A Dream by Jan Ingersoll
With Interpretation by Joe Mason


In the mid '80s I dreamed one of my strongest teaching dreams. I even drew pictures. It was very clear & meaningful to me.

I was walking on a very large,green grassy plateau. There was a pretty little girl with me. I was taking care of her for someone. As we walked over a long distance,all alone on this green plain,we saw a small wooden shack sitting alone out there.(It looked like an 'outhouse')..I said to the girl" ,let's see what that is".

As we walked up to this shack, we saw a large sign on it that said "TICKETS". There was a man inside. I asked what he was selling. He said '"MOVIE TICKETS".."DO YOU WANT TO BUY TICKETS?" I thought about it & said "NO.I think we'll just go take a look. Where is the movie?" He said,"just over that hill."

I took the girl by the hand & we walked on. We came to a very LARGE PIT or deep round hole in the ground. It was surrounded by a small fence on the rim. There was a very large CINEMESCOPE MOVIE SCREEN inside the pit wall. It covered over half of the pit. There was a COLOR movie playing. I said to the girl,"lets sit here on the RIM for awhile & see what is happening." I held her,as our legs dangled over the edge. We looked down to the rocky pit floor.

The pit was full of, women & children. They were all facing the screen, intently intrigued by the pictures & story. Many of them were laying on their stomachs to watch. Some of the children were busily playing in the rocks & puddles of water in the bottom. No one looked around or up. I could see all around & down..observing, but not involving in the movie.

As i watched, SUDDENLY THE MOVIE SCREEN WENT BLANK (in the middle of the movie). Simultaneously to this event, I saw a HUGE BLACK HOLE OPEN in the side of the pit. A big rush of WATER was beginning to pour into the pit.

I was I saw there was NO EXITS in the pit. The people sat up startled when the movie quit. They were mulling around in confusion & running through little streams & puddles on the floor. They tried to gather the children & still NO ONE PAID ATTENTION to the HUGE WATERFALL coming at them, until it was too late. Many drowned in the pit. A FEW good SWIMMERS FLOATED to the TOP RIM ..going WITH THE FLOW..

I took the little girl by the hand and we turned back across the green plateau. The SHOW WAS OVER...

I had no strong feelings in this dream. I felt wonderment & puzzlement..Why couldn't they just look around & see the screen, with just a projected picture? All they had to do was 'turn around'. They were too involved to see that the pictures weren't real.. The huge hole & water were. They also got themselves into a 'hole that they couldn't get out of' stairsteps, etc. It happened so fast they had nothing to do but 'sink or swim'. The strugglers & stragglers didn't make it in those forms. The 'swimmers' got out fast & easily. They didn't need the steps!

From Jan Ingersol

Date: 97-11-29 23:59:02 EST

Dream Interpretation by Joe Mason

Our reality seems to be portrayed sometimes as being like a stage play or film. One woman was told in a dream, "Yes! The world is like a stage play, but a VERY important one!" It seems to be a very old idea. I read that Plato said something like this - reality is like watching shadows on a curtain. You have to watch very closely to figure out what is going on behind the curtain. It seems similar to the Eastern teaching that we are in the land of Maya, illusion.

There are many myths about the underworld, like the Greek Persephone. Another is about the 12th labor of Hurcules, where he had to kill the three-headed dog that guarded the gate of Hades. The dog would let anyone in, but would let no one out. Some myths, like the Babylonian one about Ishtar, have seven steps down to the Underworld.

In "Isis Unveiled," vol. 2, by H. P. Blavasky, two ancient depictions are shown that are almost the same. One is from India, and the other is Kabalistic. A triangle is at the top, labeled "AUM" in one depiction. It has a Father Ray and Mother Ray. Below this is a circle with a Star of David type diagram. Below that is a circle, labeled "World of Maya, or illusion" in one depiction, and "Hell, the Objective World called Earth." .

Prior to see the diagrams, I had the feeling that underground or "Hell" could be saying something about the earth reality. Your dream is not like Hell, but it has a similarity.

In the Hopi creation myth, three chambers are shown underground. The Creator first put insects in a chamber and told them to figure out the meaning of life. They couldn't do it, so Spider Grandmother came and helped them to climb to the second chamber, where they became animals. Same thing, and they went to the third chamber and became humans. Finally, Spider Grandmother came again, this time assisted by birds, and the people reached the surface and sunlight. Then Spider Grandmother taught them how to weave.

Buying tickets to the movie is also interesting. About seven years ago there was a dream posted to a network called, "Queen Diana Dream." In the dream she went to a Diana Ross concert. She went back stage and got a ticket or pass from a man at a desk. She went through a door, down a hallway, and into another room. There was a small door in the room. She went through, and was on a slide going down. Lights shined on and through her, examining her. "No shit is allowed down here" she realized. She saw others sliding down on slides. Then, she was in a boat with Queen Diana, surrounded by her loyal subjects.

As you can see, there are quite a few similarities to your dream. Even the "shit" (pardon my French!) may compare to the ticket building looking like an outhouse. This is an important type of symbolism to me, which appears often in various forms. I think it can be a play on the "food-for-thought" symbolism. These thoughts/beliefs have been consumed and digested, and all the nutrients removed. It is time to dump them.

The meaning of the ticket or pass in the Diana dream seems to be a little different than in you dream. She took the ticket and went underground. You refused the ticket, but watched safely from above. I would think that taking the ticket shows that we choose to come to the land of Maya, and are not forced to do so. In one of my theories about the Bible, this is expressed in Daniel 9:27, where a covenant is made with many for one week, and for half of the week . . . something negative happens. The "covenant" is like a contract or agreement, or like taking a ticket.

In the theory, this refers to the seven chakras, and the critical midpoint of 3 and 1/2. It is the point between the lower three chakras and the Heart chakra. I spoke of it in this article:

Notice too, that the Hopi myth has three chambers underground before the fourth step to the surface.

Diana is the Roman Artemis. She is the moon goddess and twin of Apollo. She is associated with a triple goddess symbolism, one of which is Hecate, who is of "Hell." I then remembered that Diana Ross was one of the three singers of "The Supremes."

I thought of it again recently when Princess Diana was killed in the underground pass. They say it was once a Pagan place of worship to the goddess Diana. And I loved it when they started calling her "The Queen of Hearts."

The water pouring into the pit seems to connect with other dreams, for example, my friend, Jeff, dreamed of riding on a bicycle up a hill outside the water treatment plant where we work. His wife came running with a telephone in her hand, saying he had an important call from the lady engineer. He couldn't hear the lady engineer very well, but knew she was telling him not to open the big valve yet that lets the purified water into the city.

I just remembered that the woman who had the Diana dream reported another one about the same time. In that dream, she saw a house in a barren valley. There was a pole next to it that showed high-water markers. She could see that it flooded every once in a while. She said something about it representing her stressful state of mind at the time, and that a flood was coming on.

Some dreams, like yours, has more of a Noah/Pisces type of flooding. Others, like Jeff's, has more of an Aquarius-like Water Bearer kind. In any case, my guess is that it is about the change to a new age.

I like the part about the people not paying attention to the water coming, and thinking the film was "real." It fits the situation I see today soooo well. So few are paying attention to dreams or much else other than the mundane-life things. So many think that is all there is to life, that there is no spiritual thing going on. This fits with a verse in Revelation, the one about "You have the name of being alive, but you are dead. Awake and save what is on the point of death." It goes on to say that some have not stained their garments, and will walk in white. (Jeff had a dream where his white pants got stained because of a backed-up urnal). Hades is the Land of the Dead in the Greek myths, yet the people are still animated, so they are not "dead" in the extinct sense.

Your dream seems to hint that the Great Change will happen very abruptly. I find this often, but I'm not sure if it will really happen "in the blinking of an eye," or "in one night," as Nostradamus said. But, I do have the feeling that it will happen a lot quicker than most people think.

The idea of people being caught by surprise and running about chaotically or in panic, has appeared in a lot of dreams. I think it's in the Bible too, about coming like a thief in the night.

Drowning, I think, can be like a spiritual baptism. The person is "re-born" afterwards. The few good swimmers seem to be those who are familiar with the spirit/unconscious/dreaming realm. And going with the flow, of course, is pretty obvious.

People really do need to "turn around" and see what is really happening. Sometimes I say that everyone has a telephone (dreams) to the other reality, but few pick it up.

Passionate journeys,

Joe Mason



In 1994, a voice in my dream said, "The Phantom of the Opera is God." This seemed outrageous, but I knew what it was talking about. I had heard the song from Andrew Loyd Webber's musical with the line, "The Phantom of the Opera is there, inside your mind." It was related to the painting on the Sistine Chappel by Michalangelo of God reaching to touch Adam's finger. I had read a new interpretation of it, saying that it is not God giving life to Adam, because he is already awake. It is God giving rational intelligence, because God is shown within a structure shaped like a human brain.

You can view the Sistine Chappel painting at :

It was also related to Revelation 17:17 - "For God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and giving over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled."

This all tied into an idea sometimes portrayed in dreams, that our world is like a stage play, where we actors have forgotten what is going on behind stage and what the script is about. Unconsciously, in the dream state, we do know, and help write the script. We are learning to be conscious co-creators, as symbolized by the (Royal, Lion) King.

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