting about this, is England has always had a fixation on Egypt.
England’s big on Egypt. Go to the British Museum and all these
different museums. The English were always big on Egypt, but the
Germans were not.
The Germans were always big on Iraq. That’s
what Germany was interested in – Babylon. And the reason why, I think,
is because the Nazis and the German people in general, or at least the
intelligentsia of the German establishment, realized this story that
I’m trying to explain has to do with Babylon. It has to do with Iraq.
And I believe that may be one of the reasons why the U.S. is in Iraq
JM: It has something to do with
some... and I know this is true because I can prove that the symbols
which are being used by the U.S. government today in Iraq is exactly
the same symbols that I was telling you about that comes from the
Anunnaki, from the Phoenician-Canaanites, the Assyrians, the
Phoenicians, ancient Greece, ancient Rome, ancient Britannia, into
The entire superstructure of civilization has been
using the same words and terms and symbols that are today dominating
in Iraq, but most people don’t even know. They don’t even see it.
KC: I understand.
JM: It’s hidden in plain sight.
KC: Okay, but there is a stargate in Iraq that’s fairly well
known that Saddam Hussein... apparently they had to get rid of him
because he had found it and was able to control it while he was in
KC: So in essence the U.S. is
never... It’s been my theory that the U.S. is never going to leave
Iraq because basically they have to man that stargate. They have to
have control of that stargate, which is where it is said the
Anunnaki will return, through that stargate. Have you heard that
JM: Well yeah, I have. Absolutely. And one of my
favorite speakers on that subject is William Henry. William and I have
been around the world together, went to Egypt together. We talked a
long time about stargates. I understand the story. I didn’t say
anything about stargates. That’s William Henry’s work that influenced
me in that direction. But I am aware that Hollywood is talking about
stargates and making movies about it.
I did a lecture series
with Al Bielek and Preston Nichols. I did two weekend seminars in
which the three of us spoke together back in Philadelphia, and I had
some time to sit and talk with Preston Nichols. Incidentally, I am
highly impressed with Preston Nichols.
You have to be highly impressed with that man when you sit and talk
with him because he is a very, very interesting man. He’s got a lot of
very good information on the kind of thing I’m talking about in
private with him and he was enlightening me to some of the things I’m
seeing and saying.
KC: But he’s heavily involved in the
KC: And the
Philadelphia Experiment being the early precursor of that, and then
also time travel, which is where Montauk was headed.
KC: And then you get into the stargates and so on.
And this has something to do with letting in – I’m theorizing here, so
I want you to help me – but my understanding with the Montauk Project
was that there were some openings made in, not just the timeline, but
also in space, so to speak, where certain races were able to come in
through an open door, basically, that was created by the Montauk
KC: I’m wondering if that has to do
with the genetic engineering of our planet, such that they were coming
in to do a job.
JM: Well, yeah, I think all of that has some
validity. I don’t know that much about the stargate itself concept. I
understand it, but I mean, that’s not my subject, but it plays into my
subject, it’s part of it, and it must be important because Hollywood’s
making movies about it all the time. They actually have television
shows – Stargate. So I’m sure there’s something very legitimate
about the concept.
All I’m saying is that when I was talking
and spent two weekends with Al Bielek and Preston Nichols and myself,
I was very impressed with both Al Bielek and Preston Nichols because,
in my opinion, sitting with them for hours on end and working with
them over the weekend; both of them are extremely interesting,
provocative people. I was having fun downloading all this stuff to
Preston and he’s saying: Yeah, well here’s something else you
didn’t see. [Kerry laughs] And so, I have the highest regard for
KC: That’s wonderful to hear, actually, because I do
think there is great validity there and some very important clues.
JM: I think Preston Nichols is absolutely sensational. I love
everything, I loved... He was such a gracious person, helpful, kind,
courteous, and brilliant to sit and talk with, so I love Preston
KC: I hear you. Now, what about Zecharia Sitchin?
When he talks about the Anunnaki, there was a group of the Anunnaki
that went to Mars, that left this planet. And actually some of which,
I guess, came from wherever the Anunnaki came from, and never actually
made it here. So there’s a group that kind of went back to Mars and
then some that came from... according to Sitchin, I’m saying.
There’s something to do with... Now, I’m not an expert on
this, but I do understand that the positioning of the Great Pyramid
and the significance with the association with Mars. And then, of
course, we’re talking about Babylon, and Babylon and Mars are symbols
for the same thing. Isn’t this right? And the Whore of Babylon,
and there’s something going on there.
KC: Maybe you could talk about that a
little bit, about Mars and the significance with the Anunnaki and
where that might be leading.
JM: And the very word
Cairo, as you probably know, Cairo means Mars.
JM: Another word for Mars is
KC: So what is going on with that?
Yeah. That is a subject which Richard is probably better suited to
talk about than I, because I really haven’t looked at Mars over and
above the general kind of stuff he talks about. But I totally believe
for myself that Mars is inhabited, and I do believe that there are
probably humans like us there.
Quite a long time ago I had a
long conversation in Mesa, Arizona, with Virgil Armstrong
Postlethwaite. Virgil Armstrong and I sat in a restaurant in Mesa,
Arizona, many years ago and talked about the people who are on Mars.
Virgil was a guy, from what I gather, was the man who came up
with the idea – he was a military/CIA operative – and he’s the guy
that came up with the idea for Green Berets. That was his idea, Green
Beret, and he worked with the CIA. I loved sitting and talking with
Virgil Armstrong. But he brought out in that conversation how there
were many thousands of people, or more, like us – humans like us – on
Mars at that time. And I wouldn’t be a bit surprised.
year was this that you were talking to him?
JM: This was
probably mid ’80s.
JM: I would say ’85,
’86, ’87, something like that.
KC: Okay. Well that does
dovetail also with our experience with our witness, Henry Deacon.
Arthur Neumann is his real name and he has come out under that name
recently, and said he’s been to Mars. So I’m wondering if you have any
information that’s come to you about jumpgates, about going between
JM: Well, yes and no. The only thing I have of any
value is someone else’s work. I sat and talked with him and he is a
very, very knowledgeable, very legitimately... he worked for the
United States Naval Observatory. He was in charge of the Naval
Observatory, and he just passed away just recently. But his website is
so extraordinary, the stuff he has on that website, pictures of
strange things found on Mars – and they’re not nebulous things;
they’re in your face. I mean, those tubes, Plexiglas tubes.
KC: Yes. Amazing.
JM: And lights in those tubes.
There’s just an enormous amount of stuff he has on his website.
KC: Well, our attention was drawn to that by Henry Deacon as
well, to those tubes, which is fascinating.
JM: Yeah. Right.
You know, I always say I’m not the world’s foremost authority on
anything. If there’s any value in my person and my work, I would say
this, that I have been privileged to be in the company of
extraordinary people doing extraordinary work. I have been privileged
to sit in their company and be accepted by them and be able to learn
things behind the scenes that other people will never be privy to
KC: Isn’t it true, though, that you were told that you
have a mission that is going to come to the fore late in life?
KC: And that you might actually be there
now? Do you want to tell that story at all?
JM: Yeah, I
suppose so. I mentioned this, I think, on Coast to Coast once,
but it was very quick because George wants to hear all the stories as
long as it’s within a minute and a half. [laughs]
We have longer than that.
JM: Yeah. [laughs] But when I was
19, I ended up in Los Angeles – at 19 years old with seven bucks in my
pocket, incidentally. I had no idea where I was going, where I was. I
ended up in Los Angeles on a Friday night with seven dollars in my
pocket. You know, I was a stupid kid, but I lived through it.
Later on, a couple months later, after I got a job and things
were working out for me, I was in North Hollywood one morning, on a
weekend morning, and I went into a restaurant. The place was crowded
and there was only one seat available and that was at the counter, so
I sat at the counter. There was a young girl sitting next to me, so we
Come to find out she only lived about two
blocks from me and I only lived about two blocks from town, so she had
walked downtown and I had also. So we started hanging out together.
I’d meet her downtown; we’d hang out together. This was back in ’59
and I was 19 years old.
When we would walk home, I lived two
blocks closer, so she had two blocks farther to go, so I never knew
exactly where she lived, but she knew where I lived. One night she
came over to my place and said: My dad wants to see you. He wants
to talk to you.
And of course that put me on alert. I
said: I don’t want to talk to your dad.
No, my father is a very important and interesting man. He wants to
talk to you. He’s got something to tell you.
interesting, so I went with her, and when we walked up to the house
which was only a couple of blocks away, we walked up to the house,
just by chance, he happened to be coming out of the house.
moment I saw him, an incredible feeling came over me of some kind of a
euphoric, strange [and] wonderful feeling that I got, being in his
presence. It was as if I were in the presence of a great prophet or
some spiritual man. I felt it, and I loved the feeling. I mean, I
can’t describe it, but I loved the feeling. It was an other-world
feeling. I noticed that he was very much in control of himself; he
knew exactly what he was doing.
He motioned for us to come in.
We went in and the girls sat on the floor by the fireplace. They sat
on the floor. He sat on one end of the sofa, I sat on the other end of
the sofa. The wife was in the kitchen. I never did see her that whole
So we were talking and he was, you know, he was asking
me how I liked living in California, and do you have a job and
how do you like your job, and just small talk. And I was
beginning to feel a little of the apprehension was going away. I was
beginning to feel a little bit better being in his company, but I knew
there was something about this guy that wasn’t right, but I loved the
I’m 19 years old, so I’m not sure what I’m doing, but
I’m just talking to this guy who’s dazzling me with his presence of
mind and the presence he presented.
And so we’re talking about
all kinds of things and then, when he felt that I was sufficiently at
ease, he said to me very nonchalantly, he said: Remember when you
were eight years old back in Florida and your father built the new
back porch and your uncle helped him? And remember, your dad used
green lumber that smelled funny? And he built the new back porch? You
Tears started to come to my eyes, and I
didn’t want to show tears in front of my girlfriend, but he was
scaring me because he was right and he knew it.
And he said to
me: Well, did that happen or didn’t it?
I said: Yes,
And he said: Also, one night when you
were in bed, you got out of bed and you went out on the back porch and
you were looking at the Moon and the Moon was full. Do you remember
And I said: Yes, I remember that.
he said: And you were picking the wood because it smelled funny. It
was green lumber; it smelled funny, and you were picking it with your
finger. Remember how you picked a piece of it, and you were smelling
it and tasting it? And he said: Remember doing that?
And now I’m really scared because it’s frightening to me
and I said: Yes.
He said: Well, did you do that, or
I said: Yes, I did.
said: Well, how would I know that? How would I know what you
And I said: I don’t know how you’d know.
He said: I know because we were there. You just didn’t see
us, but we were there watching you.
And I thought:
And he said, because he could tell I
was not buying it: Was I correct in what I said?
Well, how would I know if I wasn’t
there? He said: We were there.
I said: Who was
He said: That’s not important right now. What’s
important for you to know is that you’re in California, because we
brought you here. We brought you here to Los Angeles.
said: You brought me here?
He said: Yeah.Why
are you here?
I said: I don’t know why I’m here. I just
had to come to Los Angeles.
He said: That’s right. We
brought you here, he said, because what did you say to God? You
talked to God that night. The night you sat on the porch, you said
something to God. What did you say?
I just sat looking at
He said: I’ll tell you what you said. You asked God to
let you do something important with your life. You wanted to do
something of value and importance with your life.
was about eight or nine years old, right?
I said: Yes,
that’s what I said.
He said: Well, then we’re going to
give you an opportunity to do something with your life now because you
I’m still amazed, listening to him.
he said: What we have for you to do will not happen until the later
part of your life, and I’m not going to go into it right now.
He said: I’m not going to go into explaining it to you now;
however, when the time comes for you to do what we have brought you
here to do -- you will know what you have to do. By that time, you
will be sufficiently knowledgeable on who you are and what you’re
doing and where you’re going.
And he said: All you need
to know now is that we brought you here and that we will protect you
wherever it is that we put you.
And I asked him, I said:
I still don’t understand what you’re saying.
You don’t need to, but one day, you will understand.
And he said: So I’m here to start you on your
He said: I have a book I’m going to give you
and I want you to read the book and that will begin your journey.
And he pulls it off the shelf and gives it to me, and today
you can still get that book in bookstores anywhere. It’s called The
Complete Works of Charles Fort. [spells name].
England there’s a Fortean Society dedicated to the work of Charles
Fort. A fascinating book. It’s a monumental work, very thick book:
The Complete Works of Charles Fort.
[EDITORS NOTE: THE FIRST BOOK IS: "The
Book of the Damned"
And he opened the
book indiscriminately, just put his hand on the pages, because it’s a
very thick book, and he opens a page and he reads a paragraph. He just
opened the page and reads a paragraph – he knew exactly what he was
doing, precisely what he was doing. I didn’t know because it looked
like he just indiscriminately opened it, and he read a paragraph that
just blew me away. I was knocked out by what he’d just read and I
thought: Wow! That’s interesting.
And he said: Oh
yeah, the book is filled with that kind of thing. Let me read you
He opened it up again and just
indiscriminately read something. Not indiscriminately! He knew what he
was doing. I’m sure that he knew how to get your particular attention.
What would be very interesting to you, I may not even see. But he knew
how to play on my emotions, and he read about three little paragraphs,
one after the other, and each one – to me – was absolutely
I was fascinated with him, with my new
girlfriend, [laughs] and with this book, and then he said to me:
You’ve always been interested in UFOs and other-worldly things,
And I said: Yes, I have.
Would you like to see some UFOs up close tonight?
said: I’d love to.
He said: Well come on. I can do
that for you.
So I got up with him, and the two girls – my
girlfriend and her sister – the four of us came out in the yard. It
was about maybe midnight in North Hollywood, 1959, and he looks up
into the sky and starts inaudibly talking. His mouth is moving as if
he’s talking to somebody, but you can’t hear him.
And as I’m
watching him standing there talking to the stars, I look over at my
girlfriend and she’s looking at me, and the look on her face was like:
Yeah, this is my father, that’s him. Told you he was strange,
didn’t I? [laughs] And that kind of thing.
And her sister
was looking at me, and I could tell what she was doing. She was trying
to figure out: How is he taking this? You know, what’s going on
in my mind? [was] what the little one was thinking, because she’s seen
this before. She wants to see how I’m gonna react to this.
so then he looks at me and he said: They said that they will be
coming from Griffith Park in just a minute. There’ll be
three of them and they’ll be coming from the Griffith
Park area. They’re going north and they said that they’ll be
here in a minute for you.
And I said: Who’s they?
He said: You’ll see.
Within a couple of
minutes, three beautiful disk-shaped things, glowing, very faintly
glowing, came over with no sound whatsoever, in a triangle formation,
came over and stopped right above our heads and stopped.
when they did, you could see they were disk-shaped and it looked and
appeared like it was a pie cut in six or eight slices, and each slice
was a different color. What I remember distinctly is each color was
like a laser color: vibrant orange, vibrant pink, very vibrant colors,
six or eight colors on each one – and they were circulating, not so
fast as to blend the color, but circulating. They were beautiful. They
were about the size that the full Moon appears, so they’re not little
lights. Full-Moon size. Three.
And I’m standing there looking
at these gorgeous, beautiful, vibrant-color things spinning, and
colors, and no sound, and I was absolutely mesmerized. I was just... I
was enthralled by seeing this gorgeous, beautiful display.
I looked at him and he’s looking at me and he says: They’re pretty,
And I said: Yes. They’re beautiful.
And then he looks up and talks to them. He said: They’ve
told me to tell you that they’re going now but they’ll see you
later. And they did. They started moving and they went out north.
Afterwards, we went back in and I said: What did I just see
He said: That was us. We’ve been here for a
long time, you just didn’t know it. He said: We picked you a
long time ago when you were a small child. We have something for you
And I said: I’m not understanding exactly.
He said: You don’t have to. We will let you know what it is
you’re supposed to do later on in life, but just go on with your life,
don’t worry about it. Whatever you’re supposed to learn, we’ll see to
it that you learn, and when it is time for you do what we have for you
to do, you’ll know. We’ll let you know.
After that, I
would go over there on the weekends to visit him and the mother and
the two girls, and we would go out to the desert sometimes, go way out
in the desert. The girls, with their mother, would go for a walk, and
he and I would walk in the desert, and he would tell me about all the
different alien lifeforms that are out there, where they have come
from, the ones that are here.
And he told me: You have
enemies here. You have some very powerful enemies here from other
places that have come, and they know who you are, and they know what
you’re going to do. So just be careful in your life, but we’ll protect
I didn’t know what he was talking about.
then one day I went over to the house one morning, and the house was
totally open, and they’re gone. Everything was packed and gone
and the girl never told me she was leaving. They’d never come to tell
me anything. They were just gone.
Now that I look back on that
experience, I feel very secure in saying that he knew what he was
doing. He said: I’m starting you on your journey, and he did.
But after that was done, then he moves on.
KC: Do you believe
that you’re at that place, that juncture where he was talking about:
You’re going to know...? Has another message come recently, or
do you feel that you’re right on the cusp of something?
feel along the beginning of something and I’m still not sure what all
of this means. I’m not sure what it means. All I know is that I have
some valuable stuff that’s going to really knock people out when they
see it, but I don’t understand it fully yet. I’ve talked with Zecharia
about it. I’ve talked with many other speakers and people that are in
the speaking circuit that are knowledgeable on the subject.
But my gut feeling... and incidentally, gut, G-U-T, is
simply God in Scandinavian. GOD is English, dog spelled
backwards. But God in, I think it’s Sweden and Scandinavian countries,
is spelled G-U-T. So when you say you’ve got a gut feeling,
that’s God in Scandinavian.
But my gut feeling is that I don’t
know the full picture yet, but I’m getting there now. After 48 years,
I now know that my 48 years of study, day in and day out, researching,
reading, studying in libraries, was for a reason, so that when the
time would come, I would at least be sufficiently educated in this
dark subject which I’m talking about. At least I’ve got some
background in it now, to be able to understand the significance of it.
And I think it’s really frightening to me. It actually is
still rather frightening because, being human, and watching the world,
where it’s going... and I already know the symbols, the words [and]
the terms. I already know the history of the secret societies and the
movements of the bankers.
I‘ve sat and talked with all kinds
of people around the world; with Hakim, my dear friend Hakim, the
Hammite priest in Egypt -- we’ve sat out by the Pyramids at night and
talked about the ancient Hammite priesthood, and I was blessed in the
Hakim blessed me in the King’s Chamber; I laid in the
sarcophagus and he did a whole prayer ritual over me. I’ve sat, like I
said, for hours and talked with him in private about things that have
happened to me.
So I am totally convinced that there’s nothing
special about me, but I have been given the opportunity to be in the
company of fascinating people, to learn monstrously fascinating
things, and ultimately, I think that there is something for me to do.
I’m just not sure yet what it is.
KC: Do you happen to have an
idea what race this man was from? Do you have a planet? Do you have
any idea? In other words, do you think he was Anunnaki, do you think
he was Nordic, do you think he was Pleiadian? Do you have any idea?
JM: No, not really, because he appeared to be an
extraordinarily ordinary-looking guy, just an ordinary guy you would
meet. But when I was in his presence, it was monstrous -- the
feeling. I knew: This is not a normal man.
Did his children have a different aura or a different feeling about
JM: No. No. They seemed to be very ordinary, and the
KC: But didn’t you tell me just recently, and correct
me if I’m wrong, but I think you were out in the desert and you had
something happen out there.
JM: Oh! Yeah!
JM: Oh yeah. No no, that’s a different story.
KC: Well, is it completely different? Is it possible that
there was some kind of...?
JM: Well... No, you’re right.
You’re right. There could very well be some kind of a connection with
what happened to me just a few years ago and that original incident
back in 1959. Yes, very possible.
That was another
extraordinary experience. I’ve had 36, what I call peak
experiences. I mean monstrous experiences. That was merely
one. But yes, I’ve had some very interesting and emotionally-drenching
experiences out on the deserts of Nevada.
One thing I will
tell you, which is just my opinion: I am totally convinced for myself
that at Area 51, that base we call Area 51, there is no doubt in my
mind that there are extraterrestrial life forms there. No doubt in my
mind about it at all, because of what I’ve personally seen and
experienced when I was at Rachel’s. I’ve had too many strange things
happen to me that were other-worldly, in-your-face, like one-on-one.
And so there’s no doubt in my mind that what I experienced out
there... We had an alien come in the mobile home. My friend, Paul
Tice, and my lady friend from Hawaii, Ivy -- all three of us, an alien
came in the bedroom. So there’s no doubt in my mind there’s something
really off the wall going on out there at Area 51 that we are not
aware of. But I’ve had many otherworld experiences out there, not
You know, I can’t stand it when people say that this
is all high technology of our government. No. I don’t buy that for a
minute. What I’ve seen with my own eyes, I don’t buy it for a minute.
If it has anything to do with our government, then what I have
actually witnessed with my own eyes, if it has to do with the U.S.
government, then it means that the U.S. government is in league with
extraterrestrials, because what I saw is extraterrestrial in origin.
And what I’ve experienced...
KC: Thank you for that. That’s very, very
valuable to hear you say that.
Can you talk about the
possibility of what these humans that are being created, what their
destiny might be? In other words, you say they might not have
feelings, etcetera, etcetera. And do you feel that perhaps this is
working in with your, sort of, destiny that they were talking about?
Because these subjects we’re talking about right here and
now... I actually went to Egypt with you and William Henry and that
group. I did have a short interview with you at that time. You weren’t
willing to talk about that then. I think that now you’re much more
willing. This message that you have seems to be culminating in what
you’re saying, in this symbol that we talked about in the beginning of
this interview. Is it possible that this is going to be the message:
the unfolding of what you know?
JM: My feeling is that the
reason why I’m here doing what I’m doing is because of this mutation
which is being foisted on the human race, it’s being
forced on the human race. This change that the Masters of the
Universe, so to speak, have in mind for the human race is being
foisted on us.
And I believe – again, just my opinion –
that that’s my part in this cosmic scheme or this cosmic play, is to
call people back to their humanity and let them know: You’re being
led down the garden path into something you don’t know what’s coming.
You had better get back to your roots of being human and start
reestablishing your humanity – because the human race is losing
The way we were designed by the original
creators was a beautiful thing. I mean, when you look at children and
little animals, you have to know that whoever designed us designed
humans and lifeforms to be beautiful, to be charming, to be a
beautiful thing, to live in a beautiful world with children and
gorgeous and beautiful things which uplift the spirit.
am totally convinced that there is now on the Earth, again for lack of
a better term, alien presence which are the enemies of the human
race, and they are obviously enemies of whoever the original
creators of us, because of the things I’ve been told – that the people
or the entities who created us, the gods who created us, have enemies
out there in the universe.
They have come here to see what
these gods are doing, what these aliens are doing. And they’re coming
here saying: Mm. I see what they’re doing. They’re creating these
creatures. Why don’t we move in? – like a gang. Why don’t we
move in and take over and take this beautiful creation that these gods
have created and mutate it into what we want? And so, to mutate
the whole human race away from their natural evolution of society and
humanity into a whole new kind of civilization.
I think that
that’s probably what I’m here to do, is to call attention to the world
that you’re being misled by some extraordinarily powerful, occult,
mystical, other-world technology that is changing the evolution of the
human race from what it was supposed to be in its creation, as opposed
to where the dark powers of the world are now leading the human race
into a different world. And what they have in mind for us, you don’t
want to know.
JM: The people who are in
power today in this country and around the world have something in
mind that you have no idea in the world how bad it’s really going to
be, because there will be no longer any place for freedom,
intellectual freedom, spiritual freedom, liberty, justice – none of
that. It’s gone.
KC: Okay. But you are protected and
you’ve been told this over and over again, and this person that you
met way back who sort of started you on your journey was also part of
a race that has been visiting here and is looking out for you, in
essence. You’ve told at least me some personal stories in which you
were protected – there was reasons you were told to leave a room at a
certain opportune moment, and so on and so forth.
right. And I have had that happen to me over and over and over again.
KC: Right. So that means there’s a force for good...
JM: Profoundly dangerous things happening and at the moment I
just did not know, walked out and some terrible, dangerous thing
happened, and I never even heard about it.
KC: So there seems
to be a force for good, some “White Hats” behind the scenes...
KC: ...some of whom have actually talked to
you face to face, protected you. One that passed on recently comes to
KC: These people who might have been
working behind the scenes, even in places that, you know, made them
appear to be working for the dark side, if you will.
the establishment. But in point of fact, they were extremely powerful
people and very high placed.
KC: Working for the light.
JM: Working for the light. And they told me: We know what
you’re doing. One of them told me: You have some very powerful
friends that you don’t even know exist, and they’re protecting
I know. I have had the... I’m not going to get
into the details, but I have actually witnessed protection from the
highest sources in this country step into something that was very,
very serious happening in relation to me, and I was really frightened,
because I knew the implications of what’s happening and they could be
very serious for me. I “may not be around much longer,” I’ve heard
from the top.
And then all of a sudden I get a communication
from Washington, D.C., from the highest office there, saying: Don’t
worry about it, we took care of it. Just go on and don’t worry about
it. And I was amazed – from Washington, D.C.! Somebody that high
up calls me and says: Don’t worry about it. Just go on about your
life. No one’s gonna bother you. And they didn’t.
this happen many, many times when something very serious... very
serious threats against my life and against my work. I get a phone
call or someone will walk up to me in a public place and say:
Jordan, that thing that you’ve been worried about the last two
We took care of it. Move
on. Don’t worry about it.
I thought: Well... I
mean, I’m still here, I’m still alive, [Kerry laughs] so I know that I
have been protected. I know that.
Where would the truth movement be without you? Specifically,
Zeitgeist is a movie that was in the top five most-viewed on
Google Video for like a year at least and I would like the Project
Camelot viewers to be apprised of the situation in regards to your
involvement with Zeitgeist because it seems like Management, as
I call them, put you in a position in which the whole conspiracy
theory movement wouldn’t be anywhere near what it is now if it wasn’t
for your influence.
JM: Yes, Zeitgeist is a two-hour
movie made by a guy named Peter Joseph in New York. I didn’t know
anything about it, but Peter Joseph produced a two-hour video and the
last that we heard... because on Zeitgeist it was one of the
first times Google pulled the counter off of something that’s on
Google Video? Usually it would have a counter, how many people have
seen this video. They pulled the counter. They pulled it, I think it
was at 28 million when they pulled it and that was like a
KC: And that’s based all on your work,
JM: All of it was based on my work. Jeff Rense had
Peter Joseph... and you can go to my website, http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/ , and go to the
audio/video page. One of the first entries is a big banner saying
ZeitgeistInterview, and it’s only about five minutes
But Jeff Rense interviewed Peter Joseph about
Zeitgeist and talked about how, you know, they pulled the
counter a year-and-a-half ago at 28 million and it’s probably more
than 50 million now.
And he [Peter Joseph] said: Because the whole
thing was Jordan Maxwell’s work. I was listening to him; I’ve been
following his work and I just decided since he hasn’t done anything, I
So he put all of my work together on religion,
ancient theology, the Federal Reserve, banking, and 9/11 and all that
nonsense, and put it all together into a two-hour video called
Zeitgeist, which I am told by people...
My friends in
Hollywood (and I’ve lived in Hollywood for 48 years) my friends have
said that if they had 28 million and they pulled it off a year ago;
probably seen by 50 million – that’s a very good showing in Hollywood!
If you can get 50 million people watching something that
represents you, that’s pretty heady stuff in Hollywood.
JM: I didn’t do it. I didn’t even know anything
about it. But since then, there have been about six other
professionally-presented videos done on me that I had no idea. People
would call and tell me: There’s an hour show on you in England;
there’s an hour show on you in France.
came over -- the National German Network -- came over, and did an hour
program on me, and they had Arnold Schwarzenegger in it, and the whole
thing was in German. [Kerry laughs] I still have a copy of it they
sent me. It was done in German on me.
KC: I understand. Now, I
don’t know if you’re willing to talk about this, but Zecharia Sitchin
and you sat down and you asked him to tell you a secret. Based on all
your time with him, the things that you had done for him, etcetera,
etcetera, you basically said: Tell me something that I don’t
KC: Are you willing to talk about
KC: Because I think that that is a clue
that people would really benefit from knowing.
JM: Yeah. I
don’t think I want to talk about that.
KC: Do you feel that Zecharia would not like that
information out there?
JM: No. It was that it was a private
conversation and when I asked him... Because, like I said, at one time
I was in business with Zecharia. I had a contract with him, and so we
were business partners, and so I felt a little bit more of a leeway to
talk with Zecharia in private. So I asked him one time some very
personal questions about his work and it was absolutely mind-blowing
and staggering, the things he was telling me.
And then... Well
anyway, then he told me some things about myself and I was
amazed. I never heard such a thing, that what he was being told, or
wherever he got it from, he had a view on me, who I am and what
I’m doing. But at that time we were talking, it was a private
conversation, and I think it’d be better just left private.
KC: Okay. Fine.
JM: All I will say is this: Zecharia
Sitchin is a fascinating man and a brilliant writer, and I love
everything he’s doing, and I love the man. He’s a very dear friend and
I love Zecharia Sitchin. He’s a very, very gentleman kind of guy, and
so... I like that.
KC: Okay. Would you classify what you’ve
been talking about, in a sense, as a “war” that is going on, on
a spiritual level?
JM: Yes. No doubt about it.
the hearts and minds of humanity?
JM: Yes. Absolutely. There
is a spiritual war going on right now and Hollywood’s making movies
about it – War of the Worlds, Steven Spielberg. I’ve said so
many times that Steven Spielberg and George Lucas are many things, but
stupid is not one of them. [laughs]
Steven Spielberg is trying
to tell you something. In one of his interviews a few years back, I
remember he said that he does not... Steven Spielberg said: I don’t
make movies to entertain, necessarily; I make movies to comment on
important issues of the day.
And looking at Spielberg’s
work, which is genius... something I want to say about Spielberg: I’ve
watched a lot of productions and I’ve been in Hollywood for a long
time, 48 years I’ve lived in North Hollywood and Hollywood, and I have
many, many, many friends in the industry. I already know, because I’ve
been told, that virtually all the major names in Hollywood know who I
am – and they should – I’ve been talking for 48 years! [laughs] And
they’re using all my stuff now, so they should know me.
Steven Spielberg is one of the most clever people I have ever watched
a person’s work, because he puts... a couple of things. One is: he’s a
stickler for accuracy on costumes and terms that are used, so anytime
you see anything that Spielberg has made, it’s very accurate – the
clothing that would have been worn in those days, the way the people
would have talked, it’s very accurately done. So he’s a stickler for
But the thing I really appreciate about Steven
Spielberg is he puts little things, little small things that you would
never see if you’re not looking for it, that are really a mind-blower,
a Wow. Back that up, and that one scene with that one person,
what they said... he’s a master at doing that. He’s a master at
putting powerful things in some little insignificant scene, so if
you’re not watching, you’ll never get to see the real genius of Steven
Spielberg. I love watching his movies because I know what I’m looking
JM: No, I never had a chance to meet Joseph Campbell.
KC: What about Arthur C. Clarke? Did you meet him?
No, I never had a chance to meet Arthur C. Clarke either, but I would
love to have. I’ve had opportunities to be in the company of people
like that, but I was not in a position to travel, I didn’t have the
money, I was in a depressed state of mind, and so I let some very
important people go by that I could have been with.
I used to
be on the board of directors of an organization in Hollywood – this
was quite a few years ago – called USofA. USofA was United
Sensitives of America. This organization was founded in Burbank
and I came in at a very early period and I ended up being on the board
of directors of USofA. I really didn’t take a whole lot of charge in
it. The man who started it pretty much ran it, but in words, I was on
the board of directors.
But anyway, it was an organization
where numerologists, astrologers, all kinds of esoteric disciplines
would come together and we would put on shows, expos, and also once a
year we would put on an award show where we would honor certain movie
stars for their work feeding the poor or whatever.
weren’t you also involved in maybe discovering murder suspects?
JM: Oh yeah.
KC: And also occult happenings that were
JM: Every two weeks, I think it was like every two
weeks, we would meet about 9:00 in the evening up in the Hollywood
Hills from the Hollywood sign. We would be up there, and there’d be
about 50 people up there in this big, huge home that was owned by a
movie star who had passed away. It was a huge, big home and the front
room was just enormous in size and there would be like 50 people there
every two weeks. There would be a group of astrologers, a group of
psychics, a group of numerologists, this group and that group, and
they were all different disciplines in the esoteric sciences.
And we would have the Police Department or the Sheriff’s
Department – usually it was LAPD would come up, sheriff a couple of
times too – and they would come up. We had a big blackboard and they
would have pictures up on the wall of the case that they wanted us to
talk about. They would show us the person who was kidnapped, or the
body that was found, or whatever the case was, and then the officer in
charge, usually a detective, would write down or have it already
written down, all the pertinent information that the Police Department
had and each group sat with a group. All the astrologers sat
KC: I do want to ask you which group were you
among? Were you psychic?
JM: No. I was with the people who
were putting it on. It was all being sponsored by the USofA, United
Sensitives of America, and since I was on the board, I was there
representing the company that’s putting this thing together.
Like I said, we also would have award ceremonies once a year
in which we would give awards to different people who were doing
different things for humanity. I was privileged to be able to be there
to give Manly Palmer Hall an award for his work in service to the
Manly Palmer Hall, I believe, was one of the finest and
most dearest men I have ever met in my life. He was not only charming,
an extraordinarily brilliant mind, but he was one of the most decent
and beautiful people that I have ever, personally, have ever met.
Manly Palmer Hall was an extraordinary teacher. He never
promoted anything. He merely educated people, as: This is where
this came from; this is where that came from; this is what that word
means. So he was an educator. People have called him all kinds of
names because he was a Mason. I knew him personally. I’ve been to his
home. When he died, he left me a beautiful gift – all of his research
journals, he left to me.
KC: That’s amazing.
JM: I was
shocked when I got a phone call from the Philosophical Research
Society in Los Angeles and Obadiah Harris, the president at that time,
said: Mr. Hall wanted you to have something when he passed
And I said: What is it? I was in San Diego.
And he said: I’m not going to tell you. Just come pick it
up. So I drove up that day to Los Angeles from San Diego and it
was all of the research journals of Manly Palmer Hall, he gave to me.
And I consider that to be a monumental gift from a very powerful man.
KC: Did you find some clues there to follow out? [laughs]
JM: Tons of stuff there.
Palmer Hall, as I said, was one of the greatest teachers the world has
ever known. In my humble opinion, I don’t think there’s ever been in
any era of time a man to come close to what Manly Palmer Hall was able
to do. Anyone who has an open mind – and of course, your mind is like
a parachute: it doesn’t work if it’s not open – anyone who is
intellectually honest, which you don’t find very much --
intellectually honest with an open mind, mature and intelligent person
looking at the work of Manly Palmer Hall would have to say this is one
of the greatest men that ever lived.
I don’t know how many...
maybe 70 or 80 books on esoteric subjects of the whole world; over 46
sets of lectures, like six 90-minute audio lectures of 46 esoteric
subjects of the world.
Plus thousands of lectures. Incidentally, I have everything he ever
did. Every lecture he ever did I have, digitized. Monumental work. But
he was a personal friend of mine and I loved him dearly. I’m saying
this because there are so many people who put him down because he was
a Mason. He was a wonderful teacher, a brilliant man, to which his
detractors could not even hold a candle.
KC: I hear you.
JM: And he’s not the only one. I have other people I feel the
same way about.
KC: Okay. How do you feel, just to change
gears here a little bit, about the current administration of Obama?
JM: [sighs] Well, I’m not political as such. Personally – I
think I ought to choose my words carefully here – because I like Obama
as a person, and he’s very personable; he’s the kind of guy I would
love to sit and chat with. His children are beautiful, his wife is a
very intelligent lady. And so I don’t have anything against Obama or
his family. I think they’re very personable and very interesting
But it’s the powers behind him, that he represents,
that’s frightening to me. I know things about the people who are
behind him that is absolutely staggering, frightening. I live in fear
of what’s coming, because of what I know – not because of what
I believe or think – because of what I know.
you talking about war? Are you talking about an agenda that involves
war? World War Three?
JM: Well, that’s always possible. Let me
go back and say this. Again, I have nothing against Obama as a person
and I like him. The family, nothing against them at all. But the
symbol that I was telling you about, that I’ve been working on... Did
you ever see the movie or the television show V?
JM: The very first one?
JM: Well, ABC is now remaking V. They’re remaking it.
And I was shocked – someone sent me an email. I think they were in
Hollywood, and they sent me an email with a picture from the new movie
coming out soon. I think it’s going to come out in the next month or
so, a made-for-television movie by ABC.
KC: Oh, really? Okay.
JM: Disney / ABC.
KC: Very interesting.
KC: Okay. Yeah?
JM: And it’s going
to be called V and it’s a remake of the original.
JM: But in it, the extraterrestrials who are referred to
as the Visitors? The Visitors in the new one are giving to the
public a pamphlet explaining their (quote) “New World Order” that they
are bringing to planet?
JM: And the
picture, which I have, shocked me. My knees got weak and I had to sit
down. It was shocking. It was the Visitors, the alien visitors who
looked like humans, were handing out pamphlets to the people about
their New Order that they were going to bring in and the title
of the pamphlet was: The Dawn of a New Day -- the very words
that I have been researching for some 40 years is now going to be in
the movie, the new V.
JM: And I’m
telling you, that is not only significant, it’s mind-blowing when I
give you the whole story. [Kerry laughs] ABC and Disney are telling
you something about this symbol that I’ve been looking at for a long
time and it’s going to be right in your face. Because I’m telling you,
that symbol is going to become the most important symbol around the
globe, for the first time in the public view.
Anytime you want
to do research on the hidden stuff like I’ve done, it’s everywhere.
But no, now because of Obama, now the secret societies of the – what I
think are extraterrestrial masters of this world – are going to bring
this symbol out into the world, so everyone can see it.
eventually what’s going to happen is that the whole human race is
going to wake up. And this is my opinion about 2012 – my opinion of
2012 is there’s going to be an awakening for the whole world: We’ve
been had! They’re going to see this is an ancient thing that’s
been coming for a long time and we never saw it, we didn’t understand
But when my video comes out that I want to do – it’s going
to be like a three-hour step-by-step on Obama’s symbol, Jimmy Carter,
all the Presidents, the Bushes, the entire superstructure of Western
Civilization, and what this stuff really means, and where it is
really comes from.
I think, and I’m not trying to
aggrandize myself, but I really believe that it’s going to cause quite
a sensation when people see what I really am, that I’ve never told
And when I see Obama using the same terms, the
same symbol, the same one that the Communists used, the Nazis have
used, the fascists have used, the secret societies around the world of
Freemasonry have used; the Babylonians; as I said, all the ancient
Egyptians – they all used the same word, term, and symbol.
now ABC is coming out, Disney / ABC is coming out with a new remake of
V and in it, the extraterrestrials that look like humans, who
are bringing a (quote) “New Order” to the world, and the pamphlet in
the movie is called Dawn of a New Day!
WOW. I cannot believe how overwhelmingly obvious this secret
symbol is now becoming, and that’s why I will do this video on it.
KC: But were you told more about the movie? More about where
they’re going with it, in other words? I’m assuming you haven’t seen
JM: No, I haven’t seen it yet, but I watched the other
one so many times. And the “other ones”, if you remember the original,
the Visitors, they were wonderful people. They were very gracious and
charming. And then remember the lady who was in charge of the
visitors, she was the highest ranking, she went into a room and pulled
off her face – it was a reptile alien?
personally, I brought David Icke to America. He was in America because
I brought him here, personally.
JM: And so
I’m saying that I am totally convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt, for
myself, that there are such things as reptile aliens, though I have
never seen one, thank God. But I totally believe they are here. Not
because of David Icke, not because of Credo Mutwa, who I love
listening to, a wonderful, fascinating man. David Icke has done great
stuff. But I believe there are reptile aliens here, because of my own
I have been in the company of at least
eight people over the past many years, eight different people... each
one is extraordinarily well-grounded, people. Airline pilot, one, with
a major airline.
A very wealthy man in Las Vegas who buys and
sells commercial hotels and buildings, etcetera – extremely wealthy
man – Christian, incidentally, very Christian man, but very, very
wealthy and very highly intelligent man sat down and told me about his
personal one-on-one with a reptile alien in which many others in his
church were privy to see. That’s a whole story in itself that happened
in Colorado. And then to have scientists...
And a young lady
who was one of my favorite people in the world, a young lady called
Nancy, who just blew me away. On my radio show – I used to have a
show; I’ve had seven different radio shows in my life. I’d like to get
back on radio and do my own show again. But I had a show on KPFK here
in Los Angeles, FM station, and one night I had Nancy on and Nancy
just blew the audience away. She is so feminine, so incredibly
charming and feminine girl, talking about stuff that will blow your
JM: Her father was in the Air Force. Her
family was Air Force, but her father was in charge of Project
Retrievables for the Air Force – the man who was in charge of going
out wherever in the world [there was] any extraterrestrial activity.
He was in charge in the Air Force to go there first, and he was the
boss, and she said the modus operandi was always the same. I’ll
have to make you a copy of her two... I’ve got two two-hour interviews
that will just knock you out.
KC: I’d love to hear.
JM: You could tell this is a very charming girl, but telling
you stuff that you’re going to have to sit down to deal with. [laughs]
She said wherever they would go; she always lived on military
bases. And she said always the method was the same... there was one
phone in the house for the family, and then there was another phone,
which no one ever touched; you never used it.
When that phone
would ring, no matter when -- two in the morning, three in the morning
-- it doesn’t matter; if that phone rang, her father had ten minutes
to be fully dressed with his briefcase, and ready to go. In ten
minutes a car would pull up and nothing was said -- no voices, nothing
was said. A knock on the door, he would walk out; he would have
military escort into the car, get in the car, and drive off, and
nothing said. Nobody knows where he’s gone, and nobody needs to know.
And so she said that many a night, they would get that phone
ring, he would get up, dress, briefcase ready to go, and they would
take him somewhere in the world where something has just happened and
the Air Force was sending him to see what just happened and they’re in
And she would tell me the things that her father, and
especially her mother... She said the father would never tell her
anything when she was a child, but the mother would tell her later on
She told me an experience that just blew my mind
about a reptile alien. You really have to hear it from her, but
basically the story is so fascinating [that] I‘ve got to tell you it.
She said: her father would never allow her to be left alone
in the house, ever. When he would go off during the day... they live
on base... it doesn’t matter. When he would leave the house,
immediately military would come and guard all four corners of the
property. They would sit there in cars and guard while he’s gone
anywhere. If he went to the market or whatever, they would be guarding
the house, and he would never allow her to stay at home by herself.
And so she said one night – you’ll hear this interview –
she said one night... it wasn’t on base, they were here in Los Angeles
And she said that her mom and dad were going next
door to a party next door, and she asked her dad if she could stay.
She was like thirteen, fourteen years old.
And he said: No.
So she talked to her mother and the mother
talked to the father and got him to agree that she could stay home.
And she said: so for the first time in her life, she was
actually going to be alone in the house by herself.
said: she was in a bedroom combing her hair and she had a mirror
that she could see her closet and the closet had French doors.
She said: they were closed, partially closed, and it wasn’t
too well lit in the room.
She said: she was combing her
hair, looking at the closet door, and all of a sudden, the closet door
opened up and a reptile alien stepped out.
She said: he
had to bend down to get under the header and he stood up.
She said: it was a full-grown man, extremely muscular, but
it was a reptile body, reptile alien head.
And she said:
This thing looked at me and I’m looking at it in the mirror.
And she said: He started moving toward me without moving
his legs – he was just floating toward her, slowly.
she said: I felt like it was like coming up on a fly, you know,
grab it quick.
She says: she jumped up and screamed and
ran down the hallway, ran into the bathroom, locked the door, opened
the window and started screaming.
Of course, everybody in
the neighborhood heard.
And she said: this reptile alien
came down the hallway.
And she said: I could feel him
walking, because he was so heavy and he was scraping on the door,
growling like a dinosaur growl, scraping on the door. She said:
that when her father and the neighbors come running up, they opened
the door. When they came running up, they were yelling outside, this
reptile alien ran back down the hallway into her bedroom and
She said: when her father came in, the
bathroom door was just ripped, and obviously, the father said he was
not going to hurt her, but it was a message.
And he said:
That’s why I never wanted her to stay alone, because these aliens
have told us, the Air Force, that “You keep poking your nose into our
business. Every time something happens you come out and poke your
nose. So we just want you to know, the next time something happens and
you poke your nose into our business, while you’re out here poking
your nose in our business, some of us are going to come visit your
daughter, so you need to stay home and stay out of our business.”
So he said that’s why they always had military around any
time he left.
And so when she was telling me this story about
other reptile aliens... and of course, I’ve heard it from so many
legitimately-important people, I have to believe that there is
something to this story. I have personally not seen one, but I don’t
want to. [Kerry laughs]
But I’ve seen enough to know that
there are lifeforms on this Earth, which are not from here. I’ve
already seen too much to know that. My experiences have been
extraordinary. As I said, 36 major experiences I’ve had in my life,
where I’ve dealt with other-world phenomena.
KC: Okay. Well,
this is a really amazing interview. Can you talk at all about anything
else that you think that people should know in terms of the overall
picture that you’ve been giving them here?
JM: I would say:
Be aware that there is a war for your soul. There is a war for
the spiritual. You know, there’s always been this question for
thousand of years, all the great philosophers ask it, about whether we
are physical bodies which have a spirit in it, or are we originally a
spirit which has taken on a physical body? You know, which comes
first, the chicken or the egg?
But, I am convinced that no
matter how it happens -- if we were physical and took on a spirit, or
maybe we were spirit and took on a physical body, I believe that there
is a war going on from somebody out there that was an original enemy
of whoever created us. So whoever created us has enemies out there in
the universe and that are diabolical enemies.
And we know this
is true in government, you know. You may see the President and the
First Lady and all of that. It’s very prominent and proper, but they
have enemies, powerful enemies. That’s why they have to be totally
surrounded by military and protection because they have serious
enemies. Something happened to me that tells me that there’s something
going on like that. I was in Hawaii many years ago. My wife and some
friends, we went to Hawaii for the first time. I was sitting in a
restaurant across the street from the Hilton Village.
restaurant – which is a main drag, a main strip – I was sitting with
my back to the door. Someone came in and I immediately had an
electrical charge go through my body. It’s bad enough being shocked by
a wall plug, but if you don’t know it’s coming, it’s even worse.
I was sitting at the table talking, and all of a sudden,
somebody came in and an electrical shock went through me and I knocked
stuff on the table, I knocked water and stuff on the table and I
jumped up, involuntarily.
I just jumped up and something told
me: Run quick, you’re in trouble! You’re going to die. Run
I ran out the back door of the restaurant... ran
across the restaurant -- left my wife and my friends -- ran across the
restaurant, ran out the back door.
And the voice said: Run
quick, you’re in trouble! Go across the street to the hotel.
And I screamed, I remember yelling: I can’t go across the
street, there’s traffic out there.
And it said: Run!
There will be no traffic. Run!
And so I ran out into the
street, involuntarily. I was not making a conscious decision to do any
of this, it was being foisted on me. I ran across the street and as it
so happened, there was no traffic for that little stretch.
ran out and it said: Go out around the hotel.
was saying: Run quick to the hotel.
And I ran around
the hotel and it said: All right, you’re safe now. Now you’re
And I sat down, my heart was pounding, and I kept
thinking: What did I just do? And how am I going to explain this to
my wife and my friends, what I just did involuntarily? I don’t know
That happened to me twice.
second time was a few months later in Los Angeles. I was on the corner
of Fairfax and Wilshire Boulevard in a little coffee shop called
Johnnie’s Hamburger Stand. It’s a little restaurant. I was sitting at
the counter and I noticed – peripheral vision, I didn’t look over to
see them, but peripheral vision -- I saw two guys walk in, and as they
walked in, immediately an electrical shock hit me. I almost fell
off... I was at the counter.
And the voice said: Get out
quick! You’re in trouble. Run!
And I so I grabbed a bunch
of money, threw it on the counter and tripped trying to get out of the
chair on the counter. I got up and I hit the side door and I ran north
And the voice kept saying: Run! Your life is in
danger. Run quick!
I ran about two or three blocks until I
was just about out of breath and then the voice said: All right.
You’re safe now. You’re safe now. Sit down.
And I sat
down; my heart was pounding again. And it was involuntary... I didn’t
make a conscious choice to run, I just started running and the voice
was talking. It was yelling to me. It was actually like a yell:
MOVE QUICK! YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER!
So that happened
twice to me. I have no idea what that all means. I’m just telling you
KC: Okay. So you are positing the fact that
there is this symbol that in the symbol is basically telling the world
of a New World Order and the return, or basically, a Son [and/or Sun]
taking control, and that this is happening sometime in the near
KC: And I’m assuming you think
around 2012. Is that correct?
JM: Yeah. That’s what I think.
KC: Okay. And then you’re talking also about, really,
reptilians and an agenda which is not quite clear but there is
something going on with that.
JM: That’s right.
what I’m now asking you is whether or not that so-called king is
JM: Well, I don’t know and what I would say to an
audience that’s watching this... I’ve said it too many times before,
but I think it bears saying again: I’m not the world’s foremost
authority on anything. I’m just telling you what I have seen with my
own eyes, what has happened to me in my life.
But I would also
say to anyone who would scoff at this, just look at what I have to
offer first before you make a decision if I’m crazy or not. See what I
have amassed in the past 40 years that I haven’t told you, that you
don’t know that I have, and see the research that I have done on this
subject of this New Order of the world which I started talking about
back in 1960.
I was sending letters to Belmont, Massachusetts
back in 1960, Belmont Massachusetts. I was sending letters to the John
Birch Society who had just been formed in 1959. The John Birch Society
was, of course, exposing all the Communist activity in the world,
especially in America.
I was already well into all of that in
’59 when they started, and so I started sending them articles, things
like: Well, you need to look at this symbol and this word and this
term here and also you might want to look at this guy and this
organization. So I was sending them little tidbits of information
back in 1960 on the subject of Illuminati... on secret societies, not
Because the Illuminati, I found out about, like I
said, in 1967 when Anthony Hilder produced the series of records, of
three 33-1/3 record albums called Illuminati. . [“The
Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations”] The man speaking
was an incredibly interesting man named Myron Fagan and I don’t know
if you’ve ever heard Myron Fagan, The Illuminati record. It
will knock you out, absolutely. Today, it’s still a knockout when I
hear it today
JM: I heard it 40 years ago.
When I hear it today, it’s still a mind-blower.
KC: I have a
question for you that is a little bit moving on to another topic. It
has to do with the illuminati, but I wonder if you would address it.
What is the significance of merging the red and the black?
Oh, that’s interesting. It’s called – red and black and white, all
three: red, black, and white – are referred to in Hollywood as
Death’s Head colors, because Death’s Head comes from a
Nazi organization called the SS, the Gestapo. Gestapo was referred to
as the Order of the Death’s Head, and the Order of the
Death’s Head, Gestapo of Nazi Germany symbol was the skull and
crossbones – Skull and Bones. That was their symbol.
I attended a lecture many years ago by a black
doctor who worked at Martin Luther King Hospital and some of my
friends in the motion picture industry, black entertainers, called me
and said: You really need to be here tonight. You need to come and
hear this. It’s going to be a private lecture by a doctor from Chicago
who came out here. It was an actual doctor working at Martin
Luther King Hospital and he was giving a lecture on Death’s
It was fascinating. It was a slide
presentation at a library, in Santa Monica library, in a private
invitation only. There was only about 25 to 30 people there. And he
was explaining the Death’s Head colors, why it’s black, white,
and red, and how black, white, and red are used in motion pictures.
When someone is going to die or someone’s going to be killed, those
are the three prominent colors that will always be in those scenes.
They’re called Death’s Head colors. They symbolize the darkness
of the darkest, the most profound presence of evil – red, white, and
KC: But there’s also a significance in terms of the
occult, with regard to certain genetics.
JM: Certain genetics?
Oh, of course.
KC: In other words, the red being a red-headed
person with certain kinds of DNA.
JM: Oh, I’m sure there’s
more to that.
KC: And the black being a blond, usually Celtic,
a mixture perhaps.
JM: I’m sure that there is that, too. Yeah.
The only thing I was saying was that was very interesting because I
remember that night he talked about the European Masonic Orders and
how the Mexican gangs in Los Angeles and around the country use
Masonic symbols from a particular Masonic Order in Europe, while the
black gangs use opposing symbols and terms of a different Masonic
Order in Europe, and that most likely the gang members themselves do
not realize that these actually can be traced back to Masonic symbols
So I believe that the gangs going on in America
today are being organized, directed, and financed out of Europe to
destroy our culture in America. I think that European Freemasonry is
heavily involved in destroying America, and you need to understand the
whole story about how America was founded, and how it was founded as a
corporation. It’s a privately-owned corporation. We can talk about
that for days on end.
This is just my opinion, one man’s
opinion, but I’m going to give you my opinion as to the bottom line on
the world today and the stuff that’s going on, on the Earth today.
What we call Illuminati was originally a term which was
given to, in Spain, to a religious order in Spain that later on were
amalgamated into what we call Jesuits, so the Jesuits are truly
KC: And the Vatican. And you go into
that as well.
JM: That was what I was going to say. Yes. I
believe that one of the most evil organizations that exists on the
Earth today – and you’d have to have spent all the years with me in
libraries and research societies and travel and go around the world
and talking to other writers, authors, lecturers, and teachers, and
collecting this stuff over a period of 45 to 48 years – to understand
what I’m telling you. But I believe today the most serious, evil
organization on the face of the Earth is the Vatican. That’s my
I think if the Vatican was done away with
off the face of the Earth, there would be a shot of liberation heard
round the world, because the Vatican, in my opinion, is the bulwark of
this dark thing that’s happening on the Earth.
So when you
talk about Illuminati, when you talk about the really dark criminal
stuff that’s going on on the Earth, you’re talking the Vatican.
You’re talking the Knights of Malta, which gave us... the six
men who founded the CIA in America were all Catholics, members of the
Knights of Malta.
When you begin to look at the banking
fraternities in America, like the Bank of America, Union Bank in
California, all of these people who founded these banks and today are
running the banking establishment are all Knights of Malta – Catholic
So when I hear people talking about the Jews this,
the Jews that, and the Jews are responsible, I say: No, no. You
better go back and do your homework. The Jews have been
slaughtered all over Europe by the Vatican.
You need to
remember that for at least 2,300 years, Rome has dominated Europe,
under the Caesars of Rome. Then in the late 4th century the Vatican
comes into being and the Vatican dominates all of Europe.
the heads of state, all the princes and kings and rulers... all the
kings and rulers in Europe ruled by the Divine Right. It’s
called the Divine Right of Kings.
What are you talking
about? Who represents Divine to give the king the right?
– the Pope. The Pope appoints certain families to be over the French,
the Pope appoints certain people to be over the Germans, and over the
British – and by Divine right. Why? Because the Pope represents
God, and the Pope says that this family is holy and that they should
rule, and therefore they’ll say they rule by Divine Right.
The whole idea of Divine goes back to the chalice, you
know, the Holy Grail. And in the Catholic Mass, you have the priest
breaking the bread and then pouring the wine. Well, wine is made from
grapes and wine is red, so it’s a red grape wine. It represents the
blood of the Atonement. Blood... it’s a blood sacrifice.
does the wine come from? It comes from grapes, and grapes grow on
the vine... and that’s where we get the concept and the word
Divine because grapes come from the vine. So that’s where we
get the word Divine.
And once you begin to realize how
the Vatican has... for over 2,300 years, Rome has dominated Europe,
and in 1,600 years, the Vatican has dominated Europe – and Europe, for
2,300 years, has dominated the Earth.
So if you want to talk
about conspiracies and you want to talk about evil, don’t talk about
Jews. You better talk about the people who control Europe for over
2,300 years – Caesar of Rome, the Roman Catholic establishment.
There’s the real story.
Now you’re getting into Mafiosi. Now
you’re getting into the fraternal orders of Freemasonry out of Europe,
Knights of Malta. Now you’re getting into the organized crimes
– Sicily, Corsica – and all of the profound drug-running, white
slavery, murder for hire, Vatican.
I mean, even... what was
his name, the producer of Godfather? What was his name? Francis
Ford Coppola. In Godfather III, Francis Ford Coppola, in
Godfather III, the third one in the series, opens up with
Michael Corleone being anointed by the Cardinal in New York to be a
member of the Knights of Malta in the Catholic Church in New
What is he telling you? The connection between the
Vatican, the Holy Father – there’s nothing holy about the “Holy
Father”. There’s nothing holy in Israel. Nothing. There’s nothing holy
in the Vatican. There is nothing holy in Salt Lake City. There’s
nothing holy in religion, period.
It’s a way that the masters,
whoever these entities are who are controlling the human race, they
have set up certain institutions of learning, of education, religion,
and government. That’s why I’ve said you better go back and do your
homework on where the history of the world comes from.
see the world being run by Jews. I see Jews being used, but you
will find that even Rothschild, the Rothschild family who we hear so
much about: Those Jews who were running Europe. No. If you go
back and look at the history of the Rothschilds, you will find that
Rothschilds represented the Vatican.
He was dealing for the
Vatican. He was a Vatican banker appointed by the Vatican to deal for
them, so that the Catholic Church would never be involved in all that
terrible stuff going on in banking: We’ll let the Jew do it.
Then, of course, if something comes out, well, it was Jewish,
obviously. No, no. It’s your money that he was handling.
you really want to nail down the real enemy to America and then to the
Earth, I’m telling you it’s only taken me 48 years to get here. I was
born and raised Catholic. I mean, my whole family were very Catholic.
We were the most Catholic family in town. But I know history and I
know that the most criminal organization on the face of the Earth, in
my humble opinion – I don’t know that much about it, I’ve just been
looking here for 48 years – is the Vatican.
KC: I hear you.
JM: As far as I’m concerned, it’s the worst thing that’s ever
happened to the world is what’s really going on in the Vatican. And
that doesn’t even bring up the subject of Propaganda Due, P2 –
Propaganda Due, P2 Lodge. That was even mentioned in
Godfather III twice.
There’s a Masonic order in Europe
called Propaganda Due. It’s called P2, and P2 is connected
directly through membership with Opus Dei and the Knights of
Malta and the Jesuits. Jesuits/ Opus Dei/ Knights of Malta/
Masonic Order, are connected directly to something called
Propaganda Due, P2 Lodge of Freemasonry.
P2 Lodge of
Freemasonry is world famous to people who do research into criminal
organizations. P2 is pure, unadulterated, pouring directly out of the
trough of Nazism. Underworld organizations, drugs, human trafficking,
pornography, violence, underworld organizations – it’s all P2. They’re
the ones who are promoting the right-wing death squads in Central and
South America, Mexico, the drug cartels in Colombia.
talking Catholic Knights of Malta/ drug cartels/ Colombia –
extraordinary vice on a level which it is hard for most humans to
recognize and it’s all being orchestrated out of the Holy
Father in Rome.
This is why I’ve said so many times, there’s
never gonna be a time in the history of this country that America will
be saved. I don’t believe America can be saved. I truly do not believe
that America – or the human race – I don’t think...
my opinion, again, but I don’t think the human race can be saved and I
don’t think America can be saved, because so many millions of people
just love the filth and degeneracy of the world we live in. They love
it. They love the Holy Father and all the pomp and glory of all the
politicians and kings and rulers and the pusillanimous pictures of
Bush kissing the ring of the Holy Father.
What does that look
like, for Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the house Nancy Pelosi, in full
color on the news, bowing down and curtsying and bowing down and
kissing the ring of a Roman Pontiff?
The men who founded our
great nation would throw up with this treason, high crimes and treason
against the state by these people who call themselves America’s
leaders. I’m telling you, the Vatican has given us the Mafia,
drug-running, prostitution, terrorism, violence.
JM: Child pornography. All of it.
the children that are disappearing. Are you familiar with Leo Zagami?
KC: Okay. He’s gone back into
the fold because they tortured him.
when he was out for a moment talking to us, he talked about underneath
the Vatican is a huge reptilian base.
JM: I don’t know. I
wasn’t there, but it wouldn’t surprise me. [laughs]
JM: I don’t know.
KC: So there is some kind of linkup
between the agenda of the Illuminati, the Vatican who’s heading all of
that up, and this reptilian roll-out – to get back to where we were
talking about and perhaps this so-called figure who’s taking the
throne and the symbolism that you’re talking about.
don’t know, but it wouldn’t surprise me. It wouldn’t shock me. I want
to say something about Dan Brown’s movies.
KC: Okay. Angels
and Demons, and the other one...
BR: DaVinci Code.
JM: DaVinci Code, and now this new one.
it really called the...? What we were...?
JM: I think it’s
called The Hidden Symbol or The Secret Symbol, or
something like that, which my producer friend and I were going to do a
movie and we were going to call it The Hidden Secret or The
KC: I understand.
JM: And now Dan
Brown comes out, the Secret... As far as I’m concerned, I have
no respect whatsoever for Dan Brown. None. I have no respect for the
man at all, because as far as I’m concerned, he’s plagiarized and
stolen and I don’t like people who steal, because I’ve had it happen
KC: He stole from Holy Blood, Holy Grail. Isn’t
JM: Oh, you can bet on it. Absolutely. He stole
the whole thing, that whole story, Dan Brown and The DaVinci
Code and all this other... Angels and Demons, all of that
Now let me tell you what I think. This is just my
opinion. I think Dan Brown is a plant. I think he’s nothing more than
a paid lackey and a plant. I am totally sure that the real Illuminati,
whoever these guys are at the top of the world, use people like Dan
Brown, who don’t mind making a lot of money to become a whore. I think
that’s all he is. In my humble opinion, I think Dan Brown is just a
whore. He’s just taking the money and sleeping with the enemy.
I think what he’s doing is he is nothing more than presenting
what his masters behind the scenes want the public... and so they will
spend all kinds of money telling you about how wonderful Dan Brown is
and Oh my God! He’s so brilliant and intelligent, and all this
silly nonsense. And the people who are so used to sucking up to
Hollywood will believe that stuff.
Me, I’ve been around
Hollywood 48 years. I know this stuff backwards and forwards. I think
Dan Brown is nothing more than a front for a very powerful Masonic
Order in Europe which is trying to lay the foundations for this
Novus Ordo Seclorum, Dawn of a New Day sunrise-thing
that’s coming. I think Dan Brown is nothing more than a whore taking
the money and making it look like he’s the one that came up with this,
when in point of fact, no, it was stolen. It was stolen from three men
in England: Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln.
JM: Back in 1980, there was a book put out that became a New
York best-seller for many, many months. It was a top-of-the-line
best-seller called Holy Blood, Holy Grail and the three authors
were three British authors, Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln.
outlined for the first time, the story of the Knights Templar
Masonic Order in Europe, the Knights of the Holy Grail, the whole
concept of a Masonic secret society operating in the world. And I
wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they weren’t better informed about this
than what they let us know. I don’t think they just by chance happened
upon it. I think they already knew something and they were putting it
out in a book in such a way as to start people thinking about it.
But nonetheless, Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln were
extraordinarily brilliant writers and their research was impeccable. I
mean, these guys nailed it down, and even today around the world,
people who are knowledgeable on these subjects will agree: Baigent,
Leigh, and Lincoln did one hell of a job; they had their homework
KC: Okay. Well, I have one last question.
been an amazing journey to take with you, and I hope that we can go
down that road a little further in the future. I think that people
that are watching this really need to get up to speed with, you know,
following your other work, your previous work, hopefully attending any
conferences you’re speaking at. I believe that you are coming forward.
You had no preparation whatsoever and you spoke at our Awake and
Aware Camelot Conference here in Los Angeles just last weekend,
and it’s really an honor to be here with you.
But I want to
ask you if you think that this Illuminati and what’s going on in the
United States right now, do you really think that they are going to be
successful in taking down this country? Because it’s clear that there
is someone protecting you, there is a group protecting you. You
certainly have some amazing powers, as you’ve demonstrated. Do you
think that these powers, these Illuminati people behind the scenes are
going to be successful at taking down the United States government?
JM: Yes. I totally agree. Yes. That’s what I think.
KC: Okay. I mean, you do have people behind the scenes that
are protecting you. You’ve demonstrated that time and time again on
KC: They’re, therefore, in
theory, protecting us here, Project Camelot, and other of our
witnesses and so on because we are all talking about the same thing
from different angles and getting our research together, and so on.
JM: That’s right.
KC: But in essence what I’m
wondering... There are white hats operating, as you know, and as we
know because we have been interacting with those people from time to
time. Do you think it’s possible that these people can be stopped?
KC: You don’t.
JM: No. I do not.
JM: I categorically say No. I do not
believe there is any reasonable evidence of anything of hope for
America or for the world. That’s my personal opinion. I think that the
light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming.
doubt in my mind, for myself. I do not believe America or the world at
large is going to be able to extricate itself out of this situation.
No. I do not believe it’s possible.
And the reason why is
because the people are too stupid. They’re too ill-informed, ignorant,
ill-informed, un-read, self-centered, egotistical, materialistic, and
down-right stupid. And they don’t care. Basically speaking, people
Ludwig von Mises in one of these books, the great
European economist, Ludwig von Mises said -- and he’s right-on as far
as I’m concerned -- he said that in every age and in every country,
the people of every nation have always supported a dictator. The
people have always supported a dictator and they always will.
There’s never been a time in the history of the human race
that you can show me where the people of a nation rose up and demanded
their freedom, liberty, and justice for all, not even in America.
Ninety-seven percent of the male population in America at the time of
the American Revolution did nothing. Only 3 percent took up
arms against the British masters and gave us a modicum of freedom. But
happily that will never happen again. America is finished.
This father of the girlfriend that you had, when he spoke to you, did
he tell you that we’re doomed? I mean, why did he call in the UFOs and
tell you all these things if we were just going down the toilet? Did
he tell you that we were doomed? Did he tell you there was a war and
that we were going to lose, no matter what?
KC: Okay. Let me rephrase this: Do you realize that your
mission and your call to arms, which you’re really coming right on the
verge here – I mean, I think that the new release of V is sort
of a signal to the populace, a last-ditch attempt to wake the people
up as to what may be coming – and basically you have a mission, we
have a mission.
I’m sorry, you know, Jordan Maxwell, you’re a
brilliant man, but you were put here for a reason. You have incredible
force behind you. The man who spoke to you all those years ago and
told you that you would have a journey is certainly behind you now. I
would say that, judging from everything that’s gone on with Project
Camelot, that we have some of the same force behind us.
have to say that the fact that you’re sitting here today, and you’re
talking to us, and you’re alive and well, and you’re coming forward at
this moment and talking about things with really no holds barred, is
indication to me that there is something going on that’s more than you
have dreamed of in your philosophy. So I want to thank you very much.
JM: Well, I want to answer that question. I do not believe
America can be saved.
KC: I hear you.
JM: I do not
believe the human race can be extricated or saved from what is coming.
I do not believe that my mission here is to save anybody. I believe
what I am doing is to help those who want to know, those handful of
people who are awakening and who sincerely spiritually understand the
dynamics of what’s going on and who want to know and want to change
and want the protection of the spirit... That’s a small modicum of
people, a very small niche.
I do not believe America can be
saved. I’m doing what I’m doing only to help those who want to know.
KC: Obviously you are a person who is trying to wake up
people. Okay? Sometimes there has to be a severe word told to the
people in order to actually get them to awaken and I do believe that
this is part of your mission. But I will thank you from Project
Camelot. I hope that you are wrong about your final judgment on the
JM: I do, too.
KC: And I’m sure you do,
JM: Absolutely. That’s why I’m trying to do whatever I
can to help those who want to know and hopefully it may spread. Thank
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