1996 - My spider dreams are always unexpected, but the spiders are often large and I wake up sweating, convulsively flicking them off my body. In late october I dreamt of a strange woman with her back to me. Her skin was rough, like bark, and covered with snakes coiled in pairs, symmetrically forming cadaceus shapes. While her back, down to the base of the spine, was darkly pigmented, her remaining skin was pale. I felt a simultaneous attraction and revulsion.

by Ashley Rye

Joe Mason's response:

Yes, it is Pallas Athena, also known as Minerva to the Romans. She was the weaver among the Olympians, as Vulcan was the smith. The peasant girl, Arachne, offended Minerva by declaring that her own weaving was superior. The goddess challenged the girl to a weaving contest. They finished their work at the looms at the same moment, and Arachne's work equaled that of the goddess. Angered furiously, Minerva slit the web from top to bottom and beat the girl on the head with her shuttle. Arachne was furious, disgraced, and hanged herself. Minerva's heart was then touched, so she lifted the body from the noose and sprinkled it with a magic liquid. Arachne was transformed into a spider, and she retained her weaving skill.

This is, of course, how our word, "arachnophobia," fear of spiders, came to us.

My guess as to the woman in your dream is that it is Kali, the feminine energy involved in this cycle of time. The harlot of Revelation 17 has the same meaning, I do think. The bark and the snakes are suggestive of the Tree of Knowledge, which I believe refers to the infinite ideal potential in the dream reality. Eve, our small feminine/dreaming/intuitive/ right-brained self, "eats" the fruit first, then gives it to Adam, our male/rational/waking-state/left-brain self, which then brings the ideal into manifestation, depending on the interpretation.

In Taoist mythology, she is the half-serpent solvern over the fifth element, wood.

The "snakes coiled in pairs, symmetrically forming cadaceus shapes," is VERY interesting. This, of course, it the symbol of Hermes, Mercury to the Romans. It is still used by the medical profession as their symbol. There are some hints that the intertwined snakes may be related to Ida and Pengala, the "spine snakes" of the chakras, and also to the double-helix of DNA.

The snakes also remind me of the Gorgon, Medusa. Perseus, guided by Hermes, was the hero who killed her and cut off her head. Here is a quote from Hamilton's "Mythology, Timeless Tales of Gods and Heroes," pages 145-146:

"By great good fortune they were all asleep when Perseus found them (the Gorgons). In the mirror of the bright shield he could see them clearly, creatures with great wings and bodies covered with golden scales and hair a mass of twisting snakes. Athena was beside him now as well as Hermes. They told him which one was Medusa and that was important, for she alone of the three could be killed; the other two were immortal. Perseus on his winged sandals hovered above them, looking, however, only at the shield. Then he aimed a stroke down at Medusa's throat and Athena guided his hand. With a single sweep of his sword he cut through her neck and, his eyes still fixed on the shield with never a glance at her, he swooped low enough to seize the head. "

Edith quotes:

"So over the sea, rich-haired Danae's son, Perseus, on his winged sandals sped, Flying swift as thought. In a wallet of silver, A wonder to behold, He bore the head of the monster, While Hermes, the son of Maia, The messenger of Zeus, Kept ever at his side."

Maia, from whom our month of May derives, was one of the Seven Sisters of the Pleiades.

The idea I get about the symbolism of Kali, based on many dreams, and a study of myths and religions, is that symbolically, she is like a strict school teacher-mother. In our childhood time cycle in the lower three chakras, she enforces karmic law, and induces changes in us through stressful events. It is not a reward/punishment system, just a learning one, through experience.

According to Joseph Campbell, the serpent represents the ability to change, by the death/rebirth of shedding the old skin.

This may help explain your simultaneous attraction and revulsion of her.

At the end of the cycle, which seems near, Kali is killed off, and a new, positive cycle begins. I believe this is actually a transformation of Kali into her true position as Queen of Heaven, symbolised by the Woman With Child in Revelation 12. We will have advanced beyond the "11:11," 3 and 1/2 level, to the fourth-Heart chakra. The karmic or judgment stage will be completed, and karma will end, or become entirely positive. Abundance is the natural way of things, according to a message I received in a dream. We only hold it back by our childish ways.

You see, it is like being strict on your children as they grow up. A more friendly and loving relationship develops when the children are grown.



7 23-97. This occurred after we met on-line but before we met in person.

Dee777: Hi Sweetheart. What a night

JMason4557: good morning. How'd it go?

Dee777: I woke up saying, "We're never going to have another peaceful night are we? " It was incredible

JMason4557: What does it mean?

Dee777: what does fractal mean? I haven't written down the dream I just woke up from.

JMason4557: It is form the new science of Chaos theory. It's about repeating patterns across scales...the way many things are... It has important symbolism too. You should write it down now, so you don't forget anything.

Dee777: I wrote down the fractal part.

JMason4557: Good. There was a dream with it?

Dee777: Geez yes! What a night. let me start. I'll skip the first vision and go right to the dream. I heard a voice say, "I thought we were going to be alone," then I saw a fountain in a pool, then I saw the earth as a ball whoosh up the fountain to the top where it exploded in a zillion pieces. I heard the words "fractal images" and each piece of the earth came down and became a window casing with glass in it. Each window was going to be presented to me to look at separately.

I went into another dream where you and I were in a house/hospital sort of place. It was old and there was an operating room. I was sitting in a chair that was a half circle with a railing around it made out of wood and I was in a hallway. A young man was there I would say about 12 and he was asked to watch a light fixture to keep his eye on it so to speak. because it was sparking, the woman there was going to hand him a key in case something went wrong, because there was a large chest there...sort of like an ice chest.

But the young man had to go to the bathroom so bad, he couldn't stand still, so I took the key and watched the light fixture for him, a nurse came by and asked where the boy was and I explained the situation and she was very upset. She expected the young boy to do as he was told and not walk away, however, the light fixture began to SMOKE. All the other people in the place saw the sparking and smoking and began to walk outside quietly and deliberately trying not to fan the sparks into fire. I took my half round chair outside with me, and sat in the yard and you were standing by my shoulder, we watched as the house/hospital went up in flames, There was a black woman watching us as I was sitting in the chair. I said I felt "loopy" which to me meant exhausted or something like that, I was half laying down in the chair, and watching that black woman watching us. and I said, "we're never going to have another peaceful night are we?" You said, "You can feel loopy all you want, I'll be here,"

JMason4557: Oh Darling...it is all involved with my material. It is about the nature of creation and about the Great Change. ...more..the computer you are going inside is in my head, and in the spirit world of knowledge.

Dee777: WOW!

JMason4557: I wish I could explain it all now, but its too much. I will be telling you.

Dee777: ok. let me tell you my vision.

JMason4557: Yes, please.

Dee777: I was laying on the bed thinking about traveling to California for a vacation and driving up the coast, when a woman came and sat down on the bed with me, She appeared on my right side. She reached over to her right with her hand, and brought back a round crystal ball about an inch or more in diameter. It was sort of a crystal green. There was either a protrusion coming down from it or that was a shaft of light. She said, "What is this for? Self-protection? She flipped it over so the ball was still in her palm, but the protrusion/shaft of light went up through her fingers, She said, "This is the way you hold it to use it." As she faded from view, I felt a loud hum in my left ear and the blinds rattled,

JMason4557: Wow! What do you think it means?

Dee777: I don't know, but maybe I should look for a crystal ball like that.

JMason4557: Yes. Good idea. Can you tell me what the black woman in the dream looked like?

Dee777: Hmmm! I would say she was in her 30's or 40's. maybe about 5'5 of 5'6. Just a regular black person, normal weight .

JMason4557: Pretty? Do you remember her clothing?

Dee777: I don't recall anything special about her. No , she wasn't pretty...very plain I would say. Short knee length dress, dark colored. Her hair was short...I think with picinniny type braids or those braid they wear now...about 3 inches long I think .

JMason4557: I think she is the Mother Goddess in this time cycle, like Kali has been appearing as a black woman.

Dee777: She was sitting quite a distance away watching me. She didn't mind that I was feeling loopy either. What a dumb word. I've got the key to the blue chest .

JMason4557: In my writing about the Tree of Life, I used some quotes about the Dark Sterile Mother," and how it relates to the change, and the idea of Kether moving into Daath.

Dee777: what about the light fixture smoking and the house burning up? It was an old house...like built in the 20's or earlier. tall with an attic. It feels like we were going to rebuild the house.

JMason4557: I think it is about the earth change. The house is the earth...the physical reality. Each person's "house" will be burned by fire...but the new reality will replace it. It is a symbolism for the change.

Dee777: good

JMason4557: Yes, we are the "builders," co-creators. Yes...good.

Dee777: we were just watching it happen. There was no sad emotion with it. It was almost like it was inevitable.

JMason4557: Yes...it is wonderfully good. I am sending a fractal.

Dee777: good. I watched the people in the operating room walking out...they didn't want to fan the sparks into flames. There were two women there who put on pink jackets which had white sort of striping but the stripes weren't even in width..kind of wavy striping. They dressed identical to each other. They looked like twins.

JMason4557: That fits too.

Dee777: They moved slowly but deliberately ...slowly Does that make sense?

JMason4557: Yes.Please look at the fractal now. Mandelbrot Set Formation (jpg)

JMason4557: Then go here:

Dee777: I've got a painting on my web page that looks like that but it's got butterflies painted on it. It's gorgeous. I put it on both web sites.

Dee777: okay. so what exactly is fractal again?

JMason4557: The "Butterfly Effect" is part of fractal/chaos theory, and very symbolic...and about Transformation. I'm sending another picture.

JMason4557: Carlson's Fractal Gallery (3-D Looking)

Roger Hamstra's Silk Purse Graphics: Fractals

Computer & Fractal Art - Roger Hamstra

Dee777: I fell in love with it the instant I saw it.

JMason4557: Look at these later. The star?

Dee777: These are gorgeous The mandelbrot. They used a word in my dream that I didn't even know. Interesting.

JMason4557: There was an 8 foot circle out along a tram line in the formation. I had started to write about the symbolism of the Mandelbrot and Chaos theory 13 months before the formation appeared.

Dee777: who created the Mandelbrot in the first place, Honey?

JMason4557: The 8 foot circle in a computer-generated Mandelbrot is out along the "tip" or projection. In my speculations, that represented the planet earth. A coincidence had happened where a similar shape was formed by something dropped into water...it formed a similar pattern, with a single round drop of water up in the air..like the earth was in your dream.

Dee777: yes! that's it.

JMason4557: After the crop formation appeared, I remembered that I had made a printout of that area some years before. I found it...it was the picture I sent of the star. It is the Unity Star, and was associated with Horus and Bel Marduke, who were sons in trinities. It was also associated with Apollo. Another speculation is that it is associated with the worship of the scarab beetle. It is shaped like the body of the mandelbrot. It rolls a ball of mud around, and plants its seed therein, as the Creator rolls the earth around with the Cosmic Seed of Man. Hon, gotta go now.

Dee777: ok sweetie. have a wonderful day.

JMason4557: Benoit Mandelbrot discovered the pattern through using his intuition. The crop formation appeared near where he went to college, on August 11, 1991. The eclipse of 1999 will be on that day. Bye honey. XXX

Dee777: Bye. Love you! XXXX

JMason4557: I love you too. XXXX see ya tonight.

Dee777: ok! XXX

JMason4557: X bye


8-5-97 - Dream: I was on the computer in a chat or IM. The computer had a feature whereby you could highlight a word and the computer would do a search to bring up all the files for that subject. I highlighted KALI and KALI-YUGA.

NOTE: Later that day, a Korean Airlines plane crashed in Guam. It was KAL 801. Emotionally that day, I was a wreck, pacing the floor, not knowing what was wrong with me. Synchronicitly, that day I was also posting all my plane crash dreams and visions at PUFORI from 1991.

PUFORI is at http://www.pufori.org/dreams/dee_dreams/

On 8-7-91, I turned on my computer and saw the lead files on America On LIne were all about KAL 801 crash, how it happened from the survivors standpoint and the list of passenger file from ABC news.


11-7-97 - DREAM - I was at 20th St. school and I was working there. The people and the scene was more like the drafting room at A-C. It was time to go home and it was my job to turn out the lights when we went home. I went downstairs with some people and went out to the playground. There, someone gave me a piece of cardboard with toys on it. On the top row on the left was a series of soldiers facing towards the middle down on one knee each with a rifle pointed toward the center. On the right was a series of American Indians facing the center each one down on one knee with a bow and arrow aimed towards the center towards the soldiers. There was 10 or 12 of each.

There were several other things down the face of the card but the most outstanding one was a standing bear figure and next to it was written - Age of ____ (Iron). . I saw then that these figures were like molds, were hollow inside and hinged so that you could hold them under water so the mold filled with water, then you stood it in the freezer. When the figure was frozen you could take it out and you had a frozen bear figure. If it melted, you could make another one.

I looked up at the building and saw that there were still some lights on on the 4th floor and I had to go turn them off.

I went back into the building and met some people who were rehearsing for a TV show. The girl in the center spotlight looked like M.M. The show went on for a short time and it did't work out with the tall thin guy she was with. They turned off the spotlights and she turned towards me to leave and began to cry. She saw me and recognized me. We each put out our arms wide like on a crucifix - then went towards each other and hugged. I noticed at that point that I felt very masculine - not female. Another girl came over and we took her into a group hug and then a fourth girl was taken into the group hug. I left the hugging group at that point and went into another room where I was preparing material for a Sunday school class I would be teaching in the morning. I carried big packs of white paper from one place to another and put them on a washing machine and noticed that I had the key to a storage locker where something was stored. I noticed that I had seven receipts including one for some cakes. (See below)

My friend David heard about the bad rehearsal and went out and bought several cakes to make everyone feel better and I ran down the hall to get everyone back together to come to the Sunday school room. I didn't have too much success - everyone had scattered to go do other things.  


9-23-97 - Dream - I was managing a building. A light that was on the ground was removed and used elsewhere, but had not been replaced yet. I was cleaning up the ground. A very thin nasty woman came to visit our building. She was dressed all in black. She had an entourage of women with her. One was dressed in red, the rest were all in black.

She came in and complained about the missing light and I explained to her that the light was going to be brought back. She wanted to go upstairs to room 2218. I couldn't go up yet because I didn't have my shoes on. I quickly found my shoes which were white. I couldn't just slip them on, I had to strap them on.

So, she and her entourage went up the elevator which was on the right. I planned to take the one on the left. (When we got on the elevator, facing the front, she would have been on the left, and I would have been on the right.)

I got upstairs where the woman was at a swimming pool. The pool was covered over with trap doors on top. She was on the side near the far end with one trap door open and she had a man pouring in a powdered chemical called NCE out of a large green and white bag. When the chemical was poured into the water, it formed a gas which she was breathing to keep alive.

NOTE:  This woman may represent Kali for a number of reasons; the black attire, the nasty look, and the women accompanying her dressed all in black, except the one in red. The book Nicronomicon; the story is told of the evil goddess Erkaskil. The father and mother creators produced their son Marduke who battled the evil goddess. He defeated her by blowing an evil wind into her mouth which forced it open, and then fired in an arrow. This was compared by the author of the book to a scene in the film Jaws. The hero forced open the mouth of the shark with an 'air' tank and then fired a bullet exploding the tank and killing the evil water demon.  The harlot of Rev. 17 seems to represent Kali. She is seated upon 'many waters', Rev. 2: with whom the Kings of the earth have committed fornication, and with the one of which fornication, the dwellers on earth have become drunk. Rev. 17:15 - The waters that you saw, where the harlot is seated are 'people's, multitudes, and nations, and tongues.'


11-7-97 - DREAM - Someone on the computer IM'd me (Instant Message) to tell me I had to provide food for a Kali Yuga party.

11-7-97 - DREAM - I realized the standing bear (from a previous dream) stood for Kali Yuga. (Which is the Age of Iron)

NOTE: The four metals of the Hindu Chronology representing the 4 ages are the same as Nebuchadnezzar's dream of the frightening image in the book of Daniel. (Gold, silver, bronze, (Brass) and Iron)

(Daniel: 2:31-45)


2-15-98 - Dream of the End of the Age


4-10-98  The Spirit Flows 4/9/98

I saw father remove a large brass looking cap on a pipe that ran into the earth. I could hear water running inside the pipe. Then he removed something and the water flow increased into the earth.

Then he put the cap back on and started to tighten it with his very large wrench. I reached out and took both hands and turned the cap down for him so that he need not use the big wrench.

EOD>> (snip)


Hi Byron.  Great dream!

Water running to the earth could be an "Aquarius, Water Bearer," symbol. The Greeks used brass instead of bronze to represent one of the four "metal" ages. Others, such as the Hindu chronology used gold, silver, bronze and iron.

We are now in the Age of Iron, the Kali-Yuga. I think this corresponds to the dream of Nebuchadnezzar in the Book of Daniel, about the frightening image. It had a head of gold, chests and arms of silver, belly and thighs of bronze, legs of iron, and feet of part iron/part clay. Daniel interpreted them to be the ages.

I thought of this Nostradamus quatrain:

Century V-41

Born in the shadows and during a dark day,
He will be sovereign in realm and goodness:
He will cause his blood to revive the ancient urn,
Renewing the age of gold for that of brass.

I also thought of this part of my Hale-Bopp article:


Goro's comments:  This could be referring to the period around the year 1995. According to the Mayan calendar, the 1995 spring equinox initiates a time when ancient and hidden knowledge is to be reawakened.

The Maya understand it is the end of the "age of belief" and the start of "the age of knowledge: the Itza Age, The Age of Aquarius. It will be the "age of brass" because at the beginning of the age of Aquarius, or the "Golden Age", the world situation will be far from being a golden age.

Century II-46

After great trouble for humanity, a greater one is prepared
The Great Mover renews the ages:
Rain, blood, milk, famine, steel and plague,
In the heavens fire seen, a long spark running.


The Great Mover seems similar to myths about Mithras and Apollo, who were "pole gods." The root of the word Apollo means "pole." The mythology of Mithras around 128 B.C. were found in recent years to be related to the discovery of the precession of the equinoxes, caused by the pole of the earth wobbling like a top. The ancient number for one cycle is 25920 years. The solstices and equinoxes are caused to move backward through the 12 Zodiac signs, from which we figure the ages. The ancients felt that any force that could move the Heaves so, must be a powerful god.

The large brass pipe running into the earth, in your dream, reminds me of a kind of "pole."

Interesting too, golden pipes are mentioned in Zechariah 3, in the verses about the two olive trees, which "stand up" in Revelation 11:11. From those golden pipes comes oil from the olive, which fuels the light of the lamps.

Light upon Light,

Joe Mason


7-31-98 - DREAM - I was living out in the country. I planned to go to the store to buy food and got into the car and started it, but I sat in the back seat with my foot on the brake, waiting for to her people to go with me. A woman and her three daughters got in to go along but I was still sitting in the back seat. Nobody was sitting behind the wheel to drive. Besides that it was dark out; the sun hadn't come up yet, and I couldn't get the lights to come on. I pulled on the switch and turned and twisted and poked it back in over and over and over and over and the lights just wouldn't come on. Finally, I told the woman to put her foot on the brake and I would come around the front and see what was wrong. I went around the front and got down on my knees by the light switch and immediately saw the problem. There was a child-proof safety switch next to the light switch that had to be disengaged first. As soon as I disengaged the child safety switch, the light switch worked.

I got in the car and drove a few miles to the store. I don't remember driving though and I don't remember her driving there either. when we got to the store there was another problem with the car and when I got out to see what was wrong with the car, I was again sitting in the back seat on the right. I opened the car door and there was a man's body laying there and I had to stop on top of him in order to walk around the car and we had parked right next to a garbage heap and the stench of garbage was awful.

The man's body was clothed all in white and I felt guilty walking on him, but there was no other way to get out of the car. He was laying in the garbage heap. He was face down, so there was no way for me to identify him either and he didn't wake up when I stepped on him either.

I went into the store and before I could do anything, my car disappeared. The woman and the girls were gone and so was my car.

I thought about reporting it stolen, when I saw the car again, but the three girls had taken it, had it painted purple and painted huge red, yellow, blue, and white fire stripes on the sides and were roaring up and down the aisle in the parking lot with it.

Then I remembered the child safety switch. I engaged it when I got out of the car and nobody knew it was there but me. While the girls were chasing around in my car, a whole stream of people went by with push brooms and trash bags and cleaned up the street. It was like a parade as they went by. After they passed, then a circus-like parade with music and dancing and clowns.

When they were done, then another parade of people went by with push brooms and trash bags and cleaned the streets again.

All these people earned passes to go through a little door and had to duck down to go through a tunnel. They were all smiling when they went through so I knew they were happy about whatever was on the other side of the door. There was a ticket-taker standing by the door and I didn't have a ticket so I couldn't go see what was on the other side.

I wished I had had a camera to take a picture so I could show people how that series of parades happened when I told others about it because it seemed like such a wonderful thing for people to clean the street, have a fun circus-like parade and then clean the street again.

There was a man there who looked like T.J. standing nearby and he had a polaroid camera, but it was too late. All the people from the parades had gone through the little door and nobody was now going into the tunnel. Nobody would believe what I had just seen.

At that point, it seemed like I was at work and someone handed me a stack of hand-written love letters from the President of the company to various employees. I didn't make any attempt to read these letter which were on pink paper and signed, "Love, Bob!" but I thought it best to sort them by name to make delivering them easier.

I didn't work in the department where these letters went so I didn't know any of the people, but I figured when I walked down the hall and asked for the people by name, someone would point them out to me.

A man came into the office where I was sorting out these letters and asked if he could borrow my black scissors. I didn't know his friends and I suspected they would take my scissors outside and do something bad with them, so I said, "No!" I told him to get the scissors from his own department where the drafting was done. He said he didn't want his boss to know he was using the scissors. But I stood firm on my answer. "No!"

The other man was a writer and was going to write a novel. He didn't know what to write about.

I remembered that when I worked at Allis Chalmers it was called "A Peyton Place" and I indicated these love letters from the President to his employees and this would really be something worth writing about.

NOTE: 8-2-98 - Several of Joe's friends were arguing about some information they were trying to figure out. Joe said that the Goddess Kali divides people with scissors.


2-6-04 - DREAM - I was in a small town somewhere. It had snowed and the kids were playing outside, having fun. Then they all came in and took off their wet mittens.

I threw all the mittens into the dryer so they could go back outside and play again as soon as they dried.

Then one of the teen boys said hew as driving into town and I said I would rid with him.

It was several miles into town and the road was straight and covered with sand as the town trucks had spread sand on the road after the snow.

Then the kid took his hands off the wheel to do something and told ME to steer. Since the road was straight, it wasn't too hard to stay on the road. But we were going downhill faster and faster.

I asked him how fast we were going and he said he didn't know. He had his heel pressed hard onto the pedal, so I knew we were going as fast as the car could go. Finally the front wheels came off the road and we were virtually flying.  I knew there was no stopping until we hit something. 

The kid grabbed a hold of the dashboard which came loose like a brown shield and we held the dashboard over our faces so the breaking windshield wouldn't cut us.

As we came into town, I heard a couple thump-thumps and I knew we had hit someone.

Finally the car scraped along a wall and came to a stop without crashing.

I got out of the car and some people came running up to the car yelling, "You killed her, you killed her."

I looked over at the sidewalk and there was a black woman laying there dead with her legs and arms askew so she look like the letter 'K'. 

(It was probably Kali)

I was cold outside, so I went into the little restaurant there to keep warm to wait foro the cops to arrest us and take us to jail. 

But I woke up instead.