by Joe Mason and Dee Finney

updated 3-29-03


Photo submitted by Ralph Meany of the lunar/sun eclipse on 06-10-02. Anomalous second sun, though probably not an actual sun, is certainly symbolic of the second sun in our Solar System.

Photo with permission of Daniel - There Out There

For quite a few years, I've been reading about and collecting dreams
and information about Two Suns. Many are searching for information
as to 'why' they are dreaming about or seeing two suns.  It was time to
move this information into the collective public eye so that others can
share their experiences if they care to, but more so to discover the
meaning behind the symbol.



Dear Joe:

I have been packing your email address around with me for over a year.

About that long ago, somebody pulled up your website on my computer. I read your article on "two suns" and invited anyone to respond.

Well, here I am finally. I wanted to share with you that my daughter and I were driving along the highway on the way between New Brunswick, Canada and Prince Edward Island, Canada. We could not believe our eyes. We both said we were glad there were two of us present for this marvelous phenomena as one of us might not have believed the other or understood. They were lined up along the horizon just before sunset. They were each full-sized and blindingly a bright yellow.

Special Regards,



Two Suns and Related Material

The following is an excerpt from Joe Mason's article posted on the Internet on December 24, 1996:

"The two olive trees/lampstands/prophets of Rev.11, seem to refer to the many, and the duality within them. The inside Self, often symbolized as the feminine/dreaming/intuitive/right brain self, is growing to match the male/rational/outside/left brain self. It is like going from a sky with the sun blocking out the Morning Star, to a Dawning Sunrise, where there are two, equal-sized Suns."

See: 11:11 - Humanity's Leap to the Heart Chakra

Nostradamus: "The cloud will make the sun appear double"

Prior to posting the 11:11 article in December 1996, I read the following e-mail from David P:

Two suns dream
Date: 96-12-31
From: David P

Dear Friends

I had an interesting dream this morning - saw two suns in the east.

One was dancing about in a regular pattern. It wasn't bright sunlight, it was as a bright white disk as if through light cloud.

Anyone any similar visions?


David P. >>


A response from another member:

<< Subj: Re: Two suns dream
Date: 96-12-31
From: B


Have friends with similar dreams. I have been experiencing a lot of creativity, unifying, releasing, and birth experiences in "hyperspace".




Here is an e-mail received by David P. concerning the subject:

<< I had the honor of being part of a group which visited Egypt to do sacred ceremony with a Maori elder in fulfillment of the prophecy of his peoples.

We went in November of 1996. At the completion of one of the most powerful ceremonies, as we were returning on the bus in Cairo from the Red Pyramid, there were two suns. All forty of us on the bus saw them. They were overlapping each other, one orange and one yellow. One of the members of the group said that the two suns appear only every 3,500 years, and that they are an indication of the change of the age.

I should add that the Maori prophecy has to do with the shifting of the earth's energy to assist with the coming of the new age. That was the intention of the ceremonies we performed. The Maori elder felt that the prophecy had been fulfilled. >>


The following is an excerpt from Joe Mason's addition to the 11:11 article, after reading David P.'s dream of the two suns on December 31, 1996:

"Several days ago, I wrote, and then posted an essay, in which I spoke of the symbolism of two suns. I did not explain why I put it that way. I will explain it here.

In "Black Elk Speaks," he tells why shaman circle to the left. You are born in the South, where the sun always shines. Then you travel west, where the sun sets. You then travel north, where the white hairs live. Then, you face east, where the sun dawns, and the Day Break Star shines. Finally, you return to the South, and are returned to the earth. The more you think about this, the more sense it makes.

My dream-coincidence path led me to speculate about the symbolism of the film, "2001:Space Odyssey."

It begins with a solar eclipse showing the Diamond Ring. (marriage of Heaven and Earth). An unknown intelligence, the obelisk, helps the ape use tools, setting the evolution of man in motion. The intelligence departs, and waits until the apes develop the intelligence to reach the moon, and find the obelisk that was left there long ago. When it is uncovered, it sends out a signal to space, and the Odyssey begins. Dave Wilcock informed me that in the original book, the destination was Saturn, rather than Jupiter, which is very interesting concerning the Companion to the Hale-Bopp comet.

The astronauts in hibernation are killed first. (those asleep when the Great Change happens). Dave (which means Love) is the lone survivor (the final spiritual journey must be done alone). HAL is taken from IBM (I B(e), (I) (aM), being one letter shifted. He symbolizes the gestalt of the rational mind, an artificial intelligence with no Heart, the collective selves disconnected. He is programmed to complete the mission, even if all the humans must be killed. Dave goes to the Heart of the Ship (body-vehan, vehicle), and disables HAL. HAL breaks down, and starts to remember (awaken from self-imposed amnesia) his childhood (origin), singing, "Daisy, daisy, . . . on a bicycle built for two."

The bicycle has appeared as a crop formation, and other patterns are similar. I believe this concerns the duality of creation, and within ourselves.

The six-petal daisy came to me through dreams, as it is made up from interlocking circles in a ring. It has appeared many times in various forms as a crop formation. In my case, it also represented a closed aperture, like that on a camera. The North sun symbol in the Barbury Castle formation was similar. My dream-coincidences indicated that it would open, letting in the Seventh Ray on the Seventh Day of Creation (we are not Man yet). It is the Lost Pleiad of the Pleiades, and the Angel that rises from the Dawning Sun in Revelation 7, to mark the foreheads. (those who have stayed awake).

The Hopi depict a 12-petal sun flower in their Creation myth of Spider Grandmother. She teaches us how "to weave" after the fourth step (Heart chakra), and emergence into the Sunlight. Tantra, in Sanskrit means, "to weave." The Lotus of the Heart has 12 petals, and I believe it is related to the New Jerusalem.

This year, a six-petal pattern appeared with smaller circles around the major one, which produced a Star Of David in the center. A strong clue, as I see it, of the aperture opening, and the leap to the Heart Chakra by humanity en masse.

Dave is transformed into a baby (re: Rev. 12) in a bubble, heading back to earth. A new cycle of evolution is about to begin.

When I saw the sequel, "2010," I was a bit disappointed, until I woke up to the symbolism of the two Suns at the end. The Sun and the Daybreak Star, Venus, correspond to Adam and Eve, in my dream interpretations. We  were created with a much larger male/rational/left-brain aspect. We only have a rib-sized portion of the female/intuitive/dreaming/right-brain aspect. As we awake from our dreams in the morning, and things "dawn" on us, the two lights are up there in the sky (at times). As the sun rises, the Morning star fades into invisibility overpowered by the sun, that is, our feminine side has even less function in daytime.

The symbolic meaning of two Suns becomes clear. Our Venus aspect will grow to match the Sun aspect. This is symbolized in a number of other ways in the crop formations, and in dreams. In the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas, Jesus said in saying number 22, that one must make the male and female into a single one, in order to enter the Father's domain. The most clear crop pattern that had this symbolism had the female sign of Venus joined together with the male sign of Mars.

From this article: Nostradamus: "The cloud will make the sun appear double"

"I feel motivated to explain some coincidences, in the hope that others will keep an eye out for such things.

First, a little review:

On December 12, (1996), I just happened to find a file on AOL's Parascope with the 11:11 folder with 43 messages asking about 11:11.

(Nostradamus) C4, Q29:

"The hidden Sun eclipsed by Mercury
will be placed only second in the heavens.
Hermes will be made the food of Vulcan,
the Sun will be seen pure, shining and golden."

I have theorized that the following quatrain is related:

(Nostradamus) C2, Q41

The great star will burn for seven days,
The cloud will make the sun appear double:
The large mastiff will howl all night
When the great pontiff changes his abode.

The "large mastiff" in the theory is Canis Major/Sirius/Isis, which corresponds to the Woman With Child in Revelation 12. This is speaking of dreams, visions, inspirations, etc., the communication from the collective unconscious at the end of the cycle.

Signposts/guideposts are left for us in the waking state "on land" by way of coincidences and synchronicities."


On September 23, 1996, I found a great article connecting 11:11 with sun spot cycles, among other things. It was on the Crop Circle Connector site, but has since been removed. A few excerpts follow:


by Simon Burton

The sun breathes over a 76 year cycle, expanding and contracting like a great lung. When the sun expanding its girth, the subsequent sunspot cycle is a quiet one, with fewer sunspots. but when the sun breathes out, contracting in size, the sunspot peak that follows is high, with many sunspots. The two solar exhalations (contractions) in this century have been 1911 and 1987, both of which were associated with strong sunspot activities in the subsequent solar maxima.

While the solar breathing cycle is slow, 76 years, its heartbeat is quicker. The heart in the sun beats approximately once every eleven years, and it beats sunspots.

Sunspots are dark patches on the solar disk that may cover areas of thousands of millions of square kilometers.

The two solar hemispheres show an opposite polarity sequence. North polarity for a northerly p-spot and south polarity of the southerly p-spot.

At the changing from one cycle to another the polarities turn, so that the solar magnetic cycle possesses a period of two times 11 years. This is the 'double sunspot' cycle.

In 1990, during the period of the solar maximum, a crop circle appeared which looked like a dumb-bell.

Crawley Down, North of Salisbury, Wiltshire.
Formed 13th July, 1990

Aerial shot by George Wingfield Copyright 1990.

The beat marks, normally appearing as two pairs of lines either side of the central bar of the cereological dumb-bell, put this symbol in a solar context: The two beats marks symbolize the heart-beats of a mighty heart that beats once every eleven years, but in a double cycle. The 11:11 beats are the heart beat of the sun, the solar sunspot cycle. coming in 1990, which year there would be only two 11-year solar heart-beats to reach 2012, the end of the Mayan Great Cycle. Then, in terms of the Mayan calendar, we were less than two heart-beats from eternity.

The Magic Square of the Sun

In Greek Gematria, Helios, the physical sun was assigned the basic number 6. The system used the basic numbers to create a "magic square," in this case a 6 by 6 square, forming 36 smaller squares within it. The numbers 1 through 36 are then placed in the squares, so that they add up to 111 by rows and diagonals. The number 666 comes from adding all the numbers from 1 to 36. Rev. 13:18 says that the number of man is 666.


The Two Suns, Physical and Spiritual

In Churchward's "The Sacred Symbols of Mu," various ancient glyphs are presented. The circle (like a ring) is a glyph for the sun and was the symbol of Ra, the Infinite One, the Monotheistic Deity. Other cultures modified the glyph, such as adding a dot or a smaller circle within.

The name for the physical sun or celestial orb was Kin, often represented as an eight-rayed sun. In Egypt the name was - Horus, in Greece - Apollo, and in Babylonia - Belmarduk.

The Logos and The Spiritual Sun

David Fideler speaks of the symbolism of the sun in "Jesus Christ, Sun of God."  The term Logos, sometimes translated incorrectly as "the Word" in the Bible, represented "the heart of the cosmic pattern and the source of  existence, its emblem is the sun, the source of life and light." Fideler goes on to say -

"Helios was seen as the heart of the celestial pattern, and his physical
aspect was considered as the lower manifestation of a higher principle
which we may characterize as the Idea of the Solar Logos."
". . . the sun itself was never taken to represent the First Cause, and was
merely seen as its image and manifestation on a lower level of being,
within the confines of space and time."
". . . Philo of Alexandria, (was) a Jewish philosopher who sought to
reconcile the spiritual traditions of Judaism with the light of Greek
learning. Born around 30 B.C.E., Philo describes in his main works
a comprehensive worldview based on the central idea of the Logos.
In this emanationist cosmology, Philo refers to God as the Intelligible
or Spiritual Sun, and the Logos, his offspring, as "the Son of God."
This theology, which is independently found in the Egyptian Hermetica

from the same time period and the writings of Plutarch, was chosen by
the first Christian intellectuals as the vehicle for their own spiritual

Two suns dream - Re: 11:11 Doorway

From: CS

The following is from "A New Book of Revelations" channeled through Tuella

Question: When Earth leaves this orbit, does it go to an area with two suns?


That is correct, for this will be the temporary staging grounds for the preparations which must follow for the journey. She will remain in that location for one thousand years, a most busy time for all involved in the mission process. During this period, God will completely reign over this planetary body, this time when all bring forward all that is Good and Glorious. (Note: This period is fully and completely detailed in our Holy Bible as the Heaven of the New Earth and the Presence of God dwelling with us.) It will take approximately one thousand years, in Earth equivalent time, to complete the transition from the fourth to the fifth dimension, and to take on passengers and supplies needed for the next experience. For fifth dimensional Earth will be joined by other entities, who will be full of their own experiences, gathered from throughout the many and one Universe. Together they will become a new body of collective consciousness to be known as Nova Terra.

The following are excerpts from an e-mail reporting channeled material:

From A
Mon, 5 May 1997

Crystal Skulls are like giant frequency stations and each one of the Skulls serves as a sub-station, broadcasting what we call the frequency of or the Word or the Ten Commandments, which were absent from the Earth for a long time. Originally, the Ten Commandments were placed and broadcast from the planet Faustia, which is in Orion. We have received a lot of our races and programming from there.

(Editors’ Note: The Thirteen Crystal Skulls which Michael refers to are of an interdimensional nature and can instantaneously shift their presence back and forth between the physical level and the etheric level.)

Michael: The Crystal Skulls are really just the tip of the iceberg of what’s coming out. So it’s not surprising that they are emerging at this time because things like the Enoch book, [The Keys of Enoch, by J. J. Hurtak, which represents a probe into our planetary evolution to see if we are ready for the Higher Teachings], crystals and interest in UFOs are areas that people understand fairly well now, as opposed to twenty or thirty years ago when these topics didn’t make sense to most people.

The fact that our solar system is moving toward the central region of the Galaxy means that we’re needing more Light so that we will become what they call a Population II System. We will have two suns instead of one and we’ll be shifting from the solar frequencies towards the ultraviolet frequencies.

Another e-mail received in 1997

Dream Blast
From: J S

The site looks very interesting. I was 'shown' the two suns when studying cell mitosis (?) a couple of years ago. I thought the relevance was that there is always a need to recognize the existence of the opposite, and need for balance. Also, that there are two suns in the body, the solar plexus, and it's opposite, the mental sun, the crown.

An e-mail from 1998

Your web page greatdreams - 1111
From: B

The talk of the dream of two suns was interesting. JOE, I have SEEN two suns - both appeared as behind a cloud. They were next to each other, one seemed on a higher elevation. I could not tell which was the REAL sun. This has happened on two, maybe three occasions. I told V about this when it occurred, perhaps 18-24 months ago, maybe more.

Love ya!!


Here is a web site from the internet:

Author: Goro Adachi
E-mail Address:

Original Date: Oct. 1, 1995



~ Occurrences In Space ~

According to Elena/Dyonisus/Nostradamus (vol.I p70):

- Excerpt -

E (Elena/Dyonisus/Nostradamus): This is the one that refers to the coming of the people from the stars. The mastiff would be the symbol of the Devil or evil, and the pope would be changing. Rome would no longer be the home of the Catholic Church.

D: Then that's what he means by "the great star will burn for seven days'? The coming of these other people?

E: This is also in reference to the quatrain we spoke of at the last session.

D: About the light show?

E: That is correct. The sun appearing double does not mean two suns. It means that the sun would appear both day and night.

B) "Second Sun"

Now, there is another weird prediction/prophecy which basically states that there will be two suns in the sky. Again this is a pretty bizarre and unlikely prediction. But interestingly, there seems to be some connection between the new "sun" and the "photon belt". (It is also possible that Hale-Bopp itself is the "second sun", but I will assume that it is not.) The following excerpt from Mary's Message is an example:

"In this new (magnetic) energy will be the makings of new stars and a new sun which will enter the immediate solar system." (p.38)

I think it's safe to say that what Annie Kirkwood (the author) calls "magnetic energy" or "new vibrations" is what others would call the "photon belt". So the above sentence would translate; "A new bright star will appear when the solar system enters the photon belt". The following excerpts from the same source concerning the physical change in humans further confirm the connection:

"The atmosphere will change in components. The solar system will be different. A new sun will be added. This will be a binary solar system. The two suns will activate cells which will draw nourishment from the sun's rays. The need to ingest foods will be aided by the nourishment derived from he sunrays."

"Man will evolve into a more mental being. He will be able to hear sounds which are not presently heard. He will see through particles of light which are hidden to him now. With his mind, man will hear and speak. He will have better use of his psychic abilities." (p.243-244)


The next one is from the Hopi prophecy.

(Source: Atlantis Rising by Brad Steiger):

"The Armageddon of spiritual against material will occur when the 'Saquasohuh (Blue Star) Kachina' - now represented by a far away and yet invisible blue star - makes its appearance. The Emergence into the Fifth world, however, has already begun, the Hopis state."

This one is from Gordon-Michael Scallion. I believe/hope this is one of his older predictions, so it should be more authentic (i.e. psychically received) than his recent predictions:

"By the turn of the century Earth will have a binary sun system, as a new sun appears in the heavens. During the day it will appear as a small white light in the sky similar to the way the moon looks when it is visible during daylight hours. In the evening this star, blue in colour, appears as a bright light in the Milky Way. Its size would compare to ten times that of the brightest star or planet now visible."

"Now, the sun also has a cycle with other spheres. As it moves across the known & unknown heavens, it comes under the influence of other suns, also on their journeys.What you were shown, relative to the blue star, was this star coming into this solar system, making it a binary sun system, for a period of time.... Its time period is related to the previously prophesied 'millennium of peace?' As part of its cycle, it shall disappear behind the sun once more. Though it shall be visible for 1,800 years, in total, & then a new cycle begins....During the day, it will appear as a silvery light 100 times brighter than any morning star, so as to require a new 'Magnitude' scale."


Is there a scientific explanation for these very improbable predicted events (second sun/photon belt etc.) which seem to be the key to the all the other millennium-related geological/spiritual changes that are also being predicted by many? According to the Bible, no one will be able to figure it out:

Zechariah 14:6

" the sun and moon and stars will no longer shine, yet there will be continuous day! Only the Lord knows how!"

Those events are probably beyond our scientific knowledge. From what I read about them, it's become quite clear to me that all this has a lot to do with higher dimensions (or hyperspace). It is beyond our usual space-time. And our science has just started to take higher dimensional space-time seriously. So, I'd have to say that there would be no accepted scientific answers to those claims before they actually occur.

But I at least tried to come up with some possible explanations anyway. :) First, I had several candidates:

1. Black hole

2. Interstellar cloud

3. Supernova/Neutron Star

4. Planetary alignment / unusual sun activity

5. ET technology

After some thinking and study, I decided that #3, Supernova/Neutron Star, was the best candidate I could think of so far with the limited amount of information that I had.

(Notice that I referred to a supernova, SN 1987A, when interpreting II-48 in Chapter IV "Signs In the Sky".)

:: Second Sun ::

This is a little tricky. Would the neutron star be the predicted "second sun"?

Coincidentally, according to Richard Noone, author of "5-5-2000", there is an ancient prophecy that a "failed star" will return after 5,000 years (I'm not sure when was the last time) to illuminate the sky and authenticate the prophecy. It's highly unlikely for a new (normal) star to suddenly enters the solar system, because we would surely see it coming before it is no where near the solar system. How about a neutron star? I have to say it is still unlikely, but I don't believe it is impossible. If it is a pulsar (spinning neutron star emitting pulses of EM radiation), its brightness would depend on the position of the observer since the radiation would be confined to very narrow rotating beams. For example, the following position of the Earth in relation to the pulsar beams should make the pulsar dimmest to us on Earth. (snip)


From: R

Hi :)

Several times over the past few months I have turned my head to a clock which reveals the 11:11 time (and I'm not normally a clock watcher, I don't even wear a watch) and have wondered if it had significance. I was surfing the net and discovered your page - interesting!

I also had a dream of two suns. One seems to fade then return to equal intensity with the other; at times my mind's eye seems to go 'cross-eyed' phasing the two suns together - but this could be my own internal fear trying to 'normalize' them into one sun.

Just as a note I seem drawn to the Native American 'way', I feel at home when I think of them, earth, etc.; I'm captivated by all things universal; and my favourite games are trying to figure out puzzles - figures huh!?!

Gone surfin' poof!





From: A

Wasn't sure if this response should go to you or "David " I've had the dream of the two suns when I was 7 years old, approx. 1950. Had it 3 nights in a row. Never forgot it but finally a connection when first seen screen version of 2010. Appreciated your page.




2 suns
From: V A

I had 2 suns dream 20+ years ago. see msg board at:


From Laura Lee's ( posting board -

Re: End of World Dreams
From: R P

Here are some dreams i've had in the past which may have been visions. They still have to come to pass.

One dream i had last April about 2 suns may have been a vision, it was so vivid. It was after the earth changes, or maybe during, but the land was all different and it seemed to be in this area. I was walking on a trail close to the water looking across the bay and there was still what looked like hills or mtns (what's left of the Olympics?) and to my right the sun was setting. Just as it disappeared behind the hill, to my left another sun came up and just as it was half visible the one on the right came back up, then they both rose and were both hanging in the sky! It was very colourful and seemed realistic.

Other dreams/visions i had since the mid 80's were i was standing on Capitol Hill at Denny and Olive Way looking down toward Space Needle and it was water up to Bellevue Ave E. (right below Olive Way). My thought was to get up to 15th E at the top of hill.

Another was out 3 mi N of Kingston and i'm looking out across the bay to Whidbey Island but there's no water in the bay, the whole Puget Sound is emptied out. It's all land with seaweed and vegetation and i go try walking to Whidbey through it. Dreamt that one twice. Sister also dreamt it. Could mean the prelude to a tidal wave. That would probably be after Rainier erupts.


From: A B

I have a lot of information here it is:

On June 11, 1994 (Note the 11 in the date!) an anonymous person who called himself "Publius" posted the following message on floyd:

By the way if you are interested in a two suns connection With Pink Floyd then you need look no further than the Song, Two Suns in the Sunset which refers to nuclear war

"Ashes and diamonds,
Foe and friend,
We were all equal,
In the end"

If you want all the lyrics for this song it is on the album The Final Cut. I'm sure the lyrics are posted on the net.

Thanks for your help, I hope you find this information Useful. I think I have more info which I will e-mail to You as it comes.

Shanti, Shanti, Shanti


Pink Floyd

Two Suns In The Sunset
in my rear view mirror the sun is going down
sinking behind bridges in the road
and i think of all the good things
that we have left undone
and I suffer premonitions
confirm suspicions
of the holocaust to come

the wire that holds the cork
that keeps the anger in
gives way
and suddenly it's day again
the sun is in the east

even though the day is done
two suns in the sunset

could be the human race is run
like the moment when your brakes lock
and you slide toward the big truck
and stretch the frozen moments with your fear
and you'll never hear their voices
and you'll never see their faces
you have no recourse to the law anymore

and as the windshield melts
my tears evaporate

leaving only charcoal to defend
finally i understand
the feelings of the few
ashes and diamonds
foe and friend
we were all equal in the end

The Music on this page is the midi file of this song

From: B

I was shocked to come across this site today -- as I have had a lifetime of experiences with the number 11.

I was born 10/01/1973 at 7:30 PM. My name consists of 11 letters. When I was in my teens the #11 became my favorite number. Not sure exactly when, but after I decided that to be my favorite number I always noticed the clock at 11:11. Then I started calculating everything to see if it equaled 11. My wedding day was on 10/10/1992 (not planned, I wanted to be married on 10/11 but that was a Sunday).

I wake up in the night always at 11:11 and don't take my eyes off the clock until it reaches 11:12. Sometimes, it seems longer than one minute has passed.

I've always thought this was only because it was my favorite number. I got goosebumps when this site came up as I was reading it today.

Also, all of my family members have a total of 11 letters in their name (first(7) + last(4)) Seven members total.

I am looking into buying a house (just so happens the house # is 11).

On another subject that I've been familiar with is the one regarding the two suns. I recently had a dream of looking up into the sky and seeing two suns -- there were people all around me, but no one would look up to see this phenomenal event. I couldn't figure this dream out, until I read your site tonight also. (Amazing!)

Another dream that I cannot forget occurred at the end of last year some time -- I was standing by the side of the road and all of the sudden two extra-terrestrial beings stood in front of me. I felt like I should be afraid but, was completely comfortable with this. One was over 6 feet tall the other was much smaller (maybe 4').

The taller one look very evolved, very intelligent. He never spoke, but I knew what he was thinking. He held out his hands (very long, pointy fingers) and I put my fingertips over his, lightly touching.

I felt a completely beautiful sensation, but didn't understand what was happening. He (thought) to me "You are healed". Then disappeared. The next day, I felt a tingling sensation throughout my body all day.

For some reason, I believe this has some connection to all of this.

Please tell me your thoughts on this.

Thank you!


Note From Joe Mason (Re: 11, 11:11, Dreams, etc.)

From: JMason4557
To: B

Dear B

Thank you for sharing your 11 experiences and dreams. They are VERY significant, in my view. Others are also dreaming of ETs and UFOs. See:


The two ETs with you in the dream may be related to the Duality and the Trinity. Dreams and other things seem to be suggesting that mankind has been out of balance during the time cycle, with the "male/rational/left-brain" aspect being much greater than the "feminine / dreaming / intuitive / right-brain" aspect. The great change involves a balance of the duality aspects.

The basic Trinity has a Father and Mother who engender a "Son," or "child," who is androgen, that is, the "child" has both aspects of the "Parents." The Trinity is always considered "One." The symbolism may be showing functions or aspects of the Creation. We believe that this is shown in various ways in dreams.

Next, the Trinity is also shown as:



The "11:11" connection, as I see it, is related to the two olive trees (the two anointed) standing up after the 3 1/2 days (time cycle) in Revelation 11:11. They represent the Royal Bloodline of Kings and the Bloodline of the High Priests. It is, I believe, another form of the duality symbolism, such as a tribal chief and shaman, or a scientist/shaman. The Fisher Kings of the Grail tradition were a combination Priest King.

The two olive trees stand to each side of the golden lampstand with seven lamps in Zechariah 4. This is related to the very ancient Tree of Life and the Menorah, both of which have appeared as crop circle formations. See:



You will see that there is a connection to the chakra system. A link from the pages go to another article about crop circle formations representing chakras. Also, "11" may refer to the sphere in the Tree known as Daat or Daath.

I now have a series of articles that explain my "11:11" related experiences in much more detail, with many graphics:


Regards and best wishes,

Joe Mason


11:11-Related Pages list




VISION OF of 11:11

Byron's 12-12 Dream - MESSAGE FROM HEAVEN - 3-23-98

The Uprising Phoenix-THE 11:11-CONNECTION - Gereon


The Nvisible: Introduction to the 11:11

Lightworker Home (Steve Rother, 11:11)

Ramses Home World (11:11 - John Ramses)

Ring of the 11:11

Rev. 11:11 - The Advent of Dionysus / Dear David - 479

Jason's 11:11 Post - Re: Important Message from Drunvalo

Lia's Experiences with 11:11

THE ENGLISH CABALA - 111 (Aeonic :. Annunciation :. (Crowley) site)

Create Peace - 11:11 Meditation

the 111 experience of J’lahn (Jala*AN)

VISIONS: Beginning February 6th, 1999!

The 11:11 Synchronicity - (Mark Bell) - An Investigation into 11:11

11:11 (Eleven Eleven)

Star Knowledge Conference - 11:11 - Standing Bear

AngelScribe.COM 1111 Experiences

Numerology of the Total Solar Eclipse ~11th August 1999 11:11 U.T.(G.M.)

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From: PB

I've had that "two suns in the sky" dream too...



Two Suns and Related Material

From: D


I have spoken with you before, I had a dream last night that was really interesting. I watch my dreams and I have had pieces of this one before but boy is it a NEW dream. I am going to share it with you as I think it is important. Please tell me what you think, the reason I am asking, I know you study them too.

Nighttime. Looking up into the heavens you could see banks of space ships like "little" stars in formations moving around. (I always have this one, and as a child at night I could see them move in the sky during waking hours) This part has always caused emotion of concern for me. In the dream it seems as though everyone was on edge, nervous somehow.

People were anxious. We knew something was coming. I don't know or remember any of them seeing the spaceships. I was in school, there were other students, we were not children but childlike learning, with a principle and teachers in a classroom like place, wearing bright colored sweaters. But they were 'worn,' kind of old looking, but comfortable.

Next, I was on the beach, small mountains on the right side, you could see the ocean on the left side, Sand dunes between me and the ocean with clumps of grass and people were there standing around in small groups. We were watching the sun rise. But now this is the interesting way it rose.

Our sun of gold, instead of rising came up a few inches from the horizon and then went to the right and the new sun of blue went up in its place. And now we were bathed in the blue light, it was darker than normal but I could see easier.

Some of the people were ill from the sun, but we knew it would be temporary, some of us were fine. I knew I was from the place of the blue sun. Some of the people lay on the beach covered, lying prone face down as if in homage to this new sun. We got them up, cleaned them off.

Went back to the school, talked with the principle. Started looking at how to live with this new sun energy. How we might grow plants and how it might affect our skin. I then went and washed the ground under where I parked my car.

I knew the strongest emotion for me is seeing the spaceships, like bright small stars in the sky, move in unison. I have had this dream so many times. And sometimes they get large, and I get to go inside them.

Then poof I woke up. I got the impression that we here on earth are getting a NEW sun, soon, but not in the near future. Also I think it is about the shift in us to a higher plane of spirituality.

So what you think? If you don't have time to answer I do understand and it is OK.

Thank you so much for giving me a place to write this anyway.

Love and Light



Re: dream/sun

Dear D,

Thank you for sharing your great dream.

I think your dream is clearly related to the Blue Star Kachina of Hopi Prophecy. I will paste some links with excerpts below, starting with one of our pages at

Your dream and the Blue Star Kachina, I think, could be related to other dreams of "two suns." A coincidence happened about this not long after I came on-line in 1996. I had been gathering material for six years, and wanted to share it on-line, especially my "11:11" - related material.

There seems to be a (seemingly) negative and positive message about the two suns. The final outcome, which includes a duality balance, is entirely positive, I do think. But, there is a period of stress that precedes this. I think this may be like a "final judgment," where harsh events related to karma take place. It's like all accounts must be paid and the books balanced. The Hopi call it the time of the great purification. This may account for the feelings of people being "on edge, nervous," and "anxious," in your dream, as they "knew something was coming."

My "coincidence" path indicated that the period of stress started in 1914 with World War One, and was preceded by a symbolic event, the sinking of the Titanic in 1912. It is possible that most of the stress is behind us.

In many dreams, the earth realm seems to be symbolic of a "school" of some kind, or a hospital. It seems to be a karmic school of learning. The main "teacher" is Kali, the harlot. See:

TAMASISK - ANGER - FURY -  (Kali & The Harlot)

Enforcement of the "rules" seems to be symbolized in some dreams as police, security guards, or the like. In a sense, Satan, as the "opponent force," plays this role:


Just in the past few days, Dee and I have found that dreams of alligators and crocodiles also seem to symbolize karma. We believe it is related to the "Swallower" beast of the Egyptians (see the Pollen Path page -

We human beings seem to be symbolically "children," or young people in many dreams. This seems to refer to the process in the lower chakra levels, where we are in the stage of growing up, learning, and eventually graduating from the karmic school. We are "young" in the spiritual sense. I believe this is shown in this part of your dream:

<< "I was in school, there were other students, we were not children
but childlike learning, with a principle and teachers in a classroom-like
place, wearing bright colored sweaters. But they were 'worn,' kind of
old looking, but comfortable.">>

The colored sweaters may have special meaning. The chakras have various colors, for example. There is also the idea of the "garment" as the flesh body our spirits don, as we incarnate on earth. Kabbalists speak of the garment of Ein Soph, which, according to Blavatsky, has the same meaning as the "vehana" (vehicle) of eastern tradition. The Sakti, the Goddess, is the vehana, and corresponds to Ezekiel's Wagon and to Noah's Ark.

Joshua in Zechariah 3 has filthy garments after being accused by Satan. He is helped to get clean garments, and is called a brand plucked from the fire. He is the High Priest, one of the two anointed, who stands up in Revelation 11:11. Revelation 3 speaks of those being "dead," not awake, and those who have not soiled their garments.

Bora Finton has a very interesting idea about this, as related to the story of the twins, Perez and Zerah of the Scarlet Thread in Genesis 38:

The Scarlet Thread: Path to the Inheritance

The "beach" location in your dream, I think, can relate to the idea of duality, as a place where earth meets the sea. This can represent conscious/unconscious, male/female, corporeal reality/spirit reality, etc. One of the Angels in Revelation has one foot on land and the other in the sea.

A "sun rise" is a common and very ancient symbol, of course. The graphic at the top of my Pollen Path pages came from several dreams. It shows the Angel of Revelation 7 coming out of the rising sun, holding the Tau Cross to mark the foreheads of the 144,000 people who will be saved. I do not take this as literal - I think it is saying that some will experience more stress than others, as the great change unfolds. The rising sun is a symbol of a New Age, but it can represent less grand changes. The setting sun in the West is associated with death and darkness, the end of old cycles.

In your dream our sun of gold was apparently replaced with the blue one. I would think that this indicates the stressful, karmic part of the changes. Dee and I have found that the color blue seems related symbolically to Perez, the twin who is born first. The twin marked with red, Zerah, is born second, but is the rightful King. The words "sun" and "son" are often linked.

The blue Perez twin seems to be related to the karmic experience involving the lower three chakras. If I have this right, the gold sun in your dream corresponds to the rightful king/lion/Leo. I liken this to the hand of Zerah coming out of the womb first. His hand withdraws back into the womb, and then, the blue twin, Perez, is born first. This corresponds to the blue sun eclipsing the golden sun.

Another way of stating the idea is this - the Creator has the idea for his perfect son, who will inherit the Kingdom. The son will rule the fruitful Kingdom, operating from higher consciousness levels, the heart chakra and above. But, a karmic learning stage must come first, in order to overcome the lower levels of consciousness represented by the lower three chakras. This role is played by the blue son, Perez.

You may know that this "rightful king" idea has been around since the beginning of history. Examples are: Esau/Jacob, Cain/Able, Typhon-Set/Osiris, and Enlil/Enki. It was portrayed with an Egyptian theme in the film, "Lion King."

This may explain why some of the people became "ill" from the blue sun. As I mentioned, the earth realm is a symbolic hospital in many cases. The people laying prone as if in homage of the new sun, reminds me of the two trees/anointed laying dead for 3 1/2 days in Revelation 11. You and others got them up and cleaned them off. I see this as similar to the two trees standing up in Revelation 11:11. The "cleaning" is similar to that of Joshua in Zechariah 3. You also washed the ground under your car. This may be referring to your vehana-vehicle.

Back in school, you spoke of how to grow plants, and how it would effect your skin. This may have a karma meaning, in the sense of sowing and reaping. Isaiah 65:17-23 speaks of growing your own vineyard and eating the fruit. Kali and her consort, Shiva, are destroyers. Our time cycle in the Kali-Yuga is "death or destruction creation," and equated to a seed growing into a plant. The seed is destroyed in the process of the plant's growth.

Your impression that the dream is about the shift in us to a higher plane of spirituality, I believe, is on the mark. It certainly seems to fit with the Blue Star Kachina and the time of the great Purification.

Best wishes and regards,

Joe Mason


The number 26, The Mayan Tzolkin, and the Grid Crop Circle

C O. continues:

I've been studying this astrologically for some years now and the transits of the planetary cycles over certain degrees of the zodiac coincide with this "End of Time" scenario and the "New Sun". However, which numerical "Sun" it is seems a matter of controversy as the different world cultures, according to Immanuel Velikovsky's scholarly books, report anywhere from 4-9 or more Sun Ages or Solar Ages have come and gone in our Earthly cyclic time frame, with or without complete reversals of the poles.

In fact, Nostradamus and others predicted the reappearance of our second sun "blue" in our local heavens around the end of 1999 or sooner to those who are able to see the new "blue" sun which is the "negative" or "invisible" companion to our lone orange-gold sun Sol. I've been naming the blue sun "Soul" as binary mate of "Sol" and have written a whole lot of information on their centuries-past separation and coming re-merging and its ramifications.

The Blue Sun, otherwise known to the American Indians as the Blue Star or Kachina/Katsina and by various other names around the world, is perhaps not the only thing occultly invisible to our current "normal" vision. There may also be another whole solar system full of planets interacting with us in our local heavens. There is much written evidence of this as there are many astronomical reports of "perturbations" that appear to be altering the outer planets' (Pluto, Neptune) orbits and also reports and calculated orbits of an "invisible" planet called Vulcan which passes close to the sun causing predictable solar flare eruptions and resulting "mutations" on Earth.


Hopi Prophecy

That time is not far off. It will come when the Saquasohuh (Blue Star) Kachina dances in the plaza and removes his mask. He represents a blue star, far off and yet invisible, which will make its appearance soon.

The time is foretold by a song sung during the Wuwuchim ceremony. It was sung in 1914 just before World War I, and again in 1940 before World War II, describing the disunity, corruption, and hatred contaminating Hopi rituals, which were followed by the same evils spreading over the world. This same song was sung in 1961 during the Wuwuchim ceremony.


From: d


JUST came across this page and thought it be of interest to you, due to the namesake.

I also want to make a comment on the two suns dreams. I also dreamt of two suns.

I was on a boat in the middle of the ocean, feeling as if i was literally 'on top' of the world. To my east was a sun just above the horizon, to my west was another sun just above the horizon. Also to the east was a double rainbow, which was dancing around like serpentine energy in the sky. It was an amazing dream and makes it more amazing that others have had similar dreams. I seem to be having a lot of dreams with rainbows in them...too many. I also see a rainbow on average once a week, in a waking state(if its any different :-) ), sometimes when there's not even a cloud in the sky...but nothing surprises me anymore!


Re: Two experiences...
From: C K

Dee -  can't really explain, but for some reason I have always believed that we would have 2 suns like they portrayed in 2010 the movie. In the dream I saw the 2nd Sun, it was farther away and closer than our own.

If you remember the Sheldon Nidle info, if we go through Photon Belt and some kind of wormhole and we will end up in the Sirius star system... that has 2 suns. ( that is what was said and predicted )

All I know is when they took me to this place and we were ready to leave, we saw the 2nd Sun, it was more blue than our Red sun, and shined so bright. I am not sure if it was visible day and night or not.

Wish I could tell you more, I can't.


I have a question
From: C V M

My name is ___, I am from mexico and I don't know anything about the 11:11 subject, I got your address from a friend, because the 31 of the past december at six in the afternoon, a friend and me saw two suns for about one hour in "la sierra tarahumara" which is located in the highest point in Chihuahua, Mexico, I really was surprised for what I was looking, listen I hope you read this message and answer to me.

listen you will have to excuse my english, I hope you understand what I am talking about and find an answer.


Jewish Alchemy: the Cabala

The Three Pillars of Truth

In the Tree of Life, the spheres range in three columns or pillars: the Central Pillar, comprising the "Crown" (the Celestial and Astral Suns), the alchemical Pillar of Salt, which has been called the Pillar of Hercules and more aptly the Pillar of Life. At the right of this central one, is the Active Pillar, consisting of Binah, Hesed, and Netsah (or Intelligence, Strength, and Firmness), which represent the Fire principle, the alchemical Sulfur, the masculine or active forces in creation and providence. At the left is the Passive Pillar, representing the Light principle, the alchemical Mercury, the feminine or passive properties in creation and providence, as expressed in Hokmah, Gevurah, and Hod (or Wisdom, Beauty, and Splendor). The two side pillars are in exact equilibrium, the active and passive qualities equally performing their functions. The universe came perfect from the Creator and moves in sublime beauty and complete utility, in undeviating accord with the Will that called it into being by the Word. And just as long and as far as these two principles are in absolute equipoise everything must continue "very good " in God's sight.


The Voice of the Silence by H. P. Blavatsky



Follow the wheel of life; follow the wheel of duty to race and kin, to friend and foe, and close thy mind to pleasures as to pain. Exhaust the law of Karmic retribution. Gain Siddhis for thy future birth.

If Sun thou can'st not be, then be the humble planet. Aye, if thou art debarred from flaming like the noon-day Sun upon the snow-capped mount of purity eternal, then choose, O Neophyte, a humbler course.

Point out the "Way" -- however dimly, and lost among the host -- as does the evening star to those who tread their path in darkness.

Behold Migmar,* as in his crimson veils his "Eye" sweeps over slumbering Earth. Behold the fiery aura of the "Hand" of Lhagpa** extended in protecting love over the heads of his ascetics. Both are now servants to Nyima*** (26) left in his absence silent watchers in the night. Yet both in Kalpas past were bright Nyimas, and may in future "Days" again become two Suns. Such are the falls and rises of the Karmic Law in nature. [*Mars.]

[**Mercury.] [***The Sun.]



~ Alternative Thought ~

THE BLACK SUNS Note: Here SV is the visible sun and SI is the invisible sun.

Every area in the world has 2 focuses. The orbits of the planets are elliptic so they have 2 focuses.

For every planet one of the foci is the sun, the other is something called the black sun or invisible sun. Generally, we have seen that in nature only the visible phenomenon. The visible effects would order (command) the invisible effects, and the visible takes orders from the invisible.


research by Dee

On 7-25-2001, I was walking around the house, doing laundry,  making dinner early before the heat of the day started to raise too uncomfortably to cook and put the food in the refrigerator to keep cool. I went to the bathroom and before I even did anything, a booming voice came into my head with the words:  SOL INVICTUS.

That sounded pretty religious, at least I knew it was Latin or something, and was so stunned to hear these two words, I HAD to know what it meant.  I have to admit I don't know everything.  (smile) :-)

So, I signed onto the internet, and this is what I found.  This definitely fits into the two Sun category though one is the Sun, and one is the Son:

Christmas, Birthday of the Son-god

The time of Jesus' birth had nothing to do with the origin of Christmas: There never has been any indication that Jesus was born on or about December 25. Rather, the time of certain pagan festivities lay behind its origin. The following is taken from the Chicago Tribune, December 12, 1979:

In the Roman world, December 25 was considered the Birthday of the Unconquerable Sun, the Natalis Solis Invicti. Each year a feast took place just after the winter solstice of the Julian calendar, in honor of the Sun God, Mithras. By the year A.D. 274, Mithras had become so popular that the cult of Sol Invictus was proclaimed the Roman Empire's official state religion....Meanwhile, other pagan forces were at work in Rome. From December 17 to 23, Romans celebrated the ancient feast of the Saturnalia, a time of jubilation. The period commemorated the golden Age of Saturn, the pagan god of sowing and husbandry.

It was the name of the Sun-god, Sol Invictus, that appeared on one side of the coins Constantine minted. On the other side appeared the name of Christ. Just as Constantine's coins intermingled paganism with the name of Christ, so also many of the feasts and rituals of paganism were intermingled with Christian, or pseudo-Christian, terminology. Such was the origin of Christmas.

The emperor Constantine, contrary to tradition, was not a Christian but an advocate of the cult of Sol Invictus. More for political expediency than for religious reasons, Constantine tolerated Jesus as an earthly manifestation of Sol Invictus, the son god. Since Christian doctrine was being promulgated by Rome, compromises were being made between Christianity, Sol Invictus and Mithraism. Constantine saw this as a way of maintaining harmony. An edict by Constantine in 321 CE ordered the courts to be closed on the "venerable day of the sun" and Sunday was chosen as the day of observance rather than the traditional Saturday Sabbath.

In Prague, in 1603, shortly before Christmas, the astronomer and mathematician, Johannes Kepler, was making observations of the stars through his rudimentary telescope. He was observing the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in the constellation of Pisces. The two planets had converged to look like one larger and new "star." Kepler later remembered something he had read by the Rabbinical writer, Abravanel (1437-1508). Jewish astrologers maintained that when there was a conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in Pisces, the Messiah would come. In ancient Jewish astrology, the constellation of Pisces was known as the House of Israel, the sign of the Messiah. Jupiter was the royal star of the house of David and Saturn was the protecting star of Israel, the Messiah's Star Since the constellation of Pisces was the point in the heavens where the sun ended it's old course and began its new, it is understandable why this conjunction would be viewed as a portent of the Messiah.

Kepler concluded that he had found the "star of Bethlehem" but his hypothesis was rejected. It was not until 1925 that the hypothesis was re-examined when references to this conjunction were found in the cuneiform inscriptions of the astrological archives of the ancient School of Astrology at Sippar in Babylonia. Sippar was an ancient Sumerian city lying on a canal which linked the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. It was a very important commercial and religious center. Excavations at the site of Abu-Habbah during the latter part of the 19th century unearthed the remains of a temple and ziggurat dedicated to Shamash and the ancient scribal School of Astrology. The most important discovery were tens of thousands of clay tablets from the school archives that dated from the Old Babylonian and Neo-Babylonian periods. In 1925, the German Scholar P. Schnabel found, among the endless cuneiform records of dates and observations, a note on a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in the constellation of Pisces. The position of Jupiter and Saturn, converged in Pisces, had been recorded over a period of five months in 7 B.C.E!! Calculations show that the conjunction was observable three times over the course of the year, May 29, October 3, and December 4.

The conjunction in Pisces is observable in the southern sky over Judea and would sit directly over Bethlehem if one were observing along the road leading from Jerusalem to Bethlehem. Matthew 2:2 stating "We have seen his star in the east" is a mistranslation of the Greek phrase EN TH ANATOLH "in the east" from the original wording which means idiomatically, "the first light of dawn" (which comes from the east) when the conjunction is visible. The correlation of this celestial event with the first visit of Quirinius and a preliminary registration in Syria is too much of a coincidence for this layman to ignore. This makes the Gospel account accurate.

Accepting the Star of Bethlehem as an historical fact, detective work gives us three possible dates for the birth of Jesus, May 29, October 3, and December 4 in the year 7 BCE. We must rule out May 29 as too early. scholars also contend that the Gospel account of the three "Wise Men" is another of those theologoumenon white lies. If one were to accept the story of the three magi (astrologers), or at least three visitors who came to Judea based on the astrological omen, as containing an element of fact, May 29 is too early. Why would "wise men," astrologers/magi in Babylon care about a celestial event predicting the Jewish Messiah? Christians are normally unaware that Babylon was as important a center for Judaism as Jerusalem in the ancient world. It is the center for the predominating Babylonian Talmud. It is very likely that the "wise men" were scholars of the School of Astrology in Sippar and likely of Jewish ancestry dating to the mass deportations of Jews to Babylon in the 7th century BCE. Steeped in their Jewish messianic hopes and in astrology, these men would have been convinced that the birth of the Messiah was imminent. Given their background, an expedition to the Homeland would seem the most likely course of action for validation of both their scholarly, astrological and religious prognostication. These astrologers would have observed the first conjunction on May 29 and then made preparations to travel to Judea, arriving for the time of a predicted second conjunction. October 3 intrigues me because it is within days of the time of other recorded Roman censuses. Including the one in 6 CE. December 4 would be too late for Shepherds to be tending their flocks. These were usually brought in around the first of November. With all respect to the New Testament scholars, this historical story, correlating the Gospel accounts of the registration with the celestial phenomenon, Saturday, 10 Tishri, 3755 (October 3, 7 BCE.) is the date of the birth of Jesus. Interestingly, that day was a Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement.

A More Recent Dream:

Subj: Nibiru Dream

Date: 3/28/2003


Hey, I have been watching your site on and off for the past year and enjoy reading about all these dreams, last night I too had a "two suns" dream, one which I had never seen before.

First I must tell you something about myself, I'm 19, almost 20, and I am a Christian, and I have some mystical beliefs. I am open to meditation, and can relate somewhat to Kabballah wisdom. Oh yeah and I have been reading Zechariah Sitchin lately.

Nibiru, I sure you know, is the Sumerian 12th Planet in our Solar System, to us it would be the 10th planet.

I also live in Northern Idaho, some people attribute some mystical powers to this area, that people have been drawn here for a reason.

I must add that before I went to bed last night, I was listening to a CD called "DNA Activation Music Volume One" by a group called Shapeshifter. They claim that the music was channeled to them from a higher realm and that it has the power to change realities, lives, and eventually upgrade DNA to the 12 strand variety. I don't know about that, but I have seen some interesting things while listening to the music before, and it is very relaxing. Check out the website

So anyway, as I was finishing up breakfast today I had to write, I was driven to write this dream down. SO here it is:


I had a dream last night about Nibiru. Weird thing is, in the dream, Nibiru had the appearance of a red star almost equal in brightness to the sun.

It started out like this, I was standing in the dining room, looking to the mountains in the north and I saw the sun setting in the north mountains. I thought "this doesn't seem right" so I looked at my watch, and it said it was still morning, about 6 o'clock. All of a sudden it became very dark, there were all these dark fog like clouds that gathered that totally made it seem like it was night, like black night, but then as soon as they had come in, they lifted up, and the sun was rising from the exact same spot that it has set in a few minutes ago.

It was still ominously dark and cloudy, but the disc of the sun could be clearly seen as it was rising, and then off to the left, I could see another sun disc, reddish in color.

Then it appeared that the sun was "jumping around" in the sky, appearing in various places, not following its normal course through the sky.

I was telling my parents "Nibiru is here! Nibiru is here!" and my dad and I went to the back porch to watch it. The weather would alternate between this black cloudiness, darker than night, and what we would call regular daytime. And wherever the sun went in the sky, Nibiru was following close by. At one point in the dream, there was an image of what I presume to be Nibiru. It was a very large planet, with a cracked, fissured surface, blue in color, no atmosphere, and about 6-12 moons orbiting it, but not in a straight line, it was a very erratic arrangement, some moons clustered together, some spread apart. I'm imagining that the surface was some how reflective, which is why it appeared as a star, now I don't know why it appeared red if its surface color was blueish.

But the dream displayed the day Nibiru arrived much like the day of YHVH is described in the bible, a unique day unto the Lord, neither day nor night, because in the dream, the conditions would oscillate from what we know as day, to what we would describe as night, though it definitely was not night.

I think the idea of the sun and Nibiru skipping around in the sky was due to Nibiru's gravitational effect on the earth, speeding it up, slowing it down, causing the axis to tilt one way, then the other, in effect making the earth wobble, thus affecting the world's weather system, causing erratic changes in weather, disrupting the wind system, because at the time when the earth went dark, it began to snow, which immediately stopped when it became "day" again.

Everyone in the house seemed to agree that what was in the sky, was indeed Nibiru and not some kind of sun dog. In the dream my grandma thought initially that it was a sun dog, but I said, "no, this is a sun dog" and an image of a sun dog flashed across my vision.

The picture of Nibiru was like a picture taken from space, it was only in black and white, and almost seemed to be a computer rendered image, though somehow I knew it wasn't, but it felt very real.

It must be noted, no one has ever seen a picture of Nibiru before, no one knows what it really looks like, though people like Mark Hazelwood have speculated that it is large, jupiter like body with several moons strewn about it.

Tell me what you think of my dream!

God Bless,

Josh G

Excerpted from Drunvalo Posting Board:

Two Sun Dream

Posted by P B on July 15, 1998

I have had many dreams about the changing sun over the past few years. These dreams usually involve groups of people viewing the changes happening from the earth and big changes coming as a result.

Recently I dreamt that I was in my mother's house when the electricity went out. I looked for my kids to take them home but they were asleep on her couch. It was about 10:00 at night and dark. Then I noticed a strange light coming from outside the house. When I went out to investigate I found that a second sun had come out. It was a strange greenish-yellow in color and created really different colors in the landscape. I felt like a whole new type of energy was emerging.

I realize that there are changes occurring on the sun, as per Drunvalo's recent statements and others, and these dreams I've been having also indicate this to me. I find this similar in some respects to two moon dreams posted recently. However, my sun came out after the regular sun had set and did not appear simultaneously.


Posted by S... on July 20, 1998

In Reply to: Two Sun Dream posted by P B on July 15, 1998

Dear P,

A new greenish, yellow sun? Now that sounds like it will be heart-energy and compassion-fire (heart-center, green level) and regeneration light-waves of bliss!

The soul-being of earth Mother herself?

Shine! Shine! Shine!


S... T...

Posted by B B on July 16, 1998

In Reply to: Two Sun Dream posted by P B on July 15, 1998

As you know several sources predict an emerging second sun, most notably, Sai Baba in a discourse to college boys, April 1985.

Posted by P B on July 17, 1998

In Reply to: Re: Sai Baba & second sun posted by R on July 16, 1998

It is interesting that others are having two sun dreams. Sai Baba, I just remembered that in this same dream with the two suns there was an solar eclipse caused by a planet very close to us. The planet was earth. We could see it sitting next to the sun in the sky, as if they were twins. The earth that was in the sky was the same size as the sun and I could see clouds and continents clearly. I sensed some significance about the two bodies appearing the same size, as if the earth were expanding in its role in our solar system. The perspective, however, is a mystery since it did not seem as if we were in space when viewing this but on earth.


Posted by S M W... on July 19, 1998

In Reply to: Re: Sai Baba & second sun posted by P B on July 17, 1998

On Alex Collier's site is a discussion with Val Valerian and he, and Val brought up the fellow star - now just barely showing at the lower right quadrant...

"Smaller sun... beginning to peak around the lower right quadrant of the sun... being moved... could see at least half of it within a couple of years... two suns shining... would mean a change in genetic structure and social patterns... called "preparation for advanced maturity."

P.. there is your whole new energy!

Posted by C B on July 22, 1998

In Reply to: Re: Alex Collier and Val Valerian discussion of two suns... posted by S M W... on July 19, 1998

So happy to have found this site, and it has been a pleasure to read through so many wonderful comments, from so many others. It truly is a blessing to connect with so many who feel, and live their lives from a viewpoint of love and the endless possibilities, that that energy creates and contains.

When I read the comments about the two sun dream, I wanted to share a meditational experience that I had about 4 years ago, that I have never forgotten.

A group of us, were meditating with the intention of seeing or knowing when a great shift or change was going to take place. I remember I clearly saw a calendar, in front of me, and it was the year 1999, and it was the month of September, and the 9th day was circled in red. In condensed numbers, that creates 9-9-99, the number of endings and transitions.

Then we went into a meditation to see what the earth looked like and where we would be 50 years into the future. I found myself in a beautiful lush area, and the sky was pink and there were two suns, one just below and to the right of the other. The total energy was peaceful and serene, and I knew I was a teacher.

When we all emerged from these meditations, and compared notes, 5 of the group of 15 or so, had the exact date of 9-9-99, and a couple others saw the two suns as well.

So, we will see, won't we. I, along with many others, am envisioning and creating a peaceful and beautiful transition, for us all. Blessings to everyone.

Perhaps related - by Dee Finney

9-22-98 - DREAM - I was working in a place where I lived. I was the manager so I only had to go downstairs to work. I woke up in the dream, but I had a hard time staying awake.

The sun was shining, but something seemed wrong that I couldn't stay awake. I went outside and the sun was just above the horizon. It was just a bright ball in the sky, then it seemed to go backwards in the sky and the stars came back out again. I had never seen the sun do that before. I could see the sun was going to come back up again though. The rays were coming up from behind huge dark clouds. Then, the stars faded, the sun came back up and became a ball of light again.

I went back inside and worried that I wasn't going to be ready on time. I had my blue dress on but it wasn't buttoned.

I heard the working guys arriving ... the maintenance men had arrived for work. I scooted back inside my apartment and darted inside the bathroom to try to button my dress. I got the top button done, but the middle button came off, and then the lower button came off.

So, I had to run back to my bedroom and get a different dress. In my room was an old fashioned looking clock that had a wooden frame around it like an old school clock, but down towards the bottom, it gave a series of odds for horse races. The bottom one said 0380 or something like that. I wondered if David, one of the workers would like to bet on that.

Instead of going to the office where they'd notice I was late, I went outside to see what had to be done. The sun was shining outside and people were trying to park their cars in the proper parking spaces and I noticed I hadn't finished moving all my furniture in yet. Two dressers were still in the gutter of the street by the parking space and were in the way there. So I went to get them.

One of the workers came over and asked me if he could help me. At that point I had just jumped over some rain puddles and had caught a glimpse of some frogs jumping off in the distance towards the west.

The worker told me that his wife had put some furniture on layaway and it was time to go get it. He suggested to me that I had better check my supplies and make sure I had everything I needed too.

He said his wife had been making payments for 7 years and it was time to go get their stuff. I looked over to where the furniture was that I was moving in. I saw what it was I still needed ... a sewing machine.

NOTE: Right after I had this dream, people in Seattle reported that they lost 10 minutes of time around 11:00 a.m. like the sun reversed itself for 10 minutes and then went forward again.

Two Suns over the Faeroe Islands in 1667

By Michael Jensen

There has throughout history been a great number of observations of unexplained phenomena on the Faeroe Islands. Among these was one, all the way back in 1667, that could be classed as a UFO sighting. Two suns were seen in the sky by Samuel Pofelsen, Erlender Andersen and Synneve Joensdatter, together with other inhabitants of Eldevig.

This sighting was recorded by Lucas Jacobsen Debes in the book »Færoæ & færoa reserata«, the oldest surviving collection of works about the Faeroe Islands, first published in 1673. Debes was born and raised in Denmark, but went to the Faeroe Islands in 1651, where he worked as a priest in Thorshavn until his death in 1675. He was therefore familiar with the period's prevailing theological viewpoint, which was that anything inexplicable that cannot be attributed to God must originate from the Devil. This point of view was also vehemently expressed in the report dealing with the observation of the two suns.

Two Suns and Two Rainbows

Posted by C M on Tuesday, February 16th

I was outside running my dog when I witnessed something I had not seen before. As I looked up in the sky, it looked like there were two suns up there. As I looked closer, I realized it was a rainbow. Now this was approximately 5:00 PM, so I was looking west as the sun was about an hour and a half from setting. I noticed there were rainbow arcs on either side of the sun, one to the north and one to the south. As time went on, the white light I thought was another sun moved from the northern arc to the southern arc, then back to the northern arc. I also noticed that after about 20 minutes a small arc appeared directly above the sun. When I left the field after a half an hour, the rainbow arcs were still there. This was a partly cloudy day that was getting increasingly cloudy. The clouds were moving in from the west. I remembered once a show you did about "sun dogs". Is this the phenomenon I just described? Since there was no rain in sight, why did the rainbow arcs appear?

Two Suns Entwined

George W. Bush's progressed Sun is at 5 degrees Virgo this year. So is George Bush Senior's. This means that when George Jr. was born, the Sun was in the same degree as his father's progressed Sun, 13 degrees Cancer. Because of this, their solar purpose is enmeshed for as long as both are alive.



Habitable Planets with Two Suns

Planet Orbiting Two Suns

Natawista (1825-1893) was the daughter of Two Suns, the chief of the Blood (Kainah) tribe of the Blackfeet Confederacy.

Day of Two Suns: U.S. Nuclear Testing and the Pacific Islanders

Book Review - Day of Two Suns: U.S. Nuclear Testing and the Pacific Islanders - by Jane Dibblin

The Marshall Islanders described the "Bravo" hydrogen bomb test conducted on Bikini Atoll on March 1, 1954, as a second sunrise from the west. One of 66 nuclear weapons tests the United States conducted in the Marshall Islands, Bravo seriously contaminated the residents of nearby atolls. After 1958, bomb tests ceased, but the U.S. military still uses Kwajalein Atoll in the central Marshalls as a missile research and testing base. Kwajalein is currently a test site for the Strategic Defense Initiative.

In Day of Two Suns, author Jane Dibblin chronicles the health, social, political, and environmental consequences of the nuclear testing and missile research programs in the Marshall Islands. The author presents Marshallese views gathered through historical interviews conducted by former Peace Corps volunteer Glenn Alcalay and interviews she conducted herself.

The first third of the book focuses on the nuclear testing era (1945- 1958) and its continuing effects. During the 1946 "Crossroads" test series the residents of Bikini were evacuated and exiled from their home atoll. The history of this era is presented through 1985, when the residents of Rongelap, previously contaminated by the Bravo test, finally decided to leave Rongelap island for fear of lingering radiation levels.

Documented health effects have included acute radiation sickness as well as high rates of thyroid neoplasms and hypothyroidism as the most frequent long-term health effect in the highly exposed Rongelap population. The book offers a glimpse of their thoughts on radiation exposure. Many feel their health has been severely damaged by radiation and they live in fear of future illness.

A major emphasis, again presented through native eyes, is the impact *of the U.S. military presence on Marshallese culture and social and political structure. The list is long: the years of exile of the Bikinians and Eniwetokese from their islands; the near-permanent radioactive contamination of islands on the atolls of Rongelap, Bikini, and Eniwetok; the erosion of fishing and navigational skills as the old economy is replaced by a cash economy fueled by U.S. military land-use payments; the infighting which has developed among different factions of Marshallese on how such payments should be distributed; and the crowding of 8-10,000 people on 70-acre Ebeye Island adjacent to the Kwajalein missile range.

This island, one of the most densely populated areas in the world, has high rates of suicide, infant mortality, malnutrition, alcoholism, and infectious disease, including sexually transmitted diseases.

Many Marshallese feel that the United States is less concerned-if concerned at all-about their social and health needs, than about the U.S. military uses of their country. This attitude was clearly reflected in the infamous AEC press statement issued 10 days after the Bravo test: "During the course of a routine atomic test in the Marshall Islands ... individuals were unexpectedly exposed to some radioactivity. There were no burns. All were reported well. After the completion of the atomic test, the natives will be returned to their homes." As the author points out, the AE C knew at the time this statement was read that many Marshallese had suffered burns,  nausea, and vomiting, symptoms of acute radiation sickness, and that the 15 to 17-megaton Bravo test was anything but routine.

The Marshallese have continued to suspect U.S. motives during two decades of negotiations on the type of association the Marshall Islands will have with the United States. The U.S. side brings one non-negotiable demand to such talks: the long-term use of Kwajalein by the U.S. military. The author shows the frustrations and mixed feelings of the Marshallese as their country becomes increasingly dependent on U.S. military payments and their society adopts more aspects of Western culture.

For anyone interested in becoming better informed about the history of U.S. military activities in the Marshall Islands and their impact on the Marshallese, the book is particularly worthwhile. One of the author' s key messages is best expressed by a woman from Ebeye: "Our main hope is that the world will get to know of what has happened here. And when you know, we need your active support. Together we must stop the testing and stop the arms race, and then we will be able to begin looking at all our other problems."


Tom Hamilton is an endocrinologist at Pacific Medical Center in Seattle and clinical assistant professor of medicine at the University of Washington.

The Mythology of Mithras - "sol invictus" - the "unconquered sun"

The Cosmic Mystery of Mithras

Jesus Christ, Sun of God

The Glory of the Olive Tree

The Evolving Consciousness of the Mayan Suns


Antares has 2 suns

Our mighty sun is 1,300,000 times larger than our world. But it's just a dwarf compared with some giant suns. Take Antares, one of the largest yet found. If this immense ball of fire were as close to us as our sun is (93,000,000 miles away), at twelve noon it would fill our entire horizon.

A little to the right of Saggitarius is Scorpius, a large curving constellation that really does resemble a scorpion. If you have trouble finding Scorpius, look for the brightest star you can see in the southern sky. This is Antares, the heart of the scorpion. Antares is an enormous red giant that lies 520 light years from us and is so large that 700 of our Suns would fill it.

Antares means "rival to mars", and looks like Mars, only dimmer.

Mythology says that Orion died after being stung by a Scorpion and the two were turned into constellations. Orion must flee from the Scorpion for all eternity. Scorpius rises in the east while Orion sets in the west.


The Dream Connection

The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B



In historical Cherokee .... legend myths stories, there is placed of record the above .... two suns ....

Tattooed upon the arms of Dragging Canoe in the 1700s .... upon the crests of the lodges and houses of a FAMILY .... was a family of proportion of two suns ...

.... the DOUBLE SUN ....

For what is in two suns but more than MODERN MAN ...... in Suns of time ... UNTIME twain not separated from the each the two .... what world ... a world ... worlds twain the two ....

For when is future already occurred .. and the past is yet to unfold ....

For in the two suns .... a gleam of ray upon the citadel of steps ..... climb the steps of two suns and you will see .... for in a land of people neglected .... comes a story of UNTIME TIME .... a time when MAN and the flying ones talked to each other .....

For oft upon the MILKY WAY .... a shimmer of two suns can be seen at times UNTIME .... a MILK across the sky .... a place a thing a city ... a MIRROR ... a mirror upon this earth ... two suns .....

BEHOLD ..... Amozonia ... and the southeast USA ... one and the same .... MIRROR upon MIRROR ... what reflection gaze upon the future that has already occurred and the past yet to be ..... upon the golden streets of Eldorado .... a canal .. a ocean ... a deep ..... but just a step .... and out .... for when is a GREEN stone placed upon which bowl .... one shall bring nothing .... the other shall OPEN the GATE .... two suns ... important upon the MARK of a FAMILY .... twain Milky Way and here ..... was ... is ... always be .... two suns .... the road of a path of grain of sand upon the sea of Milky Way ..... and a ROSE of the CHEROKEE ... CHEROKEE ROSE .... for red the flower of the MILKY WAY .... and two suns to LIGHT the way ....

Furby TROX