Another woman was with them and she was pregnant and in labor by the end of the dream.

The husband - father- of the seven infants was in the military and a specialist in mathematical dimensions.  (See below for explanation)

I got an application for him to fill out even though I didn't think the main office would approve of seven children plus they had three older and larger children than the seven also.  Those children were standing together at the far end of the room which was the model apartment in the building. I also didn't know what his income was.

I left him alone with this wife and the other woman to fill out the paperwork and went into the main office which was in the next room.

We couldn't hear a sound from the room despite all the children in there. My instinct to rent to them despite the number of children was really high.  Those children were so adorable and happy and quiet.

I gave him plenty of time to do the paperwork and all the details would need to be evaluated by my boss.

I walked into the room and all the infants were in high chairs being fed and the other woman was laying on the sofa and in labor on the far end of the room, and from the looks of it, she was going to deliver soon.

NOTE:  I didn't quite know what this dream was about in the beginning, but two separate confirmations later in synchronicity happening the same day, named the event "The Birth of a New Age".  It immediately became apparent that the seven infants born all at the same time were the planets in our solar system.  But note, the dream shows three older children/planets on the far side of the room which are siblings to the seven, and we should look for them to appear from time to time.  Nibiru and probably Planet X  and another one - Planet Y?  Planet X and Planet Y could be named by science and then we would know their names.
 

SACRED GEOMETRY

Anyone who has studied the science of fractals understands how all creation has been geometrized with resonant frequencies and mathematical patterns that repeat themselves like the Golden Ratio in sea shells and leaf patterns. This principle of geometrized harmonics is behind the GENESIS EFFECT as is given dramatic context in the STAR TREK movie in which a dead planet is regenerated with a fractal-geometrized "terra forming" process. Fact is that there are universal laws of order that govern all energy field manifestations, and ancient Hermetic wisdom teaches that "In the beginning, God geometrized". Indeed, "Geometrically Ordered Divinity" (G.O.D.) is a good acronym for divine order.  Likewise can the Higher Power of G.O.D. Consciousness chain-react into the higher consciousness of a planetary people - the "Genesis Effect"  How this process works becomes self evident as the Geometry Of Divine order is better understood as the Nature of LOVE and the following "maps of consciousness".

EUCLIDEAN MATHEMATICS - FREDDY SILVA

Some of the most brilliant minds on the planet have studied crop circle designs and have studied the progression of crop circles from simple geometric forms in the 70's to recent ones coded with sophisticated 5th dimensional Euclidean mathematics. As with the ancient Hindu Sri Yantra Mandala that is the actual geometric waveform of the sound of "OM" when put through an oscilloscope (wave form generator), so has it been discovered that crop circle designs are a coded version of the root language BEHIND the ancient Sanskrit which is considered the source of modern languages. D.W. (whom google has forbidden us to mention) has shown the original wave form fractal patterns that are the source of all the original characters of the alphabet and numerology. Dr. Len Horowitz (www.tetrahedron.org) has further corroborated the secret mathematical code (Pythagorean skein) within this original alphabet as relates to the harmonic frequencies for healing with light and sound. And Edgar Cayce provided the "code to the codes" with a series of readings on the universal language within three basic geometric forms behind all the numerological and astrological glyphs.

SACRED GEOMETRY DATABASE

CROP CIRCLES 101

http://www.greatdreams.com/crpcirc.htm

Modern physics has confirmed that all energy fields within fields are a combination of the integration of these three geometrized energies -- round magnetic energy fields (circular)...right-dynamic energy fields (rectilinear), and radiant energy fields (trines) -- as graphically represented at  www.heartcom.org/LOVEmaps/love73.htm  The order of the holographic universe is out-pictured through the interaction of these 3-fold energies as corresponds to the three dimensions of consciousness in the "Cosmic Cube": Right-brain "non-linear" consciousness (spherical/spiritual at-one-ment)... Left-brain "linear" consciousness (compartmentalized divisions)... Left-Right brain "full spectrum" consciousness... and upper-to-lower brain consciousness of either and intutive proactive or reptilian reactive nature. These three-fold universal law/language coordinates within the circle, square and triangle are the quintessential components to the "capstone", the 4th dimension of G.O.D. Vision in the geometric thoughtform of the pyramid (overview plan) with the cross-referencing of the 4 corners, forming 4 triangles and "squaring of the circle" with the whole point being the spherical "capstone" synergy of all 4 dimensions of cognition as corresponds to the 4 Jungian archetypes within all ancient and modern maps of consciousness.

ASTROLOGIC BIOENERGETICS

Quantum physics has taken science to the realms of understanding that we live in a sea of energy and are ourselves energy beings of swirling electrons and atom clusters. It's amazing to consider, yet true, that the spaces between atoms in our bodies are analogous to the spaces between planets in our solar system... and that the bioenergetic laws of G.O.D. governing the microcosmic universe within our own bodies is the same universal law/language governing the macrocosmic universe "out there". The ancient Oriental teaching on this order of the universe (kingdom of heaven) within us is that the whole evolution of mankind from a single cell is repeated in the creation of each of us in the bionergetic forcefield of the Mother's womb. That forcefield is actually created via subtle bioenergetic harmonics behind the cell divisions from a single fertilized egg into 2, 4, 16, 32, 64 etc. parts... with the 12 lower vertebrae in the mother's back acting as 12 step-down resonators for the 12 star constellations around our planetary system. In other words, we are each created in the image and likeness of G.O.D. as the Geometry Of Divine order WITHIN US... that sets our biological "clocks" in synch with universal law and order... which begins "ticking" with our first "fire breath" at birth. And just as we are bound by the genetic predisposition of our bodies, so are we bound by the bionergetic predisposition of the astrologic to our psychology. And it's the logic of the logos (law) of G.O.D. that ordains how the correct use of free-will, in alignment with the will of G.O.D. can over-ride what is fore-ordained in our bio-energetic blueprints. Divine destiny is indeed a function of divine law-in-action.

LANGUAGE OF LIGHT

Divine laws of the holographic universe can be clearly seen in the photomechanical process (photography) as relates to the perceptual process. The way the brain processes "light" as information is closely analogous to the process behind image making and "mind control" in general. From black and white photography for "pattern recognition" to color photography for the subtle colorations of consciousness with different frequencies of light, this LANGUAGE OF LIGHT will become the universal language of choice for all world Netizens who believe in raising consciousness with higher standards for enlightened learning of the laws and language of consciousness. Whereas symbol-based languages like English are twice removed from the truth (symbol "words" made up of symbol "characters"), we will soon see desk-top video eclipse desk-top publishing as the medium of choice. A global electronic upgrade of the U.S. Constitutions horse-and-buggy representation system will take the Bill of Rights to the next level that the Founding Fathers would require, considering the instant/everywhere Internet technology. The key to this ascendency of global/local consciousness, global/local communications, and global/local community is simply the universal LANGUAGE OF LIGHT as framed by the Laws of G.O.D. and centered in the frequency of compassion; the mind of G.O.D. and heart of LOVE at the interactive interface for global/local TeLeComm (TLC-centric).

EXCERPTED FROM: http://www.heartcom.org/genesis.htm

The Servers of Light

http://www.thenewcall.org/new_kingdom.htm

http://www.thenewcall.org/new_kingdom_1.htm

The constellation Virgo. Virgo is referred to as "the maiden" or "the virgin" depending on who's doing the referring.

Virgo is a large constellation. In fact, it is the 2nd largest constellation. Virgo is located southeast of Leo... and south of Coma Berenices... and Bootes. Our main focus is the area between Denebola an Vindemiatrix... This area is home to the Virgo Cluster of Galaxies :)

THE VIRGO GALAXIES

From Joe Mason on the page:  DREAMS ON SKY EVENTS

The symbolic meaning of two Suns becomes clear in that our Venus aspect will grow to match the Sun aspect. This is symbolized in a number of other ways in the crop formations, and in dreams. In the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas, Jesus said in saying 22, that one must make the male and female into a single one, in order to enter the Father's domain. The most clear crop pattern that had this symbolism had the female sign of Venus joined together with the male sign of Mars.

The statement, "as a bright white disk as if through light cloud," is VERY significant. There was a dream reported in The Dream Network Journal last year (95), that had a cloud appear in the doorway. The dreamer had just picked up a baby girl outside the door, who had a sash saying, "Holy Spirit."

In Kabalistic terms, the Cloud is called The Shekinah, and indicates The Divine Presence. (such as the Cloud that appeared to Moses). The following is quoted from "The Book Of Knowledge:The Keys Of Enoch," pages V and VI:

"Beyond the circuitries of our body and mind, we enter the higher dimensions of thought- form creativity and operate as One with the Eternal Mind of the I AM. For this reason, the Keys are to be experienced simultaneously on all seven levels of form and Divine Form - from the subatomic, molecular, genetic, mathematical, musical, paraphysical and the superluminal aspects of the revealing nature of the Shekinah. The Shekinah (Divine) Presence, the feminine aspects of the Godhead, exists in all creative orderings of all dimensions, and is the Power through which we are respatialized to partake of the 'virgin birth' of our embyro godself. This is the 'Age of the Holy Spirit' - where the Bride and Creator become one, creating a new peoplehood of trinitized powers who are the 'bearers' of the higher Christed seed unfolding life anew by virtue of this greater union that is without dualistic separation."

This material came through Dr. James J. Hurtak, when he was visited in 1973 by the Light Being, Enoch.

You can also find information about the Shekinah from a Mormon perspective at: http://www.pe.net/~minnie/shechinah.html

In my view, the Shekinah is the Woman With Child in Revelation 12, wearing a crown of 12 stars, and clothed by the sun, with the moon under her feet. Other Goddess Mother figures may also represent Her, such as, The Divine Sophia, Isis, Ishtar, Sakti, and Coatlicue (Serpent Skirt-Mother Earth) in the Aztec myth, who is impregnated by feathers from Heaven.

And, the image called, "Our Lady of Guadalupe," that appeared on the cloak of an Aztec Indian in 1531, during an apparation of the Virgin Mary, seems to be one and the same. It is the only depiction of the Virgin, showing her pregnant, and she has a sunburst around her, with a crescent moon under her feet.

by Joe Mason

10 heads, 10 horns and seven crowns -  See: http://www.greatdreams.com/hydra.htm

NIBIRU
http://www.greatdreams.com/nibiru.htm

PLANET X

PLANET Y?

Dimensions

From Wikipedia From left to right, the square has two dimensions, the cube has three and the tesseract has four.

In mathematics the dimension of a space is roughly defined as the mimimum number of coordinates needed to specify every point within it^[1][2]. Dimensions can be thought of as the axes in a Cartesian coordinate system, which in a three-dimensional system run left-right, up-down and forward-backward. A set of three co-ordinates on these axes, or any other three-dimensional coordinate system, specifies the position of a particular point in space^[3]. In the physical world, according to the theory of relativity the fourth dimension is time, which runs before-after. An event’s position in space and time is therefore specified if four co-ordinates are given.

On surfaces such as a plane or the surface of a sphere, a point can be specified using just two numbers and so this space is said to be two-dimensional. Similarly a line is one-dimensional because only one co-ordinate is needed, whereas a point has no dimensions. In mathematics, spaces with more than three dimensions are used to describe other manifolds. In these n-dimensional spaces a point is located by n co-ordinates (x₁, x₂, … x_n). Some theories, such as those used in fractal geometry, make use of non-integer and negative dimensions.

Another meaning of the term "dimension" in physics relates to the nature of a measurable quantity. In general, physical measurements that must be expressed in units of measurement, and quantities obtained by such measurements are dimensionful. An example of a dimension is length, abbreviated L, which is the dimension for measurements expressed in units of length, be they meters, nautical miles, or lightyears. Another example is time, abbreviated T, whether the measurement is expressed in seconds or in hours. Speed, which is the distance (length) travelled in a certain amount of time, is a dimensionful quantity that has the dimension LT ⁻¹ (meaning L/T). Acceleration, the change in speed per time unit, has dimension LT ⁻².

In mathematics

In mathematics, no definition of dimension adequately captures the concept in all situations where we would like to make use of it. Consequently, mathematicians have devised numerous definitions of dimension for different types of spaces. All, however, are ultimately based on the concept of the dimension of Euclidean n-space E ⁿ. The point E ⁰ is 0-dimensional. The line E ¹ is 1-dimensional. The plane E ² is 2-dimensional. In general, E ⁿ is n-dimensional.

A tesseract is an example of a four-dimensional object. Whereas outside of mathematics the use of the term "dimension" is as in: "A tesseract has four dimensions," mathematicians usually express this as: "The tesseract has dimension 4," or: "The dimension of the tesseract is 4."

Historically, the notion of higher dimensions in mathematics was introduced by Bernhard Riemann, in his 1854 Habilitationsschrift, where he considered a point to be any n numbers , abstractly, without any geometric picture needed nor implied.

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There are 10 mathematical dimensions in M-Theory, and 11 mathematical dimensions in Super Gravity Theory. The math in M-Theory is related to the math in Super Gravity Theory allowing them to be interchangeable. This does not mean the math is EXACTLY the same, just close enough to make it be able to interact or interchange with both theories. They are two separate theories, sharing mathematics closely enough to be considered interchangeable.

First thought: If the math in both theories is interchangeable then there is a shared interaction between the two theories. I mean, this could be evidence both theories share the same brane. Right?

Second thought: If there are only 10 dimensions in M-Theory, while there are 11 dimensions in Super Gravity Theory, then would this not be an indication gravity is separate or not a part of the 10 dimensions? I mean, would this be evidence gravity is larger than a brane, perhaps reaching or connecting (for lack of a better word) many branes or the fabric of space?

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In the Pentagon of Power: The Myth of the Machine [2 vol., 1967-70], architect, historian, and critic Lewis Mumford (1895-1990) coined the expression "the sin of Galileo" to refer to the manner in which the world had become merely an abstract mathematical object through Galileo's application of mathematics to physics. To Mumford this change was dehumanizing and ultimately productive of the alienation of modern life. As a "sin," of course, this kind of thing had nothing to do with Galileo's problems with the Church.

Mumford's idea about the alienation of modern life is really a dangerous nostalgia for mediaeval society. The meaning of life may have been clearer in past centuries than now, but it went along with pervasive poverty and an authoritarian political and religious hierarchy. The "alienation" of modern life follows largely from the wealth, leisure, and autonomy that technology and a consumer economy make possible. People are left to figure out or decide on the meaning of life for themselves. Those with the most leisure -- intellectuals and teenagers -- suffer from such alienation the most. The disapproval of intellectuals for what most people enjoy -- television, sports, drinking, smoking, sex, and violence -- is the same immemorial moralism of mandarins, priests, and aristocrats that always disapproved of vulgar, i.e. popular, pleasures, the same yearning for the day that political authority, namely them, can once again govern meaning and morality in life for everyone.

The sense that we are alienated from nature is also a dangerous nostalgia: No people absolutely vulnerable to famine, disease, insects, wild animals, nomadic invasions, etc. are going to complain much about conditions that limit or erase the danger of such things. Only those who have forgotten how hard and merciless life used to be are going to feel "alienated" by the culture that protects them from those things. For them, outlawing DDT and forbidding the draining of "wetlands" are important steps in protecting nature, whether or not people begin to die again around the world because of the malaria that is spread by mosquitoes who breed in the "wetland" swamps and who can no longer be effectively killed once produced. Those who live in comfort in Europe or the United States don't have to worry about people in Sri Lanka dying of malaria, though there now actually are places in Europe and the United States that feel some of these effects -- just not at major universities or newspapers yet.

Nevertheless, there is an important sense in which we can apply the idea of the "sin of Galileo": Galileo represents an important shift in how mathematics is seen. With him, and with even more peculiar characters like Johannes Kepler and Isaac Newton, the Platonic-Pythagorean notion that mathematics reveals the inner structure of reality returns.

Mediaeval understanding had mostly followed Aristotle, seeing mathematics as no more than an device for calculation, something made up by us that had no essential connection to reality. Thus, where Plato had seen the four elements as consisting, atom-like, of four of the five Platonic solids, tetrahedrons for fire, octahedrons for air, icosahedrons for water, and cubes for earth, Aristotle ignored this completely and saw the four elements in Presocratic terms as distinguished by two sets of opposites -- hot and dry for fire, cold and wet for water, hot and wet for air, and cold and dry for earth. Both Plato and Aristotle were, of course, wrong; but Plato was not far off the mark: The Platonic solids do occur with the packing of atoms in crystals. Common table salt, for instance, the mineral Halite (NaCl), occurs in cubic crystals. Aristotle's opposites, on the other hand, have no modern form, unless we want to reach for the analogy of the presence or absence of sub-atomic properties like strangeness, charm, etc., which nevertheless have nothing to do with hot and cold or wet and dry.

Both Plato and Pythagoras thought that mathematics would reveal the inner nature of things. With Copernicus, Galileo, and Newton, this expectation seemed to be born out, although, curiously, modern philosophers of mathematics tend to prefer the idea, again, that we have made it all up ourselves. "God made the integers, all the rest is the work of man," is a very famous and often quoted statement by Leopold Kronecker (1823-1891). Great scientists themselves, from Einstein to Hawking, still think of mathematics as revealing the Thoughts of God. From Kronecker's statement we can conclude that he was not interested in the Thoughts of God; and, perhaps not surprisingly, he does not seem to have substantively advanced physics himself.

The Platonic-Pythagorean-Galilean view of mathematics, however, is clearly limited. The "sin" of Galileo in a new sense must be the belief that because we have a mathematically successful theory, this means that we understand what is going on. This is clearly not true. Newton's theory of gravity was one of the most successful theories of all time. It was the paradigmatic mathematical theory of nature. But even at the beginning there were unanswered questions about it, especially in that it postulated action at a distance -- that two bodies would affect each other gravitationally even without being in contact and without anything whatsoever mediating that contact. Gravity was something that was nothing in itself that nevertheless exerted a force invisibly across a complete Void. The mystery of this was highlighted by Newton's own belief that it was the Will of God. This paradox and mystery, intense at first, slowly lost its power as the success of the theory silenced opposition.

Newtonian mechanics did not fall because of philosophical objections to action at a distance; but it fell to theories that, serendipitously, actually did not postulate action at a distance. These were, at first, Einstein's general relativity, in which the curvature of space-time eliminated the need for "forces" altogether, and then quantum mechanics, which postulated an exchange of virtual particles to mediate forces. These alternate explanations, between Einstein and quantum mechanics, now accentuate the circumstance that successful mathematical theories do not enable us to understand reality. Since Einstein's theory works for gravity, and quantum mechanics works for the other forces of nature, one might perhaps be tempted to say that gravity involves a curvature of space-time and the other forces involve an exchange of virtual particles. But this is not what physicists have expected: It is going to be one or the other. More recently, "super-symmetry" theories have extended Einstein's approach to the other forces, with the addition of ten extra dimensions of space to account for them. The mathematical, if not the observational, success of these theories have animated physics in the last couple decades; but the strangeness of the whole business has come full circle with the conclusion of some that the extra dimensions are not "really" there but simply represent abstract mathematical dimensions that do not need to exist in the world. This would seem to leave things even more unexplained than before: Einstein's geometry of reality becomes, once again, a calculating device.

Thus, indeed, a successful mathematical theory does not enable us to understand what is going on in reality. Multiple aspects of quantum mechanics reinforce this impression, since, as people say, no one understands quantum mechanics, but you get used to it. Why this could happen is explained by Popper's view of scientific method: Theories are simply sufficient, not necessary, to observations. That is because theories are only falsified, never verified. Thus, different theories, in principle, could explain the same phenomena; or, a theory could mathematically predict the phenomena, without otherwise making any sense. This seems to be the case with quantum mechanics.

Refusing commit the "sin of Galileo" thus means the realization that scientific theories have both mathematical and conceptual sides to them. A theory may be mathematically strong but conceptually weak, or vice versa. It is widely acknowledged that Einstein's Relativity is conceptually lucid and compelling, while quantum mechanics is mathematically exemplary while conceptually incoherent. It is revealing that, despite this, quantum mechanics for a long time was expected to replace Einstein. Great physicists like Richard Feynman positively reveled in the conceptual incomprehensibility of quantum mechanics. Now the shoe seems to be on the other foot, as super-symmetry extensions of Einstein's theory apparently embrace the other forces of nature as quantum mechanics never could gravity -- despite the people who don't seem to think it is important to posit the real dimensions required by these extensions.

Recognizing the "sin of Galileo" must put scientists, and their sympathizers in philosophy, in the uncomfortable position of admitting that "philosophical objections" are not always absurd vapors to be dismissed but can often be significant warnings about the deficiencies of a scientific theory. The objections themselves, indeed, will not always be cogent and will rarely produce the answer; but, like the canary in the mine, they are a significant warning that something is not quite right. Nor is it always philosophers voicing the objections. Albert Einstein himself was intensely unhappy with the direction quantum mechanics took with Werner Heisenberg and Niels Bohr. Either Einstein himself must be dismissed as an old fool, which he was for many years, or it must be recognized that philosophical objections are often germane. Indeed, a compelling vindication of Einstein's doubts is still not complete, though thankfully Roger Penrose's The Emperor's New Mind goes a very long way to completing it.

It is perhaps too much to expect that mathematicians and philosophers will ever collaborate in the way that composers and librettists do; but this is what, over time, will and must in effect happen. The major difficulty is with the philosophers: They tend either to be so enamored of their own theories, like the Hegelians, that they don't even notice real science, or they are so awe struck and humbled by science, like the Logical Positivists, that they cannot summon up the audacity to actually criticize it. The middle ground of philosophers like Kant, Nelson, and Popper, who mostly understand science rather well but retain the faculty of criticism, is quite rare. Schopenhauer demonstrates the difficulty of hitting the mean, since he has rather interesting things to say about the laws of nature but then makes extremely foolish statements about the wave theory of light. Preferring Goethe's theory of light to Newton's, Schopenhauer misses the point of the new physics of Thomas Young and Michael Faraday. Loving the pure philosophical theory better than the good science, Schopenhauer could not have anticipated that science would ultimately return to his beloved qualitates occultae in the form of the strangeness, charm, top, bottom, leptonic charge, baryon number, etc. now found in particle physics.

Thus, recognizing the sin of Galileo does not provide us with a method for distinguishing the true from the false, but only with a caution, like Popperian philosophy of science in general, for how we regard the results of science or its relation to philosophy. This is a real enough caution, however, which must rule out many commonly expressed attitudes, especially those that disparage the independence or usefulness of philosophical knowledge, or those which are eager to dismiss science as damned with some kind of political bias -- but that is another story.

See more at:  http://www.friesian.com/science.htm

 

Dream by Jan Ingersoll
With Interpretation by Joe Mason
 

11-29-97

In the mid '80s I dreamed one of my strongest teaching dreams. I even drew pictures. It was very clear & meaningful to me.

I was walking on a very large, green grassy plateau. There was a pretty little girl with me. I was taking care of her for someone. As we walked over a long distance, all alone on this green plain, we saw a small wooden shack sitting alone out there. ( It looked like an 'outhouse')..I  said to the girl" ,let's see what that is".

As we walked up to this shack, we saw a large sign on it that said "TICKETS". There was a man inside. I asked what he was selling. He said '"MOVIE TICKETS".."DO YOU WANT TO BUY TICKETS?" I thought about it & said "NO. I think we'll just go take a look. Where is the movie?" He said, "just over that hill."

I took the girl by the hand & we walked on. We came to a very LARGE PIT or deep round hole in the ground. It was surrounded by a small fence on the rim. There was a very large CINEMASCOPE MOVIE SCREEN inside the pit wall. It covered over half of the pit. There was a COLOR movie playing. I said to the girl, "lets sit here on the RIM for awhile & see what is happening." I held her, as our legs dangled over the edge. We looked down to the rocky pit floor.

The pit was full of people ..men, women & children. They were all facing the screen, intently intrigued by the pictures & story. Many of them were laying on their stomachs to watch. Some of the children were busily playing in the rocks & puddles of water in the bottom. No one looked around or up. I could see all around & down.. observing, but not involving in the movie.

As I watched, SUDDENLY THE MOVIE SCREEN WENT BLANK (in the middle of the movie). Simultaneously to this event, I saw a HUGE BLACK HOLE OPEN in the side of the pit. A big rush of WATER was beginning to pour into the pit.

I was transfixed.. as I saw there was NO EXITS in the pit. The people sat up startled when the movie quit. They were mulling around in confusion & running through little streams & puddles on the floor. They tried to gather the children & still NO ONE PAID ATTENTION to the HUGE WATERFALL coming at them, until it was too late. Many drowned in the pit. A FEW good SWIMMERS FLOATED to the TOP RIM ..going WITH THE FLOW..

I took the little girl by the hand and we turned back across the green plateau. The SHOW WAS OVER...

I had no strong feelings in this dream. I felt wonderment & puzzlement.. Why couldn't they just look around & see the screen, with just a projected picture? All they had to do was 'turn around'. They were too involved to see that the pictures weren't real.. The huge hole & water were. They also got themselves into a 'hole that they couldn't get out of'..by stairsteps, etc. It happened so fast they had nothing to do but 'sink or swim'. The strugglers & stragglers didn't make it in those forms. The 'swimmers' got out fast & easily. They didn't need the steps!

From Jan Ingersol bji@webtv.net

Date: 97-11-29 23:59:02 EST

Dream Interpretation by Joe Mason

Our reality seems to be portrayed sometimes as being like a stage play or film. One woman was told in a dream, "Yes! The world is like a stage play, but a VERY important one!" It seems to be a very old idea. I read that Plato said something like this - reality is like watching shadows on a curtain. You have to watch very closely to figure out what is going on behind the curtain. It seems similar to the Eastern teaching that we are in the land of Maya, illusion.

I made a post on the Pufori Dreamer's Board that had some of it, titled, "Dreams at the Dawning and Phantom of the Opera." I'm pasting that part of the posting at the end of this interpretation.

There are many myths about the underworld, like the Greek Persephone. Another is about the 12th labor of Hercules, where he had to kill the three-headed dog that guarded the gate of Hades. The dog would let anyone in, but would let no one out. Some myths, like the Babylonian one about Ishtar, have seven steps down to the Underworld.

In "Isis Unveiled," vol. 2, by H. P. Blavatsky, two ancient depictions are shown that are almost the same. One is from India, and the other is Cabalistic. A triangle is at the top, labeled "AUM" in one depiction. It has a Father Ray and Mother Ray. Below this is a circle with a Star of David type diagram. Below that is a circle, labeled "World of Maya, or illusion" in one depiction, and "Hell, the Objective World called Earth." .

Prior to see the diagrams, I had the feeling that underground or "Hell" could be saying something about the earth reality. Your dream is not like Hell, but it has a similarity.

In the Hopi creation myth, three chambers are shown underground. The Creator first put insects in a chamber and told them to figure out the meaning of life. They couldn't do it, so Spider Grandmother came and helped them to climb to the second chamber, where they became animals. Same thing, and they went to the third chamber and became humans. Finally, Spider Grandmother came again, this time assisted by birds, and the people reached the surface and sunlight. Then Spider Grandmother taught them how to weave.

Buying tickets to the movie is also interesting. About seven years ago there was a dream posted to a network called, "Queen Diana Dream." In the dream she went to a Diana Ross concert. She went back stage and got a ticket or pass from a man at a desk. She went through a door, down a hallway, and into another room. There was a small door in the room. She went through, and was on a slide going down. Lights shined on and through her, examining her. "No shit is allowed down here" she realized. She saw others sliding down on slides. Then, she was in a boat with Queen Diana, surrounded by her loyal subjects.

As you can see, there are quite a few similarities to your dream. Even the "shit" (pardon my French!) may compare to the ticket building looking like an outhouse. This is an important type of symbolism to me, which appears often in various forms. I think it can be a play on the "food-for-thought" symbolism. These thoughts/beliefs have been consumed and digested, and all the nutrients removed. It is time to dump them.

The meaning of the ticket or pass in the Diana dream seems to be a little different than in you dream. She took the ticket and went underground. You refused the ticket, but watched safely from above. I would think that taking the ticket shows that we choose to come to the land of Maya, and are not forced to do so. In one of my theories about the Bible, this is expressed in Daniel 9:27, where a covenant is made with many for one week, and for half of the week . . . something negative happens. The "covenant" is like a contract or agreement, or like taking a ticket.

In the theory, this refers to the seven chakras, and the critical midpoint of 3 and 1/2. It is the point between the lower three chakras and the Heart chakra. I spoke of it in this article:

http://www.greatdreams.com/1111.htm

Notice too, that the Hopi myth has three chambers underground before the fourth step to the surface.

Diana is the Roman Artemis. She is the moon goddess and twin of Apollo. She is associated with a triple goddess symbolism, one of which is Hecate, who is of "Hell." I then remembered that Diana Ross was one of the three singers of "The Supremes."

I thought of it again recently when Princess Diana was killed in the underground pass. They say it was once a Pagan place of worship to the goddess Diana. And I loved it when they started calling her "The Queen of Hearts."

The water pouring into the pit seems to connect with other dreams, for example, my friend, Jeff, dreamed of riding on a bicycle up a hill outside the water treatment plant where we work. His wife came running with a telephone in her hand, saying he had an important call from the lady engineer. He couldn't hear the lady engineer very well, but knew she was telling him not to open the big valve yet that lets the purified water into the city.

I just remembered that the woman who had the Diana dream reported another one about the same time. In that dream, she saw a house in a barren valley. There was a pole next to it that showed high-water markers. She could see that it flooded every once in a while. She said something about it representing her stressful state of mind at the time, and that a flood was coming on.

Some dreams, like yours, has more of a Noah/Pisces type of flooding. Others, like Jeff's, has more of an Aquarius-like Water Bearer kind. In any case, my guess is that it is about the change to a new age.

I like the part about the people not paying attention to the water coming, and thinking the film was "real." It fits the situation I see today soooo well. So few are paying attention to dreams or much else other than the mundane-life things. So many think that is all there is to life, that there is no spiritual thing going on. This fits with a verse in Revelation, the one about "You have the name of being alive, but you are dead. Awake and save what is on the point of death." It goes on to say that some have not stained their garments, and will walk in white. (Jeff had a dream where his white pants got stained because of a backed-up urnal). Hades is the Land of the Dead in the Greek myths, yet the people are still animated, so they are not "dead" in the extinct sense.

Your dream seems to hint that the Great Change will happen very abruptly. I find this often, but I'm not sure if it will really happen "in the blinking of an eye," or "in one night," as Nostradamus said. But, I do have the feeling that it will happen a lot quicker than most people think.

The idea of people being caught by surprise and running about chaotically or in panic, has appeared in a lot of dreams. I think it's in the Bible too, about coming like a thief in the night.

Drowning, I think, can be like a spiritual baptism. The person is "re-born" afterwards. The few good swimmers seem to be those who are familiar with the spirit/unconscious/dreaming realm. And going with the flow, of course, is pretty obvious.

People really do need to "turn around" and see what is really happening. Sometimes I say that everyone has a telephone (dreams) to the other reality, but few pick it up.

Passionate journeys,

Joe Mason

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